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  1. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    Maybe Jenova went to a cemetery and looked at pictures of the dead ...? :| Goddammit. To explain my distaste ... I like the idea that when Cloud was catatonic, he was a sponge. He absorbed words and experiences. He absorbed a lot of Zack because of Zack's presence and Zack's stories. As a...
  2. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    The "problem" to me isn't Cloud's behavior or what-not. I just think the implication that Jenova cells can "read" memories basically pushes for a very literal reading of Cloud's character arc as the most canonically "accurate" one.
  3. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    This might be one of those moments where I just cheerfully ignore it, since it's out of game and technically not canon. (Just ... as close to canon as you can get without it being canon.) I do not know if this was ever actually subject to debate or if it was just so obvious that it was never...
  4. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    Ahh, what bull. (Not your translation. Thanks for the sources!) Mostly speaking re: the last quote ... I don't see the point of resorting to some artificial imprinting of Tifa's memories onto Cloud when you can explain everything Cloud in the game without it (including the mysterious voices...
  5. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    Could you source me on that? I don't see how "aloof, aggressive and uncooperative" can't be explained exclusively by "his own ideal version of himself, Zack's stories and traits, the real Cloud, and, later on, just a little bit of Sephiroth's influence." You can even extend Sephiroth's...
  6. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    Perhaps I wasn't clear enough: I don't think young kids would give a shit about whether or not Cloud was responsible for Tifa's accident. The most that would happen is, IMO, "Hey, son, don't talk to Cloud. He was responsible for Tifa's accident." And the kids would shun him, but Cloud was...
  7. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    It was after Tifa's accident. I get the impression that even if Tifa's dad didn't blame him, he would've considered it his own fault anyways. After the accident, he gets torn up by the idea that he's too "weak" and thinks that Tifa blames him for being a weakling. He picks fights to try to...
  8. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    I kinda get the impression that he lost more than his fair share, simply because his self-esteem is so wrecked in CC. That could admittedly be attributed mostly to his failure to join SOLDIER, but I like to think of it as something on-going. Also keep in mind that while Cloud certainly has some...
  9. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    I've seen people just assume/accept that Cloud was bullied in Nibelheim. While I agree that the game baits people to interpret his backstory that way, another look at the canon heavily implies that he instigated a lot of the fights. In fact, if you dig a bit deeper into the canon-not-canon early...
  10. Skan

    What Plot Lines or Characters Do You Think Are Ignored/Overlooked/Wasted In The Compilation?

    I actually think fandom has a pretty good grasp on Sephiroth's backstory for all that we're told almost nothing about it. I mean, his dad's Hojo. There really are only a few possibilities for how his childhood went.
  11. Skan

    What Plot Lines or Characters Do You Think Are Ignored/Overlooked/Wasted In The Compilation?

    We'll have to disagree then. I think it's totally IC for Hojo to take someone else's son (esp. his opponent's) and to twist that kid into his own in a way that's completely irrecoverable. Well, you're talking to someone who thinks there isn't all that much worldbuilding in the OG to begin with. :P
  12. Skan

    What Plot Lines or Characters Do You Think Are Ignored/Overlooked/Wasted In The Compilation?

    Well, as long as I'm bitching: I kind of wish AVALANCHE 1.0 wasn't headed by an Evil Scientist. I also wish the Turks weren't so incompetent (I can see why they were at risk of being completely cut from the company). Is it considered canon these days that Hojo is actually Sephiroth's dad...
  13. Skan

    What Plot Lines or Characters Do You Think Are Ignored/Overlooked/Wasted In The Compilation?

    I loathe how Cloud regained his identity in the OG, and I loathe how lightly the game treated his "recovery" after Mideel (which is to say, it really didn't). I can understand why they presented it the way they did -- the video game medium really restricts what scenes are possible -- but to me...
  14. Skan

    What Plot Lines or Characters Do You Think Are Ignored/Overlooked/Wasted In The Compilation?

    ... really? I feel that was one of the few things they got right in CC. I mean, I like Zack and Cloud just about as much as the next guy, but goddamn, it would've been really boring to play. To me, it's something that seems far more suited to fic than to action/adventure gameplay. Maybe if CC...
  15. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    Re: Cloud & Zack We can argue this all day, but let's remember that the game also tried to convince us that Angeal, Genesis, and Sephiroth were ~best friends~ as well. :P I admit though that I haven't seen all of Cloud's DMWs though and the only ones uploaded onto Youtube the last I checked...
  16. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    Suggestion shamelessly ganked from FF Wiki: Chekhov, Gorky, and Stanislavski are all creative writers, and all were born in the 1860s. If you accept that Shake = Shakespeare, and Godo is a reference to "Waiting for Godot," then it's pretty much all some sort of literary allusion, though I don't...
  17. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    Kisaragi's definitely Japanese. I think it's the only Japanese name though? Everything else scans most readily as Chinese to me. Aside from Da Chao, Wutai also sounds Chinese, and there're some Wutai soldier types that're romanized as Bing, Ding, Geng, Ji, Jia, Wu, Xin, and Yi. If I'm not...
  18. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    One of the main points of the game is that ShinRa basically wipes out identity and variation. While I'm sure regional dialects existed at one point, actually having the characters speak another language when they're not from Wutai makes me raise an eyebrow. I don't deny that there may be...
  19. Skan

    Fanon Stereotypes! or How We Learned to Continue Worrying and Rant a Bunch

    Three others that came to me: 1. Genesis's parents are physically and verbally abusive. I get it, people're trying to make him more sympathetic in childhood, but there are so many more interesting ways to get him from "good boy" to "raging sociopath" that involve delicious, tasty things like...
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