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Best posts I have ever seen about Squall/Cloud. Ever. :awesome: I love you guys. I voted for Squall/Cloud, by the way, because I ship them for their hotness, not their personalities. :wackymonster: It's what yaoi is all about, baby. Pure homosexual hotness. :desu:

Danseru, did you ever get it fixed? I'm really interested in seeing your opinions of the story and the characters after the ending. :sadpanda:

Look out, guys, apparently we can't describe Barret, Cloud, and Tifa as friends now. :monster: Calling three of them friends must mean we are lying, dishonest debaters! Since we're all Clotis, we should all say 'Barret and lovers' or 'Barret and two people' or 'complete strangers'. Because...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :reptar:

Someone needs to learn what Fact means. :monster: Because if you look at my Facts post, you can see that none of them have an ounce of interpretation in them. They are exactly what they are. It's exactly what is shown to us. I'm not even going to address your points because most of them are...

:O NOW I FEEL BAD FOR BEING AGGRESSIVE. I'M SORRY TOO. :hugesadpanda:

AGAIN. This has nothing to do with BB being Clerith. People can ship whatever they want, we don't care. Maidenofwar ships Clerith and you don't see us calling her dishonest. And you know why? Because she isn't. She doesn't make circular arguments or bomb on other ships. She doesn't debate with...

Cloud can love two women, hello. So it's okay for BB to downplay Cloti because he's a Clerith, but we can't downplay Clerith because we're Clotis? Okay. That's not hypocritical at all. :monster: Also, I read you the first time. Yes, you are not a Clerith, but that doesn't mean you don't...

Did you really even read BB's arguments? They are all anti-Cloti. I don't even care if BB goes pro-Clerith on all of us, the issue is the anti-Cloti and the fact that you are turning the other way about it even though you said you don't like seeing people's ships get shot down. Which is it...

Then I find it completely strange that you are defending BB's way of debating. BB downplays Cloti through and through (just read the arguments), and yet this seems to be alright to you. Apparently it's wrong to even believe that Cloud and Tifa are in a relationship because of numerous shallow...

What was the relationship change exactly? That he felt guilty about her death? That it went from 'bodyguard' to 'feels guilt for'? Last I recall, which you also repeatedly say, one chart is about FFVII, and the other is about AC. So he obviously don't have any guilt for Aerith in the FFVII...

But it should be of a higher standard because there are TWO love triangles. Therefore the FTOIL page is largely irrelevant. :awesome: Just like, you know, how every other evidence is irrelevant to you versus the relationship charts and a picture of a date with a non-romantic caption...

There's also a love triangle in FFVIII, btw. Actually two. Squall/Rinoa and Squall/Quistis, and Squall/Rinoa and Seifer/Rinoa. Should the standards be different there too? I mean, hey, two love triangles. The standards for Squall/Rinoa should be higher if we go by BB logic. :monster: I'm...

None of us are excluding Barret. What are you even talking about? :monster: Even if Barret were living and part of the Seventh Heaven family with Cloud, Tifa, and the kids, how does this exactly disprove Cloti? What does Barret being in the Seventh Heaven family disprove about Cloud and Tifa's...

I wanna make it clear too, in case I'm labelled a 'mean Cloti', that I am, first and foremost, a Clack. :monster: I am a 'mean Clack'. I look down on all you Clotis and Cleriths and I will never get tired of saying that. :awesome: The Blue Side will forever be superior. I ship Cloti and Clerith...

Gosh, I love this thread! :reptar: This kind of argument only ever seems cut and dry to Cleriths and anti-Clotis who are desperate to look for some kind of work around so they won't have to accept the fact that Cloud and Tifa are shown and captioned ALONGSIDE the other canon romantic couples of...

I know it's late (I don't check outside the ever amusing LTD thread anymore) but is there any way to get this fic rec now? Pleeeeaaaase? :puppy: THANKS SO MUCH! :reptar:

I also believe Clerith is a valid interpretation. Because that's what it is, interpretation. But you are debating as if it's not only "interpretation". You are debating as if it's the only one that can be canon. You are also not debating why you do not believe Cloti is canon. All you are...

Oh, we're a lot. :monster: I'm mostly just here because you have stomped on Zack a lot through the course of this discussion and I want to stir things up a bit. Also because I am extremely bored. I'll probably stop posting again tonight once other people have stopped hogging my Xbox. :awesome...