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Some people also don't pick up on Cloud having any feelings for Tifa, or Aerith having any feelings for Zack, or whatever. There are plenty of people who feel very very strongly that the game actually is saying Cloud is always in love with Aerith and never loves anyone else. I don't agree with...

While I've more or less come around to Crisis Core, I was in the same boat, although not for Clerith/Zerith reasons. I think it's a problem with a lot of prequel storytelling, that they naturally tend to eliminate the mystique of backstory in the original work via explanation. Zack in the OG was...

Snapshot, for the curious. And the zetaboard version. Some of it is still searchable through the Wayback Machine.

Maybe not love--I actually think Rebirth shies away from having even Aerith call it love on her part--but I believe he thinks romantically of her. I think, if you cut Tifa out of the remake games entirely, no one would fail to believe that Aerith was the love interest. You would look at the...

I would rather talk with a CA who is interested in having a respectful conversation than someone I agree with who is rude about it. At least the former has substance.

Oh Oh I actually 100% agree with you. I think the way the OG is structured is interesting for replaying and pulling back layers of double meaning, but in terms of framing the romance, it's not surprising at all Aerith fans would not let go of Aerith. I didn't, at the time. But, by that same...

Of course they didn't. It's also impossible that anyone started with Disk 2. It's a thought exercise to demonstrate the framing of the love story, and detach the player from their own expectations. For example, you could play FFXV after Luna dies and understand that she's still the love...

Generally, the debate has been that it's not, just from different sides. From my perspective, I hold that if you stop playing the game at Disk 1, you would think it's Aerith. But if you start playing the game at Disk 2, you would just think it's Tifa. Aerith has no presence as a romantic...

Oh absolutely. Zack as a viable option was CC. Before he barely even factored into CT arguments the way he does now.

As someone who was around the fandom from the mid 2000s in fansites and LJ (and a bit of GameFAQs), I would say the tide started shifting a bit earlier, with Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts 2. You saw a huge influx of fans who never played the original but were interested in these characters...

Yeah, I feel like if they were going to go for CA, they would have taken the time by now to downplay the "rivals" more. Don't have Aerith say still loves Zack (while being unable to say she loves Cloud). Don't have Cloud say in the GS date he reciprocates Tifa's feelings and kiss her (while not...

I say watch out for them talking about Aerith the way they did Zack in Rebirth, with stuff like "Aerith is very important in this game", "Aerith is at the heart of the story", "Aerith's role is very special, we hope fans will understand our heartfelt sincerity in telling her story", that sort of...

Agreed, and it's also some of the foundation for what makes the LTD so fraught to begin with. Disk 1 convinces you Aerith is the love interest and it very much wants you to care a lot about her so that you are devastated when she dies. So the transition to Tifa wasn't going to work for all the...

No, no I do get that. I'm just defending the play's intention. I agree with you there's nothing particularly Romeo & Juliet about it. If nothing else, FFXV is absolutely going for the tragic star-crossed lovers angle and it ends with them actually being reunited in death, not smiling at your two...

My Romeo and Juliet defense sleeper agent status has activated. Romeo and Juliet isn't a comedy in the Shakespearean sense, because it ends with death. It's structured like one for the first half of the play, but then the old grudges come to boil, characters start dying, and our young lovers...