After the Secret Ending...

[ForceStealer]

Do you think the original FF7 is a mature storyline? Like hitoshura said, I'm not trying to challenge you really, I'm just curious as to what you mean exactly. If not FF7, is there a game that you think exemplifies a mature storyline?

 

[Cthulhu]

lessee, Call of Duty series, MGS series, GTA 3 & 4 (which do have humorous elements, baseline is still mature), Max Payne series, Fallout 3 (which also has humorous / weird elements), Bioshock, and those are just from the ones I've played / currently have. So yeah, .

 

[Masamune]

[quote author=ForceStealer link=topic=71.msg5371#msg5371 date=1230936768]Do you think the original FF7 is a mature storyline? Like hitoshura said, I'm not trying to challenge you really, I'm just curious as to what you mean exactly. If not FF7, is there a game that you think exemplifies a mature storyline?[/quote]

Despite being very rough around the edges, FFVII did deliver a mature and ambiguous storyline.

Yop mentioned MGS etc, but a closer example would be FFXII. Nothing was black & white in that game, and it must be one of the rare instances where the villain actually succeeds.

 

[ForceStealer]

So basically by mature you mean a situation where 'good' and 'evil' are not easily identified?

Fair enough, and easily doable in the next sequel. We already don't know which side Genesis is gonna be on and and could keep that up in the game with the right amount of intrigue.

And while we knew DG was evil in DC, they did employ some misdirection about Lucrecia. Not saying that's a mature storyline, but they know how to confuse over whether someone was 'good' or 'bad'

 

[Cat Rage Room]

So basically by mature you mean a situation where 'good' and 'evil' are not easily identified?

Well, no. Well I mean yes, that's a component, but it isn't just that. When I think of 'mature', I think of something that's more relatable and more enjoyable by adults, with real life themes and events. Max Payne, Fallout, and some themes presented by the GTA games do come to mind. Call of Duty and MGS were excellent examples.

 

[Strangelove]

In contrast, what are some titles people think have a 'childish' (or whatever antonym applies) storyline? And why?

Again, just out of interest.

 

[Tennyo]

Now by mature you people aren't just singling out games with violence, language, and sexualtiy as your main factors, right?

 

[Masamune]

[quote author=ForceStealer link=topic=71.msg5632#msg5632 date=1231035939]So basically by mature you mean a situation where 'good' and 'evil' are not easily identified?[/quote]

It's not a prerequisite, but it's an example of subtle and refreshing writing. It doesn't try the same old tricks or lay everything on too thick.

 

[Cthulhu]

[quote author=hitoshura link=topic=71.msg5651#msg5651 date=1231037935]
In contrast, what are some titles people think have a 'childish' (or whatever antonym applies) storyline? And why?

Again, just out of interest.
[/quote]

Pokémon, . And in some aspects, CoD as well - you always play a non-German soldier, and the Germans are all evil and deserve to die, without actually highlighting why they have to die, or what motivates them. Of course, a game that would attempt to explain the Germans' motivation would immediately be b7 by jewish lobbyists, but still, it is kinda black and white.

 

[Ryushikaze]

If I were to write the FF7 post DC sequel right now, I'd make it set around five years after DoC, and it would contain at least three factions.
Our guys- represent humanity living with the planet, WRO.
Genesis's guys- believe they represent the planet wanting to return to a simpler time. Like a radical Cosmo Canyon group. Ambiguous in their actions. Sometimes people die, sometimes they save people. Genesis is the charismatic leader of their public front. Would be a major but not the major antagonists.
I'm not entirely sure who the third party would be, but I sort of view them as a cult of hojo illimunati-wannabe group that everyone is surprised becomes organized enough to become a credible threat. Possibly what unites the warring WRO and Genesis factions for the final push. It'd be hard to avoid caricaturing the third party too much, but the classic 'for your own good' quasivillain motivation might work sufficiently well.

 

[ForceStealer]

I actually kinda like the sound of that. As you said the third party could use work but I like the idea of Genesis sometimes saving people sometimes killing people.

 

[wayfarer]

i wanna see sephiroth actually be killed by Jenova. that'd be flippin sweet. trying to help her retake the planet for the last however many years and then gets killed by Jenova.

 

[Makoeyes987]

....Jenova is dead. There is no more Jenova because she died in FFVII and what little remained became Sephiroth in AC.

 

[Mitch Connor]

[quote author=Ryushikaze link=topic=71.msg6501#msg6501 date=1231346383]
If I were to write the FF7 post DC sequel right now, I'd make it set around five years after DoC, and it would contain at least three factions.
Our guys- represent humanity living with the planet, WRO.
Genesis's guys- believe they represent the planet wanting to return to a simpler time. Like a radical Cosmo Canyon group. Ambiguous in their actions. Sometimes people die, sometimes they save people. Genesis is the charismatic leader of their public front. Would be a major but not the major antagonists.
[/quote]

Isn't that the storyline for Before Crisis? With the same motivations for the villians? (the AVALANCHE of BC is technically a radical Cosmo Canyon Group)

 

[Ryushikaze]

They're similar, yes, but radicalist movements often times greatly resemble each other. But when I say 'Radical Cosmo Canyon group' I speak only of their popular movement front, which has the same sort of ideals as Cosmo Canyon gang, only with luddism and forcing it on others and greenpeace type activities. Anyways, while their appearance may be largely the same, their role would not be. The third faction would be the primary antagonists.

Besides, what the hell else do you you expect Genny to do?

 

[Edley]

[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=71.msg16785#msg16785 date=1234309648]
....Jenova is dead. There is no more Jenova because she died in FFVII and what little remained became Sephiroth in AC.
[/quote]

Right on. There's enough terrible fanfiction out there with Cloud going bezerk post game because of Jenova cells. W/O the will of Sephiroth, it was little more than a science experiment.

Now Palmer on the other hand ... fat bastard is immortal.

 

[Tennyo]

lol Palmer. Semi-truck be damned, I want to see him come back, shaking and slapping his ass at the camera all the way.

 

[Bonaventura]

Seriously, what happened to that hunk of lard? One minute he's fighting with you and the in other he's flying across the screen, because he 'supposedly' bounced off the ShinRa truck...

... but then again, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Palmer is still bouncing.

The more I think about it, the more I think a FFIV:TA story would work best. Not specifically an episodic adventure, but one similar to the way the story was structured, moving from group to group as they performed their roles across the planet, as they deal with the nonense of Genpeace and the Hocultites. I'd also involve Denzel and Marlene to a minor extent, because I think not involving them would leave that thread hanging. Nothing major, just a sequence where they need to escape to safety (and maybe later unlockable as explicit joke character, sort of like becoming young Rydia again in IV:A), because I am evil and like subjecting players to at least one incredibly difficult hoshit scenario.

 

[OWA-2]

[quote author=Bonaventura link=topic=71.msg21962#msg21962 date=1235394700]Seriously, what happened to that hunk of lard?[/quote]

You can find him later, drinking in a bar of Junon.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

He's also on the radio when the Rocket launches.

 

[wayfarer]

I just popped in to say what the hell?! It's been four years and they still haven't banked on the tease at the end of Dirge of Cerberus. There is not even a HINT of anything Compilation related coming out soon. If you're gonna introduce something, you need to do so with the intention of paying it off.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

[quote author=Bonaventura link=topic=71.msg21962#msg21962 date=1235394700]Seriously, what happened to that hunk of lard?

You can find him later, drinking in a bar of Junon.[/QUOTE]

I totally missed that! I'm going back there now in my awesome airship.

 

[Shademp]

I totally missed that! I'm going back there now in my awesome airship.

Sorry to disappoint, but that's not Palmer. This guy in the bar is there at all times during the game. There is no indication that the guy is Palmer. They are not identical in appearance either; from memory, the smoking (yes, he is smoking) guy in the bar has brown hair while Palmer has grey hair.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

I just popped in to say what the hell?! It's been four years and they still haven't banked on the tease at the end of Dirge of Cerberus. There is not even a HINT of anything Compilation related coming out soon. If you're gonna introduce something, you need to do so with the intention of paying it off.

It's so odd how DoC was used to introduce Genesis, where his character's biology/backstory was fairly important, but his character was barely even used.

But as for DoC's secret ending, now that we know a ton about Genesis's character, and why he was there in the first place: He feel guilty about leading the mass SOLDIER desertion and wants to reclaim his pride as a SOLDIER by atoning for his sins. (He's essentially got a Zack/Cloud/Vincent complex).

He left Deepground briefly after Nero and Weiss came to get him, and he sealed himself in that chamber below Midgar. What rather amazes me is all of the Midgar-centric, potentially WORLD ENDING disasters he's essentially slept through: Zirconiade, Meteofall, Sephiroth's return, and Omega WEAPON.

After ALL of that, what the fuck could have made him finally get off his ass, since he was "only to be awoken when the Planet needed him again"? Is he going to try to start restoring the Planet now that the big threats are gone, or is there something even WORSE coming down on poor little Gaia?



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