You know what I find ironic?

[Makoeyes987]

Hence my comparison to FFXII.

People said the same thing about hating the look of FFXII, and it being a waste after the likes of FFX. Didn't like the look or design of the main characters either.

And in the end they played it anyways and FFXII ended up being one of the best selling and best reviewed FFs

My point is that no one knows anything about FFXIII and judging it based on the small glimpses we've seen is pretty silly. There is a lot more to this game that's not even conceivably done. And when has any FF fan ever liked the look of every FF game they played? If a fan seriously can't play a game because it's not their favorite character designer, then its not really that big of a loss anyways.

 

[Masamune]

But it works both ways, so I guess you'll be saying the same to people who think FFXIII looks the absolute bomb and is going to rock?

 

[Cthulhu]

Judging a FF game based on screens and a (probably short) demo is like judging the LotR triology based on the first five minutes, i.e. pretty short-sighted, . No, one would have to play the full game to get the full picture, and whilst first impressions are important, I'm confident that FFXIII has already made the proper first impressions, with a new and very detailed style, possibly awesome gameplay, action sequences, etc etc etc.

Ergo, no u.

Also, a FFVII remake will come one day, just not yet. And even then, it'll most likely be a port to a handheld console or a download on one of the console's networks with minor tweaks and additions than a full-on remake.

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's the perfect wording for it. Short sighted.

Automatically dismissing a new Final Fantasy cause it "doesn't look good" is like picking up a novel and closing it after the first two pages because you don't like the font and don't know what's going on yet.

I mean, it's that type of short sightedness that has some FF fans saying "I don't want to play the older 8 bit and 16 bit FFs because they look crappy and old!"

Having an open mind and giving it a shot is preferable than making a snap judgment of dismissal with hardly any information.

I thought FFIX's initial design looked like ass but when I bought it and gave it a shot it turned out to be one of the best ones I remember playing.

 

[Tetsujin]

And even then, it'll most likely be a port to a handheld console or a download on one of the console's networks with minor tweaks and additions than a full-on remake.

To be honest, I think they will make it too but I don't think it'll be a half-assed port or DL title because they know that's not what people want at all.

 

[Makoeyes987]

If an FFVII remake were to be done, it'd be done after FFXIII and FFXIII Versus. They simply have way too much work to do with getting FFXIII off the ground. And way more at stake since the main installments of Final Fantasy are the flag ships of the franchise. It's a heavier and greater responsibility. Remakes and shit are not on the same level.

 

[Masamune]

[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=603.msg24094#msg24094 date=1235772227]I thought FFIX's initial design looked like ass but when I bought it and gave it a shot it turned out to be one of the best ones I remember playing.[/quote]

So why on earth are you judging everyone who dislikes the look of FFXIII if you've done the same? Don't they have a word for that?

 

[Makoeyes987]

I learned from it, and if you read the rest, I put that judgment aside because I knew it was erroneous and stupid

If I played it and liked it, that means I let go of that prejudicial thought and embraced liking it.

"Never judge a book by its cover?"

I mean the saying works well for this. You don't just make a snap judgment and go with it.

 

[Channy]

Really the points I was trying to make weren't about how shit XIII looks but with how long they're taking on making it, and yet they've given the public very little to look forward to so far. A couple screens, two different trailers. We don't have voices yet, we don't have a goo grasp on the battle system, heck.. People are still doubting the lead's name an whether or not she's the real lead.

I'm all for the XIII project but imo they've taken way too long on it and they haven't released very much eyecandy to us to keep us wanting more. Seriously, when was it first revealed to us? 3 years ago or something?

I picked up XII just because... it was FF. But it bored the shits out of me. After getting to the Tomb of Raithwal or something, I lost interest.

Also, I think that if they do remake it, I agree that it should be the last installment project of VII. Whether there's a Genesis Sequel or EC or whatever other stuff, a remake would complete it I think.

An Mako what's got your panties all up in a knot over them remaking it just because it has a high fanbase? They've remade all over FF's for ports and such, why not VII?

 

[Masamune]

Then perhaps you should let people make that mistake for themselves instead of judging them.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

To be fair, first impressions from looking at a game are valid to a degree, because I don't want to have to PURCHASE the game to know if I don't like it. I've avoided buying many games I didn't like the 'look' of, and while I'm sure I may have missed out on good titles, well, that's life!

If I gave every game I didn't like the look of 'a chance', I'd be fucking broke and have no time. Sometimes you just gotta go with you gut and say 'I don't like the look of this game at all, I'm not buying it.'

 

[Makoeyes987]

An Mako what's got your panties all up in a knot over them remaking it just because it has a high fanbase? They've remade all over FF's for ports and such, why not VII?

LOL, I want FFVII remade as much as any FFVII fan. But I want them to focus on what's more important first. FFXIII. I'd rather play FFXIII than FFVII to be honest. Once they do, then I'm all for them making FFVII again. It'd be awesome.

Then perhaps you should let people make that mistake for themselves instead of judging them.

LOL its not like I'm stopping them. And it's not a judgment on them, it's just on the action. Most people agree that judging a book by its cover, and jumping to shortsighted conclusions isn't exactly wise.

If I gave every game I didn't like the look of 'a chance', I'd be fucking broke and have no time. Sometimes you just gotta go with you gut and say 'I don't like the look of this game at all, I'm not buying it.'

I take it renting or borrowing video games from friends is something can't do...?

I never would've given Left 4 Dead a glance had I not tried my friend's copy and played it with him. I didn't have to buy it first. I borrowed it. No one says you have to buy it first to know its good.

 

[Tetsujin]

If I gave every game I didn't like the look of 'a chance', I'd be fucking broke and have no time. Sometimes you just gotta go with you gut and say 'I don't like the look of this game at all, I'm not buying it.'

That, or you try out demos.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I take it renting or borrowing video games from friends is something can't do...?

I never would've given Left 4 Dead a glance had I not tried my friend's copy and played it with him. I didn't have to buy it first. I borrowed it. No one says you have to buy it first to know its good.

Yeah, I definitely take that option when it's given to me. Sometimes though, for one reason or another, it isn't, and that's when I have to refer to the above.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well no one's ever going to be able to play every game they ever see, but with the ways of being able to try out games cheaply and even free (that is if you have a good circle of friends who play games) you really don't have to just rely on such snap judgments.

I mean, if one of my favorite franchises is coming out with something new, I give it a shot. I either rent it, borrow it, or buy it. I don't turn my nose up at it because I don't like one superficial element or don't like what precursory information I'm given. You miss out on a lot in gaming and hell...even life like that.

 

[Masamune]

I don't know if you missed (or ignored) my other point, Mako, but why don't you make a point about people who say said game/movie will be awesome based on no first-hand experience? Isn't that equally as folly, or is this just another case of 'don't be hatin' on Square'?

 

[Ⓐaron]

I don't really have particularly high expectations for FFXIII mostly because I don't have much evidence that Nomura is capable of creating games I find particularly interesting. Most of my favourite titles in the series were ones in which he didn't have a particularly large role in, so it's pretty safe to extrapolate from his large role in this one that I won't like it as much. If I were judging solely based on the screenshots and small amount of information provided, then yeah, I'd be prejudging based on inadequate information, but judging based on one's enjoyment of previous works of the creators isn't really the same thing.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well my point acknowledgment to that was,

"Having an open mind and giving something a shot is preferable than making a snap judgment of dismissal with hardly any information."

You miss out on a lot more, instantly closing off your mind, than having it open and potentially enjoying what you try. Quickly dismissing something because it doesn't fit into your exact view of what you like, leaves no room for growth or potentially enjoying something outside your comfort shell.

I could've just as easily stuck with playing FF games that only came after FFVII, but I went outside of my usual shell when I was younger and thought, "I should give these older FF's a shot because while they don't look as good as FFVII and FFVIII, there's probably something good about them since everyone else seems to think so. I should see what they're about to."

@V

Yes, you're right. Your judgment based on previous experience of you enjoying other FFs that Nomura hasn't had that much of a role in, isn't really a prejudgment at all. However, I take it you did enjoy FFVII to a degree didn't you?

I remember you saying you don't have much interest in console gaming at the moment but again, if you always rigidly stick to the "don't play games that Nomura did character designs for" heuristic, then its possible that you may miss out on the anomaly that you do enjoy.

 

[Masamune]

But on the other hand Mako, it also leads to be one being pleasantly surprised when they do play said game - as you can testify with FFIX. Whereas continually hyping up something can cause you to come down to earth with a tremendous bump.

I haven't been impressed at all with Nomura's work on FFXIII so far. I think his characters look very generic and derivative, as well as the world. Most of the FFs had very unique settings, whereas FFXIII just looks like sci-fi anime. However, if the gameplay is a revelation I might be able to overlook some of that.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well I think that's just a personality trait. Some people are easily excitable and happy eagerly awaiting things, and others prefer to stay cool and just stay calm with a "wait and see" attitude. But differences aside, it's usually better to give something a shot than let your snap judgments influence your decision and choice.

And honestly, I wasn't really impressed with FFIX's initial artwork and design either. I found the typical fantasy setting and medieval look generic and derivative of typical fantasy rpgs. I thought the characters looked silly and I thought I'd be unable to take any of them seriously.

But then something magical happened. I actually GOT INTO the story and all those negative snap judgments I made at the get go literally dissolved and I appreciated how they looked in their own unique way and found the fantasy setting rather enjoyable.

That probably won't happen with you, but it just goes to show that just because you have one opinion going in, doesn't mean it'll stay the same. Things can happen where you may end up liking it despite your reluctance to.

 

[Masamune]

I actually thought the same about FFIX, but it turned out to be one of my favourites.

Still, I think people are entitled to their opinion, and if they do or don't like the look of something that's down to them. You can't change someone's first impressions.

That probably won't happen with you, but it just goes to show that just because you have one opinion going in, doesn't mean it'll stay the same. Things can happen where you may end up liking it despite your reluctance to.

That's a bit harsh. Surely you should let me take a shot before you start prejudging me?

 

[Cthulhu]

[quote author=Tetsujin link=topic=603.msg24102#msg24102 date=1235772807]

And even then, it'll most likely be a port to a handheld console or a download on one of the console's networks with minor tweaks and additions than a full-on remake.

To be honest, I think they will make it too but I don't think it'll be a half-assed port or DL title because they know that's not what people want at all.
[/quote]

Perhaps, but did the people want FFI, II, III, IV, V and VI to be ported to (and I'm probably not entirely correct here) both the PS1 and GBA? Those were (and this is only factual for 1, 2 and 6 btw) all ported one to one, with just a few additions.

True, with the Compilation Square has raised the bar an enormous amount for themselves, which makes it far less likely they'll just go cheap and do a port with some minor extra's, but still.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well everyone's entitled to their opinion. I understand that. I mean, I know not everyone's going to like FFXIII, or FFVII, or the like. And I certainly don't look down on them, but it's always good for someone to be a hater when they've actually experienced what they hate.

And while you can't change first impressions, you shouldn't always let first impressions dictate how you feel or choose. It reminds me of that Full Metal Alchemist episode where Ed talks to those two Ishvalan children about prejudice and how his first experience with an Ishvalan was Scar trying to kill him and he was freaked out by his red eyes. That was *his* first impression with an Ishvalan and he could've let it dictate how he'd see other Ishvalan but sometimes you gotta get around those first impressions in order to fully get the big picture.

That's a bit harsh. Surely you should let me take a shot before you start prejudging me?

That was for that clever remark of "That's something....at least." in the other thread XDDD

 

[Masamune]

And while you can't change first impressions, you shouldn't always let first impressions dictate how you feel or choose. It reminds me of that Full Metal Alchemist episode where Ed talks to those two Ishvalan children about prejudice and how his first experience with an Ishvalan was Scar trying to kill him and he was freaked out by his red eyes. That was *his* first impression with an Ishvalan and he could've let it dictate how he'd see other Ishvalan but sometimes you gotta get around those first impressions in order to fully get the big picture.

Random FMA reference of the weeeeeeek.

 

[Max Payne]

Stop reminding how shitty the FMA anime is faggots.