After the Secret Ending...

[X-SOLDIER]

So after all the CRAZY stuff that happened in DoC with the world almost coming to an end, Genesis is still alive and well and up to something.

Anybody have some decent speculation as to what his goal could possibly be based on what we know of him from everything that happened in Crisis Core & from DoC's Online Mode? Also - what sort of format would said story be presented in - game/movie/novel/etc ?


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[NoenGaruth]

No idea really what he could be thinking now, considering after playing crisis core we now know he's not evil. Kinda a mystery what this next piece will be about and who the villain would be (Sephiroth would be too cliche and cheap), tho I'd love Jenova herself to be the villain if they can somehow work her into it.

But really, I'm just hoping for 5 important things for this next comp piece:
-Resolution for Rufus and the Turks
-Appearances by Elfe, Verdot and the BC Turks
-More Locations, try get most if not all from FF7 (that still exist)
-Stop destroying Midgar >_<
-Argento, anything will do...Give her a proper role dammit!

 

[Dark and Divine]

[quote author=NoenGaruth link=topic=71.msg695#msg695 date=1228485826]
Kinda a mystery what this next piece will be about and who the villain would be (Sephiroth would be too cliche and cheap), tho I'd love Jenova herself to be the villain if they can somehow work her into it.[/quote]

Curiously, i thought some time ago of a theory for the story after DOC that would envolve Jenova.

It was something like this:

A new "Jenova" was about to land on the Planet. The remaing Jenova cells would start to react to the presence to this being, even though it was still in outer space. Those with Jenova cells in them would have their free will dominated by Jenova's instincts and would start to move to the predicted landing site of this new creature, for a new Reunion.

(The landing site would be close to Cosmo Canyon, in order to a certain character from FFVII being more than just a cameo, like it was in DOC)

Reeve, noticing the unusual people gathering, but unaware of the eminent landing of the new being, would ask Cloud to join Red XIII to investigate. The rest of Avalanche would gather soon after.

Meanwhile, Genesis, hearing the cries of the Planet, who was in fear because of the pain that the original Jenova landing caused to it, would also be on his way to Como Canyon arera in order to find a way to prevent the landing or, at best, finish off the new Jenova specimen upon landing.

As for Weiss, Genesis would leave him safely in a cave (maybe in Banora), until he could wake up of his coma. (Weiss' role would be unknown at this point).

So, we would have three factions:

The new being and the remants of Jenova...

...Cloud and Avalanche...

...and Genesis, representing the will of the Planet.

As for Sephiroth, he wouldn't appear. He would be remembered through some flashbacks and dialogue, showing how he marked the lives of everyone, both for bad and good reasons and how his shadow still lingers everywhere, even though he's gone.

That would be much more tasteful than him returning again just to be defeated again.

 

[Madame Mayor]

and the BC Turks

I was under the impression that when Tseng points out a lot of them were killed by Genesis... that was the end of the unnamed ones. If they were still alive in FFVII, Elena wouldn't have been recruited because they were short staffed. I know it's kind of a cheap death, but *shrugs* I'd be more disappointed if they showed up in a later title than anything.

 

[Dark and Divine]

I was under the impression that it was officially stated that those Turks, after BC, abandoned Shinra and went on hiding in Midgar or something.

I'm not sure, though.

 

[OWA-2]

We know from the official timeline, that the BC Turks fought Zirconiade after Genesis was sealed, so... Genesis killing them is a little hard.


And I agree with the idea of a second "Jenova". That would be interesting, because it would open the opportunity to explain some things, like... Why did Genesis wake up just now, what is/was Jenova and where it came from, etc.
And with a story involving this second "Jenova", it gives a good excuse to show flashbacks of Sephiroth, and make him part of the story, but without having to bring him back from dead AGAIN.

Another connection with Sephiroth, could be the way this new "Jenova" comes to the planet. From Meteor.
I mean, it was a big object from space that was destroyed on Gaia's atmosphere. It could be transporting a sleeping/sealed/frozen alien being, that woke-up/was-unsealed/was-unfrozen just now, after DoC.

Ah, and please S-E... Give us more Argento.

 

[SOLDIERis1337]

The BC Turks were not killed by Genesis. They defeated Jade WEAPON and then went into hiding. In the epilogue of BC they help to evacuate Midgar. They're very much alive, they're just keeping low profiles.

 

[Madame Mayor]

Ah, okay. Never really looked up much about them, but I wonder which Turks were killed by him in Banora then, cause the images are of blue suits with black ties...
I dunno, I always liked the Turks being a much smaller group than what the compilation made them out to be.
So are they still apart of Shinra, or were they helpingseparatefrom them?

 

[NoenGaruth]

They're no longer with the company, probably just off doing their own things now.

I think the Turks killed by Genesis are just randoms, apparently there's a number of branches of them (like how Katana and Cissnei had been part of the Turks for awhile but only show up later in Before Crisis cause they were off working elsewhere) Tho I believe by the time FF7 Started it was just down to Tseng, Reno and Rude, hence hiring Elena since they've lost a lot of people.

 

[SOLDIERis1337]

They aren't working for the company, as ShinRa is who they're hiding from. They chose to help Verdot instead of the company, and the President didn't want them alive to tell people of Rufus betraying ShinRa, so he ordered Scarlet to hunt them down and take them out.

 

[Madame Mayor]

Ah, okay, I understand now. Thanks guys. It makes a lot more sense now, because I really disliked the idea they were working for the company but just weren't there ever.

 

[Nocturne]

I can actually still see Genesis as a villain in a way for a game after DoC. But not so black and white villain like.

I could see the planet seeing people as a threat after all that has went on, and Genesis being the person to have to wipe out humanity on the planet. Hence why everyone will gather again to save it, but, does the world want to be saved?

That's what I think would be a good plot anyways.

 

[SOLDIERis1337]

I can't say I want that to happen, then Genesis would just become another Fuhito. We've seen that storyline before in the world of FF VII, so I'd like whatever is next to be different.

 

[Madame Mayor]

[quote author=Nocturne link=topic=71.msg845#msg845 date=1228543645]
I can actually still see Genesis as a villain in a way for a game after DoC. But not so black and white villain like.

I could see the planet seeing people as a threat after all that has went on, and Genesis being the person to have to wipe out humanity on the planet. Hence why everyone will gather again to save it, but, does the world want to be saved?

That's what I think would be a good plot anyways.
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I saw Genesis as being more black and white in CC as well. He wasn't like Sephiroth who went completely insane, and he wasn't even dying like Genesis was. When faced with the fact that you are dying and it's someone else's fault and you might be able to stop it... I don't know anyone who wouldn't go a little wacky and try anything.

I always thought the humans still being alive after FFVII was proof the planet still wanted them. Though that depends on what the planet itself could do to wipe out humanity itself.

 

[ForceStealer]

Well Holy was going to let Meteor kill the humans, Aeris coaxed the other souls of the Lifestream to stop it. So I'm not sure how willing the Planet was in letting humans remain. Although, is the Planet's consciousness separate from the consciousness of the Lifestream?

 

[Heartway]

[quote author=ForceStealer link=topic=71.msg930#msg930 date=1228591696]
Although, is the Planet's consciousness separate from the consciousness of the Lifestream?
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I think so. In Crisis Core, she was a individual being. The Lifestream is cumulation of passed on individuals, even if their consciousnesses (sp?) have faded away. They exist closely, but I always saw the two as two separate entities

As for Holy and Meteor, I got the impression that Holy was too late to be as effective as they wanted it to be, so Meteor was able to break through it because it was too close to the ground, and therefore the Planet's gravitation pull (That which was conviently left out on AC >n>;; ) became too much for Holy. It required the Lifestream's assistance to really rail against Meteor.

As for the eminent oncoming storyline, I think they should make it one really really huge game for one last hurrah for every FFVII character in existence.

I did picture Genesis as the villan, but not nearly 'OMFGMOTHERKILLPLANET' as Sephiroth. I'm not exactly sure what his reasoning would be. Maybe he wanted the Planet to be destroyed to put Her out of Her misery or soemthing, and therefore is peeved at humans (particularly Avalanche) for doing so much to keep her alive, supposedly for their own benefit.

My own fantasy ( probably impossible xD) is that anybody who died in the course of CC, BC, FVII , AC and DC becomes a summon (but not omitting the classic FF summmons, of course). So they're not revived for those who wants everyone to stay dead, but they make their respective apperances and fight alongside the living one last time.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Never really looked up much about them, but I wonder which Turks were killed by him in Banora then, cause the images are of blue suits with black ties...

Who says they were Turks? What if they were just Shinra employees with blue suits and black ties?

 

[Makoeyes987]

[quote author=ForceStealer link=topic=71.msg930#msg930 date=1228591696]
Well Holy was going to let Meteor kill the humans, Aeris coaxed the other souls of the Lifestream to stop it. So I'm not sure how willing the Planet was in letting humans remain. Although, is the Planet's consciousness separate from the consciousness of the Lifestream?
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Holy didn't let Meteor come smash the planet. The very fact that Holy appeared means it obviously didn't want the planet to die, and no matter what, it *would* intervene on that front.

The judgment regarding humans was regarding whether or not Holy would then attack humans and wipe them out. Since it didn't, obviously the planet wants humans to remain.

 

[Madame Mayor]

[quote author=The Notorious M.O.G. link=topic=71.msg1416#msg1416 date=1228949383]

Never really looked up much about them, but I wonder which Turks were killed by him in Banora then, cause the images are of blue suits with black ties...

Who says they were Turks? What if they were just Shinra employees with blue suits and black ties?
[/quote]
True, but the way Tseng talks about them as well, it seemed that way.

But... I realized I was silly for thinking that since I knew that the Turks survived past that, I just kind of forgot as well. What happens when you try to understand two overlapping stories by pretending one happens completely before the other.

 

[ForceStealer]

[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=71.msg1422#msg1422 date=1228951459]Holy didn't let Meteor come smash the planet. The very fact that Holy appeared means it obviously didn't want the planet to die, and no matter what, it *would* intervene on that front.

The judgment regarding humans was regarding whether or not Holy would then attack humans and wipe them out. Since it didn't, obviously the planet wants humans to remain.[/quote]

I know Holy wasn't going to let Meteor destroy the Planet, hence it came out. But I did always think in the final scene it was going to let Meteor at least destroy Midgar, since THAT was definitely harmful to the Planet.

 

[Tennyo]

[quote author=Heartway link=topic=71.msg948#msg948 date=1228595831]My own fantasy ( probably impossible xD) is that anybody who died in the course of CC, BC, FVII , AC and DC becomes a summon (but not omitting the classic FF summmons, of course). So they're not revived for those who wants everyone to stay dead, but they make their respective apperances and fight alongside the living one last time.
[/quote]

Dude, I had the same exact idea! I kind of had the idea that Genesis would have Sephiroth as a summon and Cloud would have Aerith and/or Zack. I don't have any idea what the plot specifics would be, but it would at least be a way to bring certain peeps back without making it seem cheap or cliche.

 

[Heartway]

[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=71.msg1737#msg1737 date=1229093405]


Dude, I had the same exact idea! I kind of had the idea that Genesis would have Sephiroth as a summon and Cloud would have Aerith and/or Zack. I don't have any idea what the plot specifics would be, but it would at least be a way to bring certain peeps back without making it seem cheap or cliche.
[/quote]

Homaigod somebody who shares my thoughs! *running tackle hug*
Anyways, your version makes alot more sense than mine did. (I pictured one summoner like in FFX that the Planet sends soul-summons to or something to that degree)
Yeah. x3 So this way, the people who want dead people to stay dead and nostalgia junkies (like me. >w&lt will have their heartstrings pulled out when 'mystery summon materia' or something reveals that it summons dead peeps.
That and I'm curious to see Cloud reaction if one of them happened to summon Sephiroth. >> Awkward turtle would be awkward.

 

[Tennyo]

[quote author=Heartway link=topic=71.msg1780#msg1780 date=1229112233]Homaigod somebody who shares my thoughs! *running tackle hug*
Anyways, your version makes alot more sense than mine did. (I pictured one summoner like in FFX that the Planet sends soul-summons to or something to that degree)
Yeah. x3 So this way, the people who want dead people to stay dead and nostalgia junkies (like me. >w&lt will have their heartstrings pulled out when 'mystery summon materia' or something reveals that it summons dead peeps.
That and I'm curious to see Cloud reaction if one of them happened to summon Sephiroth. >> Awkward turtle would be awkward.[/quote]



One person who summons? I'd never thought of that. But I was trying to think more along the lines of a way to bring back the people who should come back in a way that didn't seem to back pedal too much.

Or, or... maybe somehow Genesis opens a rift into some sort of spirit limbo place? No, that's lame...

I'm stumped now.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I'm not entirely sure about the deadman summon thing, but a variation on it might work. It doesn't summon the dead people per se, but very obvious analogues, who replace the person who summons them temporarily.
Sort of a quasi-dressphere/ EX mode.
Tifa could gain a ribboned Valkrie armor (a la Minerva and Aerith combined), Cloud could gain an off hand sword (I'll leave you to guess which one) and cosmetic changes, etc.

Or, y'know, Tifa could be a summoner and Aerith her final summon, like Destiny Failed suggested.

 

[sephirothpaine]

Hmmmmmm.......in loveless, when the war of the beast reach it's peek is what caused one character to return . I would think since Genesis returned, that something malice is really a foot.