After the Secret Ending...

X-SOLDIER said:

What rather amazes me is all of the Midgar-centric, potentially WORLD ENDING disasters he's essentially slept through: Zirconiade, Meteofall, Sephiroth's return, and Omega WEAPON.

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I think that was more due to circunstances.

Zicorniade was defeated by the Turks before it could do some serious damage.

As for Meteor, the Weapons were on the loose and Holy was activated (even though Sephiroth was holding it back with his Will), so no need for Genesis either.

As for Geostigma and the Negative Lifestream, maybe the corruption process was so subtle that the Planet couldn't properly sense that it was in danger.

Or Sephiroth's Will was so overwhelming that the Planet itself couldn't make its cries reach Genesis, the same way Aerith couldn't use Great Gospel until Sephiroth was defeated. His Will was blocking the Planet's cries the same way it was limiting Aerith.

As for Omega Weapon, it was a part of the natural cycle of the Planet's life, so it wouldn't see it as threat, but as a natural event to occur, even though this was an impure Omega.

Good points.

What if, with the Planet having gone to such great lengths to defend itself from Meteofall, combined with the tainted Lifestream, and the fact that now all (assumedly) of the WEAPONS have been destroyed, as well as it's ability to naturally move on, the Planet is now in a state where it is completely unable to defend itself, leaving Genesis as it's only defense. Then the Planet awoke him, similiarly to how it awoke the WEAPONS when it needed them.

The only thing that I wonder is if Genesis is just needed to put everything back in its place by getting rid of everything there already, or if he'd actually be defending against something coming together, or something new entirely?


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That's an interesting thought. My first reaction is "why would the Planet give a shit about Genesis." But given the look Minerva gives him at the end of Crisis Core...that's not entirely unreasonable.

That could give Genesis a Weapon-like quality, friend of the Planet, enemy to humanity.

I always assumed that Genesis was merely the new reinvention of Jenova.
He is seen rising from the grave essentially and was a biproduct of the jenova product meaning although he is a mediocre copy he is still infused with the essence of Jenova.
If the J-cells can turn Kadaj into a reincarnated version of Sephiroth is it really that hard to comprehend the same cannot be done with Genesis?

If Geostigma is the infection of the lifestream from the cells of Jenova then essentially it stands to believe that if one cell of Jenova survives she has the ability to live on through her offspring (Sephiroth, Angeal, Genesis, Kadaj, Loz, Yazoo etc etc etc)

Castiel said:

I always assumed that Genesis was merely the new reinvention of Jenova.
He is seen rising from the grave essentially and was a biproduct of the jenova product meaning although he is a mediocre copy he is still infused with the essence of Jenova.
If the J-cells can turn Kadaj into a reincarnated version of Sephiroth is it really that hard to comprehend the same cannot be done with Genesis?

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Kadaj was a piece of Sephiroth's own soul, though, so that's a very different scenario. With JENOVA cells being his body, Kadaj bonding with the cells was like putting Sephiroth's ghost back into his body.


Full agreement with everybody who thinks that Genesis is like a new WEAPON, by the way. Though I wonder what the planet would be awakening him for.

Maybe Omega's departure being interrupted would be interpreted as a bad thing by the planet?

This might be a bit of a stretch, but what if Genesis wasn't awaken by the Planet?

Maybe it was something inside Weiss that cause Genesis to awake.

If I recall correctly, there was some kind of energy that flew from Weiss's body directly into Genesis, right before his seal was broken.

That doesn't discount the theory, Weiss was Omega just a ittle while ago. The fact that the Planet lost Omega may have been what set Genesis. Wonder if that means he will indeed go after Cloud & Co, Jade WEAPON didn't much more then "these guys ae strong" to be set off.

Something that's always interested me are how Genesis and Sephiroth are seemingly two sides of the same coin for Jenova's capabilities:

Jenova's Head: slitted pupils, white hair, glowing left eye.


Genesis' Head: Normal pupils, normal hair, glowing left eye.


Sephiroth's Head: White hair, slitted pupils.



Jenova's Body: small right wing, large left wing.


Genesis' Body: Large left wing.


Sephiroth's Body: Smaller right wing.




Now, this gets especially interesting when one of the Genesis Copies absorbs Zack's S-Cells on the Highway. The copy undergoes a incredibly intense transformation that mutates him into a state that's unlike the previous experiments, but still contains features of Jenova-like lifeform:


• Lifestream, dark (possibly tainted) lifestream, and orange bubbles spawn from the host. (The orange may be similiar to the red lifestream currents that burst from Sephiroth at the end of FFVII).


• The reaction contains itself within the host.


• The reaction releases explosively, pouring out.


• The host grows three spider-like arms on either side, and mandibles. All unnatural limbs are now orange, blue, and grey - the colors of Jenova's natural state.


• The host also gains two wing-like structures ending in hands, and a dorsal wing, and feather-like scales are present on the host's entire visible body.




That being stated, the fact that Genesis has G-Cells, and unlike Kadaj/Yazoo/Loz, they're not S-Cells, I don't think that they'd have a similiar effect in re-creating Sephiroth, because they seem to react incredibly differently. In fact, I think that Genesis may actually be the key to the puzzle of the Planet ridding itself of Jenova IF he can successfully absorb S cells without them completely overtaking his biology, or driving him mad, like it seems to do with the G Eliminator. This may be a result of the fact that the Genesis Copy was still suffering from the effects of degredation.

Unlike anything else so far, Genesis is successfully saved directly by the Planet itself, and seems to represent the ONLY time that the Planet has ever successfully dealt with the adverse effects of Jenova cells in a Gaia cell. When the Planet was attempting to purge the effects of Jenova and the tainted Lifestream in AC, it created Geostigma, by overcompensating for the effects, and was eventually only cured by Aerith. It's likely that it managed to stop Genesis' degredation in what seems to be the same way. That may be a difference between S and G Cells.

With Genesis as the only remaining individual with G Cells, this could mean that Genesis is capable of absorbing this tainted/alien material now, and have the planet successfully combat the negative reactions from the Jenova cells. While the S Cells would likely cause him to undergo a rather drastic transformation, it's likely that the Planet would still be able to combat it within his body. If this is the case, the Planet could use Genesis as a WEAPON and have him absorb all of the remaining Jenova biomatter, and tained lifestream, the Planet may be able to purge the 2000 year old infection completely - though it may result in his death (a poetic enough hero's demise would suit Genesis though).


The main thing that I don't have any ideas about, is what he takes Weiss with him for (a being infused with pure lifestream), unless he's using him (or his biology) to assist in staving off the negative effects of absorbing all the tainted/alien material.



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When the Planet was attempting to purge the effects of Jenova and the tainted Lifestream in AC, it created Geostigma, by overcompensating for the effects, and was eventually only cured by Aerith

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I'm not sure on the original translation but I think Vincent just compared the current flowing through ones body to the Lifestream, it not actually being the Lifestream and the Planet itself.

Aso Weiss and Shelke have G-cells too, hence the "brothers" thing.

I say we'll have a Jenova-Sephiroth-Genesis final boss, then. (if the game happens, that is).

I just don't know what to think.

Genesis and Cloud will Fusion Dance into Jenova.

X-SOLDIER said:

Unlike anything else so far, Genesis is successfully saved directly by the Planet itself, and seems to represent the ONLY time that the Planet has ever successfully dealt with the adverse effects of Jenova cells in a Gaia cell. When the Planet was attempting to purge the effects of Jenova and the tainted Lifestream in AC, it created Geostigma, by overcompensating for the effects, and was eventually only cured by Aerith.

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Sephiroth created Geostigma. The planet had nothing to do with it. It's a hyper-immune system response by the human body. The planet doesn't have anything to do with how the body is trying to rid itself of a foreign, malignant infection.

The death of someone from Geostigma is what creates negative spirit energy, because apparently it locks them into a grudge-like state which allows Sephiroth to control them, and thus they're his.

The planet never really tried to rid itself of Negative Lifestream, until Aerith.

Genesis could never absorb or take in Jenova cells because it would increase the rate of his degradation as demonstrated by the G-Copy. What he thought was the answer, was actually the worst possible solution. What ended up fixing him, was the Lifestream itself.

The Gift of the Goddess.

I see no point in having brought Rufus back to life unless they're going to let him strut his stuff as the manipulative, self-serving, Turk-wielding, morally ambiguous, probable villain that he is. Or maybe he's secretly the good guy. We never actually found out what he was going to do with Jenova's head; probably he was going to try to make a cure for Geostigma, but do you think he was going to give his wonder drug away? I think not. Hold the world to ransom, more like. And I don't care how many fangirls kawaii Reno has with his perfect cheekbones; I want the seedy, dangerous Reno back, the one who dropped the plate on Sector Seven and didn't give a shit. Also I would like a minigame flying helicopters. And I would like Cloud to be confused about what's the right thing to do for a considerable portion of the game, and getting it wrong more often than not. And lots of chocobos. And new rides at Gold Saucer. And a new LTD with Tifa in the centre and Cloud in danger of losing her to some heroic type who knows how to treat such a fine woman... Maybe they could resurrect Kunsel?

I agree about Genesis being the new WEAPON. That would work. Especially if they blew his head off with an enormous cannon.

ShikamaruNara said:

I'm not sure on the original translation but I think Vincent just compared the current flowing through ones body to the Lifestream, it not actually being the Lifestream and the Planet itself.

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Noob Saibot said:

Sephiroth created Geostigma. The Planet had nothing to do with it. It's a hyper-immune system response by the human body. The planet doesn't have anything to do with how the body is trying to rid itself of a foreign, malignant infection.

The death of someone from Geostigma is what creates negative spirit energy, because apparently it locks them into a grudge-like state which allows Sephiroth to control them, and thus they're his.

The planet never really tried to rid itself of Negative Lifestream, until Aerith.

Genesis could never absorb or take in Jenova cells because it would increase the rate of his degradation as demonstrated by the G-Copy. What he thought was the answer, was actually the worst possible solution. What ended up fixing him, was the Lifestream itself.

The Gift of the Goddess.

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I was more referring to the fact that all living things are a part of the lifecycle of the Lifestream, and thus of the Planet itself. A sickness that circulates between the Lifestream and the living creatures on Gaia could be seen as something afflicting the Planet as well. Essentially the Negative Lifestream is to the Lifestream as Geostigma is to a living being.

The point is that the Planet has cured Genesis' degradation, meaning that he may be capable of absorbing the S-Cells without risking resurrecting Sephiroth through Reunion, though that's entirely speculation, based on the Planet's previous ability, and Genesis' willingness to allow it to directly influence his physiology. That's the basis behind my idea of why the Planet would activate him as a WEAPON to contain Jenova, especially with the destruction of Omega Weapon, it's unable to vacate Gaia to survive, and has to deal with the threat directly.

ShikamaruNara said:

Aso Weiss and Shelke have G-cells too, hence the "brothers" thing.

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If I recall correctly, neither Weiss, (Nero), nor Shelke have G-cells. Weiss is simply infused with Pure Lifestream, and Nero with Stagnant, in addition to being biological brothers. Shelke just has SND abilities, not sure where from. Rosso is the only one I recall as explicitly being engineered with Genesis' cells.


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Rosso was said to be the first to be give G cells, I don't recall them saying she was the last.

"G" slumbers below Midgar...
Silently abiding his awakening...

Or so tell the stories of vagrants who dwell in the slums of the
mephitic metropolis. However, could there exist some truth behind these
rumors?

Being one of the few who was involved in their construction, I know all
too well of the vast caverns that sprawl deep beneath our city's
streets.

This will more than likely be my final entry. The last fragment of data
I have uncovered reads as follows:

Soldiers branded with epithets of color...
These are the hellspawn of "G".

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In Deepground, research using G-Cells resumed, and Weiss became the first non-infant to be infused.

The results of the G-Cells experiments were extraordinary. Already regarded as one of the strongest in Deepground as an adolescent, Weiss showed signs of reaching a level of ability superior to anything in Deepground. Similarly, Nero and Rosso were exposed to G-Cells and their strengths grew. As a result of the harsh training and fierce pressure put upon her, the inclusion of G-Cells in her genetic structure brought her body almost to invincibility. As the sole survivors of the respective experiments that had made them who they were, each was branded with an epithet of colour as a codename, given only to those infused with G-Cells to become the highest level of existence in Deepground. They became known as the Coloured Tsviets; ‘Weiss the Immaculate’, ‘Nero the Sable’ and ‘Rosso the Crimson’. Fearing the power of the three, the Shinra superiors who knew of their existence decided that the restriction chips that had been implanted would not be enough to contain them.

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With her SND skills proving invaluable to the Tsviets, Shelke was successfully infused with G-Cells, and became the fourth member of the Coloured Tsviets with a codename that reflected her ability; ‘Shelke the Transparent’.

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Okay, another quick question, might be a little off topic. Why even kill off Weiss in the first place by the end of DoC if his characters gonna be used in the next game? Hojo was the central antagonist anyway. The only thing Vincent needed to do to find closure and finish his story arch was to kill him. Not surprisingly, Square Enix's writing staff didn't put a lot of thought into this.

I tossed up in a post in the Compilation General section that might fuel some ideas for you:

The Planet, Jenova, & Genesis after [ ν ] – εуλ 0010

If you don't want to go through all of it, it's because Weiss dying or being near death matches his character with "the wanderer" character from Loveless, in the formation of a final arc following the story.



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X-SOLDIER said:

After ALL of that, what the fuck could have made him finally get off his ass, since he was "only to be awoken when the Planet needed him again"? Is he going to try to start restoring the Planet now that the big threats are gone, or is there something even WORSE coming down on poor little Gaia?

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And the most important question of all:

Will Square-Enix ever tell us?

Seriously... Four. Fucking. Years.

OWA-2 said:

And the most important question of all:

Will Square-Enix ever tell us?

Seriously... Four. Fucking. Years.

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The next time someone asks about a remake before asking about this, I'm going to fucking kick someone.


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I wonder when they're making that remake...

I believe I've said my piece on this before but- That's not Genesis. Not mentally, anyways. That's Weiss, having pulled a mindsteal. The person inside his old body is Nero.
Genesis might also be in there. Either way, Genesis is now also an immaculate vessel, a purger or Jenova- at least in my crack hypotheses, anyways.

Whoo three way culture war go go.

The BC Turks are quite popular in Japan, and Square nudged open the door for their possible appearance in a sequel with the added scene in ACC, where Reno says a lot of employees are coming back to work and is clearly really happy about it. He asks Rude whether these 'employees' said anything about the whereabouts of Tseng and Elena, which again hints at them being the other Turks. Rufus colluded in faking their 'deaths' so Shinra wouldn't go after them, but now he's in charge, it's safe for them to return if they want to.

I'd put money on any final entry to the Compilation including these guys, either as Turks or civilians.