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Considering I have numerous people responding to me at once, it may take several days before I am able to respond. Hopefully I'll be able to respond by the end of the week :)

Where does it say Cloud's friends and family are his Promised Land? When reading the passage, it specifically says the *PLACE* where Cloud awakens is his Promised Land. His friends and family aren't a "place". You may want Cloud's friends and family to be his Promised Land, but that's not what...

What we are specifically talking about is this quote: Inside, I felt one thing was for sure: Cloud and Tifa would be together. Everybody would be living back home where they belonged. Nojima is talking about how everyone will be living at home where they belong, and that Cloud and Tifa would...

Just saw Sprites response...I will be posting a very thorough response (hopefully) later this evening. It's hard when so many people are responding to me at once, but I will try to make it work!

But the *official* English translation has Cloud excluding Tifa *twice*. Tifa may invite herself, but that says nothing about how Cloud feels regarding Tifa's proposed involvement. All we know is what Cloud says directly, and he never includes Tifa in his desire to re-unite with Aerith. As I...

When Cloud comes to the realization that he can find Aerith in the Promised Land, he doesn't say, "I think *WE* can find her" -- he says, "I think *I* can find her". If Cloud wanted Tifa to go, he wouldn't have phrased it the way he did. Now, of course Tifa wants to join Cloud in his quest...

Your logic works both ways -- Cloud's lack of acknowledgement doesn't mean he agrees or disagrees with Tifa going to the Promised Land with him. You are assuming Cloud's lack of acknowledgement means he is fine with Tifa going, but it could just as easily mean he disagrees with Tifa going. Cloud...

The lack of Cloud's other clothes are irrelevant. How many times do we see Cloud change outfits? Bottom line: Cloud has a place to sleep in his own room. The lack of anything else is irrelevant. We assume Marlene sleeps in the bed found in her room, right? So why wouldn't we assume Cloud sleeps...

You call *THAT* a honeymoon stage? Where is the physical infatuation? A kiss? A hug? An "I love you"? You are providing evidence that is debatable, not definitive. ...but I never see evidence of a relationship working on a romantic, boyfriend/girlfriend level...I only see evidence of a...

I always hear Cloti's say Cloud and Tifa's relationship is *REALISTIC* because it shows that couples go through problems. However, what I find equally *UNREALISTIC* is the lack of a honeymoon stage. In other words, as much as Cloti's say problems are a sign of a realistic relationship, I'd argue...

I find it annoying when one of my sentences is removed from its context in order to post a mocking/condescending gif, especially when the author knows damn well that's not what I meant. And even if the author didn't know what I meant, he could have asked for clarification instead of posting an...

ROFL. I can't believe people are actually taking my one line out of context and trying to say I said Cloud and Tifa became boyfriend/girlfriend. Have you not been reading the last few pages of this thread? Did you not read the very next sentence of my post? Disgusting that people would take...

Wow. Are people really going to continue to ignore the sentence that directly follows what I said? "I guess the reason I harp on this so much is because it seems many Cloti's think their pairing is more canon than Clerith because Cloud and Tifa became boyfriend/girlfriend. The typical evidence...

In both the HA and LA Highwind scene this conversation takes place between Cloud and Tifa: (Cloud stands.) Cloud "We'd better go." (She turns to him and makes a pleading gesture.) Tifa "But, I still...!?" (He turns to face her, shaking his head.) Cloud "It's all right, Tifa. You said so...

I forget, but do we ever see Denzel and Marlene sleeping in their beds? Don't we assume they sleep in their beds because the beds are found in their room? You are missing the point. I don't expect Cloud and Tifa to be doing coupley things 100% of the time. But what's even *ONE* example of...

Right. This is a love triangle. SE has given evidence to support both pairings. The reason other main FF couples have been given a romantic description on at least one occasion is because they do not have an un-solved love triangle. The FFVII love triangle is also the reason why Cloud is the...

This is what I originally said, "I honestly don't know this, but after FFVII ends, don't all the characters (for the most part) return to where they are from or where we were introduced to them?" Notice how I say two things: they return to where they are from or where we were introduced to...

So because Cloud's hometown was destroyed, Cloud had an equal chance of returning to anywhere in the world? Cloud ended up in Midgar after leaving Nibleheim at the beginning of FFVII. To me, it seems logical Cloud would return to the place he ended up at during the beginning of the game...

What are you talking about? Tres quoted this line from a previous post of mine: To which he responded: I simply said that it's true -- Tifa did not give birth to these children. If Tifa had gotten pregnant by Cloud twice and given birth to two children, or if Cloud and Tifa had gone to an...

All other main FF couples have a definitive romantic moment, or are described romantically on at least one occasion in one of SE's relationship charts. The same can't be said for Cloud and Tifa. SE has been purposely vague when it comes to Cloud and Tifa because they understand FFVII has a...