Arcane

InterfaceLeader

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I haven't finished season 2 yet, but I gotta say X-Soldier, you really have a gift for explaining why things land a certain way.


The animation is gorgeous, so many of the mini-stories and scene by scene set-pieces are brilliant. But everything in S2 feels so rushed, and I have genuinely just missed huge pieces of character and plot because they happened in a montage or blink of an eye and I couldn't separate what was vibes from what was key information. Maddie and Loris both feel like footnotes. I'm completely lost on what Jayce's motivation is. My primary emotion is confusion, whereas Season 1 was a near perfect piece of storytelling.
 

X-SOLDIER

Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
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Thanks!

It's nice to know since I haven't been doing this sort of thing as much lately, and I'm just getting back into it again. :D

My approach is bolstered by what I do for a living, as it involves a lot of that sort of analytical dissection in thinking through perspectives from different personas about software, media, etc. and especially understanding how/why something might not end up being picked up the way that it's intended by a particular audience. (For things like sensory disabilities, that's a lot of understanding things like what makes up non-text information, and how to convey that to a user that's going to be different on a case-by-case basis).

I wanted to mention that as there's a particular moment in Season 2 that I only recently noticed when rewatching some people checking out the show with subtitles on. There's a very specific moment where something bothered me because of that type of necessity not landing properly, and that's context on something that I actually have to look at from a professional perspective that gets into a bit more of the lens in how I re-analyze things when trying to articulate my thoughts on them.

So at the end of Season 2 episode 4, Vander comes to his senses when he recognizes Jinx, and the episode cliffhangers its end of him saying, "Powder...?" that absolutely just hits like a TRUCK emotionally.

The issue here is that the subtitles provide the character name from League of Legends: Warwick as the speaker for that line. What this means is that if you're deaf – the vocal match to that DEFINITELY being Vander's voice is completely lost, and even if you just have subtitles on and you're not good with vocal recognition it heavily obfuscates that end-of-episode emotional reveal. You're left thinking it's a new character that probably knows her from somewhere else during the timeskip or something, and you're likely to get a backstory on them.

This is why making subtitles & captions isn't as easy as just transferring the script into a data file with correct timing. A lot of things like whether or not you include the name of the speaker is predicated upon whether or not that person has been introduced formally in the story yet, as well as weighing that against things like whether they're speaking from off-screen, if they're in a back & forth conversation where you have to differentiate them, etc. There is no definitive answer to what always works, because subtleties of the non-text information within the visual medium itself change how that's most effective to translate for the audience, as sometimes you have to concede on certain mismatches in information disclosure in order to be able to ensure that it's the closest match that doesn't lose cause a more important mismatch that other options would take.

This is the same reason why there is no such thing as a perfect translation – and why localizations do things differently that match gaps in cultural awareness where certain disclosures are automatic to one audience and unknown to another in a way that's confusing. (An outdated example is why "riceballs" are called "jelly doughnuts" in a lot of early anime dubs, because it's not attempting to tell you exactly what's being eaten as that's not as important as knowing that they're grabbing a light, handheld snack that would be normal for a kid to eat. That sort of thing shifts as globalization means that there's better cultural awareness of things like that). This can be anything from a change in tone, formality, accent, etc. that all get conveyed in ways that plain text has to be able to effectively supplement.

A lot of the time, it means that someone from the design/writing team NEEDS to review things like this, because there's a particular reason that they chose to have withhold particular details of the information conveyance which parts to reveal. Given that right at the start of S2E5 Jinx shows up in goth-Vi's bathroom and tells her that she found Vander while Vi's attempting to choke her out... that now means that the "Warwick" name for the speaker doesn't connect to this detail either, despite TECHNICALLY still being accurate to who the speaker actually is.

I could suggest a number of different ways to fix something like that (not having a speaker's name at all, since his face is on screen and his mouth is shown speaking, thus it's redundant, or including Vander's name instead), and whichever option is likely going to have some impact on how that scene would be described when making the script for the audio descriptions which are intended for someone who still watches shows but is visually impaired. I'd expect that those'd've likely had to give Warwick a name unless they just describe him arbitrarily as a monster – both of which work, but provide a similar gap. (I haven't watched Arcane with audio transcriptions, but I know that ALL of Netflix's original shows have had Audio transcriptions as a part of them ever since Daredevil back in 2015 made that a big deal so that blind people could watch a show about their superhero along with everyone else).

That's why my job is largely identifying gaps like this in something during development, and then hunting whoever the most effective owner is over where that change makes the most sense to be made, and presenting what the gap & possible options are on ways to present that, as well as why following a simple model directly doesn't match to the delivery, and how to better catch things like that proactively early on in the process. Hence why, despite being rather tl;dr, I am glad to know that my articulation of things still lands well for a similar type of explanation of things landing differently than they were intended because of what are usually very small secondary details that can make a significant change.


Your statement of, "My primary emotion is confusion" is SO relatable to how I felt watching Season 2 as it was getting into the final episodes before I finished it as well, but especially because Season 1 didn't feel like that AT ALL during any point of the story. It's why I'm glad that I missed this show when it initially came out, and binged through it for the first time all in one go because I didn't have any gap in experiencing how Season 1 delivered the information differently from Season 2.

That confusion being born of the delivery failing to differentiate what's key information & what're just vibes I think is really what's at the core of that "rushed" feeling more than anything else. It's also why I think that rewatching the show genuinely helps a bit in that regard, as you know where to look for some of those things more carefully – because you're looking for information that you're missing.

Even though some of the time that information is something that was technically there, you're missing it because it doesn't have the same weight that's placed upon information conveyance for key information the way that Season 1 established its storytelling, which is a shortcoming of the Season 2 storytelling rushing through details that it would have taken time for in Season 1. While re-watching the fights that feel like an AMV vibe is still fun, you have to appreciate them differently than you would if you're watching them for choreographed storytelling.

It's like expecting a savory taste & getting something sweet – it tastes bad until you can recalibrate for what it is. Your brain does a LOT of contextual prep for things before you encounter it, which is why consistency in storytelling patterns matter, and there are rules to cinematography about things like not crossing the line, and other editing techniques that change how easy it is to follow a story, and even those will vary somewhat based on the director or other things. MOST of the shortcomings of Season 2 are that, and so there's still a way to get those bits and enjoy them afterwards in a slightly different way from Season 1.

There are just a few things that fall outside of that scope into where that rush in writing creates a gap that's an issue that doesn't get resolved through that sort of "flavor" recontextualization on rewatch, which is what my last post is mainly focused on. It's why one of the things that I didn't re-mention is what you mentioned about Jayce's motivation:

the "Childhood's End" ascension thing with Viktor that ties into Jayce's core motivations for opposing it. While they do have a meaningful dialogue about what represents progress, and that Viktor ends up needing Jayce to recognize that his perfection isn't progress, it's a bit of a bothersome oversimplification, and removes the idea that he initially just ascended anyone who WANTED that. While that is a shortcoming, I do think that the other element that wasn't as well delivered is that it's not clear how much agency Viktor has over stopping himself or someone like Ambessa from using him as a tool that doesn't have the proper safeguards in the same way that Hextech was. While I do have some annoyances about a number of nuances to that conversation, the key difference between this and something like the Prison Cell scene is that, if you manage to bolster the shortcomings in Jayce's & Viktor's conversation to land better or cover something from a slightly more nuanced perspective... the end result of the conversation still pans out the same any way you slice it.

So, while that bit always makes my eyes roll a bit just because there are really important details that it's slightly mischaracterizing or oversimplifying when it comes to that type of REALLY deep existential confrontation, it's something that doesn't ultimately change the underlying parts of that scene or narrative to be lesser. It's hitting the right message by stumbling its way through rather than walking there, so my annoyances with that are more that it feels like a missed opportunity to have that more interesting perspective, but that's not something that the story itself ever promised, but more of something I was hoping it would deliver on by tacking that question.



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InterfaceLeader

Pro Adventurer
I have JUST THIS MINUTE finished watching it.

And yes, I think I will need to rewatch it at some point because

Ending spoilers (and rambling thoughts)

The ending does recontextualise what was going on with Viktor and Jayce, and, I guess, tries to spell out the core themes of the show?
I agree with you that it came off a bit clunky. To me, there was a 'I'm 17 and this is deep' feeling to the dialogue between them. And I had a bit of reactionary, sure tell the disabled guy that the chronic pain is what made him anti-Jayce moment.

I think with Viktor, I missed the place where he went from 'healing' people to 'unifying' them/creating the hive-mind. Particularly as Vander's healing seemed dependent on teasing out his individuality? But then Viktor changes his mind and Vander remains a monster, albeit one controlled by the hive mind.

(I still do not understand how Black Rose fits in)

There is a huge disconnect between the different storylines. There are just straight up too many characters for ~9 hours of story, and a lot of the time they feel incidental to each other.

I forgive the show a lot because the visuals are so spectacular. Every single frame is a work of art.


I really appreciate your long form posts, thanks for the effort in writing them out. It helps me get to grips with WHAT I'm missing.
 

X-SOLDIER

Harbinger O Great Justice
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Ah, it's really nice to see your thoughts on that follow-up, and so hopefully I can give some general perspective on what I've managed to pick up on so far, and some more examples of where I think that the gaps exist which make this difficult to pick up on and feel confusing rather than having the same sense of what Season 1 had.

Framing it as the 'I'm 17 and this is deep' really hits the nail on the head, because there's so much to the perspective of emotion being necessary but also messy that's at the of the underlying narrative that SEEMS like it'd play into that, but it really doesn't have the moments to reconcile the perspectives that they arrive at to make it meaningfully follow through on that.

Viktor's journey & Jayce's have always had parallels over their struggles with helplessness & hopelessness while being JUST short of being able to make a lasting difference really shown off in Season 1 with the, "Am I interrupting?" scenes of them contemplating suicide and standing on a ledge after a mistake in their efforts winds up with terrible consequences. Viktor making Jayce promise to destroy the Hexcore and instead Jayce using it to save Viktor's life ends up being something that causes them to necessarily part ways, because it's something that represents a betrayal of that trust because Jayce was acting out of an emotional reaction to what happened during the attack & seeing his best friend getting severely injured after already being exceptionally concerned about Viktor's mortality.

Initially the integration that he has with everyone down in the undercity where he's healing the shimmer addicts is interlinking their minds to his as he is using himself to heal them. It's how he's able to talk through them occasionally. Reveck mentions that each healing takes things out of Viktor and that his capacity isn't limitless, and what he's doing with Warwick to try and get Vander's mind back is deeply more complex than what he's had to do with the others, and will take a toll on him directly, as that's meant to show a vastly more difficult version of how he's repairing all of the others and why they look to him as a savoiur.

So at this point in having a collective who all share some link through their messianic figure, they operate more like a pacifist cult, which is disconcerting but there's nothing inherently bad going on there. There is some loose sense of this from the way that Skye exists alongside him in his mind, but there's not nearly enough time or context spent on this to really understand the nature of their relationship & what happened to him the way that you'd expect to have a whole episode focused on the scientist figuring out the science of his own condition. Viktor is calm and thoughtful about what he's doing because he's now living his life in a way that's attempting to be purposeful given that he's no longer what he was due to a decision that went against his wishes and was made outside of his control.

Meanwhile, Jayce ends up in a possible future, which is already undercut because we get to see that Ekko & Heimerdinger ended up in another alternate timeline where Hextech seemingly didn't lead to that outcome. If he got tossed into a certain future that'd be more impactful, especially given that Heimerdinger was disconnected from following up on the danger of the Mages given that his role as the older individual who experienced that is completely cast aside to have him seemingly vanish into nothingness for an unspecified beyond-last-second adjustment, which is another one of those oddly rushed writing things that really feels like it's because the elements of the story that he should be connected to happen completely absent of his presence in a way that cuts out how the THREE of them were necessary to remain balanced between considerations of the balance of progress against the stagnation that comes from moving too slowly to bring healing to those who need it most – which is what Heimerdinger's journey with Ekko into the undercity in Season 1 really emphasized.

On top of that, Jayce's fall lands him with a broken leg & forced to deal with this situation of being injured & stranded in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. While the injury itself is an echo of Viktor's leg, the circumstances under which he experiences it flatly aren't ones where he's able to get a sense of what's going on rationally. He's operating on survival impulses which are all of the lower brain functions with the amygdala that are building emotionally-charged, highly biased survival responses – that's where trauma comes from. Making him into an anti-hero vessel to try to undo his emotional decision of using the hexcore to save Viktor to then have him reverse that decision out of an emotional decision – again without allowing Viktor to have any agency is the underlying issue. It's why it leads to all of the trauma with Isha, Vander/Warwick, and all of the people he healed with the terrifying screaming as the healed parts of them get cognitively ripped away, seen even more vividly in Warwick as those things all melt out of his body in fountaining streams of molten tears/blood.

It's only at THIS point that Viktor has to rely on the now nearly dead Warwick's body to give himself the fuel that he needs in order to sustain himself, and where he loses his emotional connection and his link to his humanity in exchange for survival and ascension to overcome nature, with him telling Skye that he'll miss their conversations to which she replies that he won't – because he's losing the emotion that will experience that. (Again, NONE of this is adequately set up in the story and it's obtuse until you really try to dig at figuring out why things are happening).

Even at THAT point, Viktor still explicitly says that he'll ascend everyone who is willing. It's the agency of choice, and being able to choose freedom from emotional trauma is something that isn't necessarily a point of moral judgement. It's at that point that they're TRULY a hive mind of interconnected experiences & memories, and where they all end up serving an emotionless imperative to convert everyone else and overcome nature itself, hence Ambessa weaponizing it as a tool that she can control with absolute certainty again the Black Rose – who just... are SO underdeveloped that it's just a complete and total mess of attempting to raise the stakes WAY too quickly. This is what brings everything to the, "If everything is perfect no one does anything. Emotions are necessary despite the suffering they bring." conversation between them that just feels monumentally reductive on top of being tonally dischordant to Jinx's journey given that she's literally attempting to kill herself multiple times by jumping off a ledge like both of them did because of the unhealed trauma & consequences of the emotional damage of what she went through.

The other issue here are that this hive-mind concept was most significantly brought about by Childhood's End, (FFVII, StarCraft, and countless other things directly cite it as the influence of those things, so its influence carries through a lot of different avenues that may not know the initial source – especially given the very Protoss-like appearance of Viktor after his ascension those bits of thematic DNA feel especially significant). It really mangles the delivery of the idea that this ascension into something else just... happens as a part of advancement, and it generates fear and aversion BECAUSE it's so different and it operates in a modality that normal people can't experience, and it's destined to leave the previous form of humanity behind for something that's unrecognizable to the older generations (i.e. the same fundamental fear & prejudice that the Mutants in X-Men face).

This basically takes that framework, removes all of Viktor's agency multiple times through Jayce's emotional actions driven out of concern for the well-being of those he wants to help, and then because it ultimately characterizes Viktor as a threat, it ends up justifying Jayce's villainous actions through the ham-fisted preachy bit that overlooks the history of human Viktor's physical struggles that had defined his life outside of his control by making it so that Viktor the one who was just stopping himself through Jayce to prevent himself from becoming a danger to everyone as he even regards himself as a threat – rather than seeing that there is a facet of progress that the world might not willingly accept ESPECIALLY at an accelerated pace without the necessary safeguards.

The pacing is why that all feels oversimplified, because what the story needs is moments to understand that while Jayce is still on a heroic path the entire time, his trauma & the execution of that will mean that he's NOT the hero in certain circumstances and he has to commit to that IF he's certain that the ends justify the means – a decision that you cannot rationally make when you're driven by emotional guilt, trauma, & bias without a LOT of time to be forced to hold onto that choice through things that want to dissuade you or test that resolve in complex ways, because even when you're in the role of trying to be a big picture saviour – you're going to be a villain at a different scale, which is especially difficult when you force others to experience the same trauma you went through.

This is the sort of thing where Jayce having to actually face Vi & Jinx after his actions made them lose their father ALL OVER AGAIN... AND it made Jinx lose herself all over again with Isha's death are exceedingly paramount parts of that story that either don't happen, or happen completely between episodes. That SHOULD have been the connective tissue between those storylines. Jinx losing Isha how she does is a VERY specific trigger because Isha not only models herself after her big sister, but she's blown up after her dad turns into a monster to protect them, and she does it by stealing and cramming 3 Hexgems into a weapon and using it to do what she thought was right & what her adoptive parental-sibling does all the time, and it got her & everyone else killed and left Jinx with nothing because she had to watch all the parts of Powder that she'd re-nurtured die all over again to the EXACT same cycle.

This is where there's one element where I've gotten a bit more forgiving about Isha's portrayal. One of the things about animation and the "anime look" is that animated characters rely on "baby schema" which is that they have particularly exaggerated proportions in their eye size, face shape, etc. because it's a mammalian trait that makes us inclined to be protective or nurturing towards something. It's why mammals raise young that's not their own, and (on top of other olfactory cues), it's why they instinctively know how to act differently around babies, as well as why we naturally think baby animals are cute. It's more lower-brain automatic survival pattern subconscious function, and it's why Disney princess & animate characters have a look that makes you emotionally inclined to feel protective & emotionally attached to them more easily.

Because Jinx IS still Powder is broken little fragments, she has to carry a lot of that same look even when she's older, whereas Vi's older self looks a LOT different comparatively speaking. That's because there has to be an audience impulse to still want to protect Jinx despite her trauma & struggles, which means the animation will parallel her younger self visually. This means that it's more complicated when Jinx has to become the older sibling/psuedo-parental guardian over another kid that's like she was, because you then have to maintain that dynamic which means that Isha's child-like qualities end up being REALLY amplified. Even lanky little Powder crossing the bridge with Vi when their parents die never looks as little as Isha. We know Powder isn't tough enough to get into fights, but Isha's constantly getting into brawls & diving in to shield Jinx again Vi and doing the sort of overly precocious things that happen in children who don't have a guardian, because they're developing on their brain's own survival instincts rather than relying on having a safe environment for cognitive development. That's how & why they often become overly co-dependent when they DO find someone who will protect them and they mirror & protect them exceptionally strongly regardless of whether that attachment is protective or toxic (the same way that Jinx & Silco's relationship was deeply complicated).

While this makes things feel discordant with Isha being visually WAY too young for the realism and ways in which the story established things with Vi & Powder as kids in the undercity, it's an animation choice that doesn't really work for Jinx's story without her looking that way, because anything else will make it so that Isha's precocious traits from being wholly abandoned, like when she's trying to "be" Jinx and show up to things will start to elevate her into the elder sibling role instead of Jinx which isn't the purpose of the characterization of that relationship. It's a mirror that helps to show that Silco's trauma from his fractured relationship with Vander made it so that he was like a vulnerable younger sibling when he & Jinx were alone, which is why he always needed her to give him his medication and couldn't do it himself. That vulnerability is why he couldn't give her up and would have let the whole world burn to keep her alive. That particular dysfunctional coping mechanism is what's REALLY important for Jinx to see when she's experiencing Isha's death – because she's also watching herself shoot her own father figure who loves her which is the OTHER WAY SHE LOST HER FAMILY.

That's why she shatters into apathy & total helplessness, turns herself into Vi, and is sitting in her cell with her hair unbraided, because she's completely and utterly unraveled. The problem is that rather than getting to see how this impacts Jayce – since the Hexstone explosion from his research is LITERALLY what started this whole mess. We never get any moment to see him have to grapple with the ways in which that echo is repeating or how that's pushing her into blowing herself up or jumping off of a ledge to her death like he & Viktor both saved each other from. That all violates the key storytelling rule of, "Show, don't tell." when that reveal just just delivered as a single line of dialogue from Caitlyn to Vi about where her sister is.

And not-so-surprisingly, this all sort of leads things back into Jinx in the jailcell being glossed over with a quick bait-and-switch to locking up Vi so that her & Caitlyn can get all steamy before any of the meaningful things about what happened ACTUALLY get addressed. There's not enough time to build up to what's happening there to be a healing moment, because we don't get to understand the weight of the impact that this has on Vi by seeing things that are like having Powder & Vander back – only to lose both of them again to the same thing and then end up in a jail cell.

Vi went through those traumatic things too, but Vi ha's had Caitlyn working on her side THIS WHOLE TIME even allowing the both of them to covertly team up against Ambessa, so the impact of that lingering doesn't need to be on the popular lesbian ship so quickly, but rather it needs to be taking time to unpack that emotional cycle of repetition, because it's important to recognize that all of these cyclical pairs of Ambessa & Mel, Jayce & Viktor, Vi & Powder, all have an interwoven relationship where the trauma one of them experiences is re-triggering those events for others, and building this into a cycle that just keeps repeating even as it keeps amplifying over & over again, and where breaking that cycle is critically important – which is where a love scene FINALLY breaking the self-guarded Vi's outer shell would really work... but where another key element is critically important.

That's where the value of Heimerdinger & Ekko comes in. They're impacted by this same cycle, but they're in different places. They're responsible for larger communities, and figureheads of those places. They're doing good from different directions, and their exposures to one anothers' lives fundamentally shifts their core purpose as well as how they're able to think about what they do. Heimerdinger spends almost 3 years LIVING IN THE UNDERCITY before Ekko shows up in that timeline. He's learning about the best of what things are while also showing his core weakness is that he'll be content to be somewhere and let time pass because he has time to spare. Because that's a single episode just sort of slotted in like Jayce's Arcane Apocalypse or the Black Rose, we don't get the necessary juxtaposition of the sense of urgency that Ekko has to consider for the death of the tree in his community back in their world that drives him back there in mere DAYS, and which would create the framework for Heimerdinger making a sacrifice to save Ekko feel meaningful rather than oddly just writing him out.

This also loops back around to the fact that from the moment that Viktor meets Reveck, he can see Reveck's dead daughter. He KNOWS what he's trying to save, and the lengths he's willing to go to in order to ensure that Viktor can fulfil his purpose because it'll bring his daughter back. It's the same reason that Silco would've given up Zaun to keep Jinx free and recontextualizes the two of them working together on Shimmer in the undercity, it's the same sense of loss & hopelessness that is emblematic of Jinx's trauma of losing Vander when Viktor's core is blown away by Jayce – because not even Viktor would sacrifice Vander to save himself, and was pushing himself past his limits because Vander was worth saving... and Vander felt that way about his daughters because it's what kept Warwick alive and gave Reveck real hope that he could actually bring her back – WHICH ULTIMATELY DOES HAPPEN because we see Orianna standing in her room at the end.

That's what would FINALLY give enough of the context to Ambessa & the Black Rose being a parent going above & beyond way too far for their child at the expense of what their child actually wants, because that drive ends up being more of a self-defining vendetta against the world that becomes their core purpose where it's no longer about their child but it's about them feeling that they were able to save their child in a way that they'd failed to do – Ambessa's son being murdered by the Black Rose because they thought that he was the child that she'd taken from them. Hence why Mel is still sympathetic towards her mother in the end despite all of the manipulation & destruction that she caused, which doesn't really have the necessary weight nor does it define what the threat is well enough for that to be clear, let along for Mel's CONSTANT subconscious emotional influence over everyone else's lives because of not knowing about her powers within her position in politics have time to be unpacked in just how deeply she ended up creating the circumstances that everyone experiences – hence the reason why Heimerdinger & everyone founded the city of Piltover in the first place.

It also adds in a layer of context & complexity around how her & Jayce are having sex in a scene where the visuals are being interwoven to Viktor's blood fusing into the Hexcore. There's a massive weight of that core conflict of Mel's history that fundamentally shapes the lives of everyone in the entire series, and it's why her & Ambessa's conflict as the escalation of the warmongering of the mages from other lands is of paramount importance to looking at things like the juxtaposition of the sovereignty of Zaun being countered with Ambessa puppeting Caitlyn in order to enforce Martial Law and place everyone under a system that she can control. She's used to working against something that can manipulate those things and win on TOP of having overwhelmingly powerful magical capabilities that will snatch you out of a room with astral thorns if your anti-magic defenses aren't up. She's paranoid out of necessity.

This once again reflects back into how she puppets people into positions where she can use their own motivations to achieve her own ends in a calculated & controlled way for her own safety that disregards everyone else as pawns that REALLY heavily pits that juxtaposition against the brand-new, bright-eyed, naive cadette Maddie as the perfect target for her to influence from both directions. She tells the story about seeing Caitlyn fighting to get Vi the rights to join the enforces & threatening to pull her family's funding, and that influence becomes the catalyst that actually gets Vi to join them. She sees Ambessa taking charge in the aftermath and putting Caitlyn in charge and again is still starstruck by that whole scenario, and gets nudged into a place where she's Caitlyn's trusted intimate partner, but the closer she gets to Caitlyn as this person she admires, the farther away Caitlyn grows towards her to the point that she won't give up that power that Ambessa recommended her for when it starts changing her as a person – and Maddie isn't able to get that to change, because she was explicitly manipulated into that role by Ambessa because she's the person with the LEAST amount of ability to reinforce her emotional influence over Caitlyn, since that is explicitly what Ambessa is creating systems to avoid.

That's why Maddie's line to Caitlyn is a reflection of that type of discarding and dehumanization that she's been slowly put through for months at the hands of the two people who she looked up to more than anyone else given her introductory dialogue. That's the kind of manipulation that echoes Mel's own weakness which is why Ambessa sent her away, and she intentionally disassociated herself from her family, because she KNOWS how dangerous her mother is to anyone where showing mercy will earn the exact opposite, because Mell watched her mom murder a child in front of her, which is where the whole conflict with the Black Rose emerged from in the first place. Maddie shooting at Caitlyn by Ambessa's order driven by both military obligation as well as out of a sense of justified betrayal by the person who she treasured most, and MEL'S magic being the thing that kills her for it is just gut-wrenchingly awful, because it's a reflection of Mel's trauma being intertwined with Caitlyn, given that she's Jayce's childhood friend who he always tried to go out of his way for.

I expect that there's a similar type of arc that's at play with Loris & Vi given that they have a reflection of that relationship, explicitly during the self-harm phase of Vi falling into her darkness both literally & metaphorically with fighting, drinking, and amplifying all of the self-protective & hard outer shell elements of her relationship that have constantly created issues in her life, while Loris is always shown just watching from the background and being around to try and help her despite herself. Given that we meet him in the gutter surrounded by bottles, it's very clear that he recognizes that path as one that's utlimately going to put her in a bad place, but she's rejecting that in the same way that Caitlyn is breaking that connection with Maddie. It's more of the cyclical traumatic influences being interconnected to one another with those two new key characters who we don't get enough time to get to know fully.

That's what puts Vi into such a particular place when Jinx shows up as the icon of the Undercity that Vi was supposed to have been that puts her into a different role, where the whole reason Jinx is there is because Vander's her dad, too. The other thing that this glosses over is that this moment in the story is addressing that there's a vacuum in Vi's life that's stemming from a mirror to something that we've seen before – Jinx & Silco. There's a big & messy layer of complexity in those types of relationships when someone's at a point in their life where they're broken and there's someone who's looking out for them, and that sort of thing is why I referred to the "goth bi Vi" phase as such, because there's that thing where she needs a source of stability, but she's constantly running away from it no matter how well it's caring for her because that trauma of losing Vander isn't healed and she felt that it was on her for not being strong enough. Vander wouldn't have had to step in if she could beat that Shimmered-up bully on her own – especially since she let him walk away when he threatened her with a knife in the very first episode.

Vi's still dealing with that trauma, and so when she's in the midst of a self-destructive spiral, Loris is watching out for her, because it's established at the same time Maddie's character is that he's watching more closely than he lets on, and he's also intimately familiar with this particular type of self-destructive behaviour from his own experience. However, that kindness & love is just going to reinforce her own feelings of helplessness which is what's fueling her impulse to fight and push away, which is why it's imperative that Jinx is the one extending the olive branch to mend that broken bond by reuniting with the person that they both lost in a way that's at the foundation of how they had originally repaired the trauma of both of their parents dying on the bridge up from the Undercity that fundamentally defines the existential conflict that they're battling against.

Vi not being the emblem of the Undercity while Jinx is holds specific weight in the context of her meaning to be the thing that reformed the bond between Piltover & the Undercity by bringing Jinx in – which is initially when Jinx was attempting to coordinate a situation where Vi killed her, but Isha intervened and so at the last second, nothing went the way that she planned (again, Jinx's core trauma), and where she lashes out at Caitlyn over acting like Jinx for trying to kill Jinx when a kid could've gotten hurt – exactly what Vi was doing when her & Jayce raided the Shimmer facility and a kid got killed which lead to the terrorist attack in the first episode of Season 2. There are all of those intermingled complexities of Vi & Caitlyn's relationship that specifically breaks apart & rejoins with the other members of that unit in order to try and recover from them – but we don't see enough of those to be able to understand the context of those people as individuals who are just as much a core part of the story as the Season 1 characters are.

That's why those two specifically are points where the weakness of their portrayal is the easiest way to pinpoint where the writing is weak, because they most visibly lose out important development and come across as 1 dimensional background NPCs or pawns rather than being genuine people whose role in the story is an important part of the overall tapestry that gets truncated and cut short in other ways that's a bit easier to detail in poking around at the parts of the story that we don't see, but that given the way Season 1 was written it's almost CERTAIN that those are details that existed because they're still a part of the framework to the underlying character motivations & cyclical trauma, but the way in which those things get portrayed at a breakneck pace that doesn't take more care in emphasizing what parts of that are vibes vs. what parts of the story are key information ends up making all of that difficult to discern without revisiting and doing all of the reading between the lines for the story, because it's not doing it on its own any more.

It's the moments where things get emotionally mischaracterized that bother me the most (Maddie & Loris being the most apparent), but there are nuances to everyone's relationships, the struggles that they face, and how they change that makes it feel like some of those things end up in a weird place where there's a delivery that doesn't always match the emotion of what that story looks like from multiple directions, which is what I love the most about the first season.

There are details that I really miss like Jayce & Caitlyn as childhood friends since her family sponsored him, and they have such an interesting sibling-but-not-sibling relationship, which makes the fact that Vi is intertwined with the person whose house she robbed that started all of those hardships, but also catapulted both of them into their positions exceptionally interesting as a dynamic. Jayce & Viktor have a really heartfelt & loving friendship, and even while Mel can't help but have magic that's interconnected to her emotions in ways that impact both of them, she's always been understanding of that love in a way that doesn't overlap with their own romantic entanglements, and which the kaleidoscopic interconnection between them and the Hexcore doesn't really get enough moments for those elements to reevaluate each other as more & more things change with the three of them. Those same things apply to Ekko, Powder/Jinx, & Heimerdinger in being different sides of the old & new where they're drawn together to be happily together and to make a comfy home out of the tough times that they face despite all seeingly coming from walks of life that have absolutely nothing in common with one another.

They're all so interesting when they have more time to explore what those dynamics are, but that's only possible at certain points in the story & why it's important to take TIME with characters when they're in the thick of it to make sure that you're intentionally reinforcing all of those threads, which the single-character-focused episodic tangents in Season 2 can't really do, because they're either moving past developments that don't give things time to breathe or not focusing on the significance of the passage of time to change the status quo just because things are going to loop back into a familiar pattern. Just because Vi & Caitlyn are going to get back, or Jayce & Viktor are going to be reunited after Viktor leaves, or any of those other things isn't a reason to rush into those moments, because it loses on the understanding that you get from living through the LASTING IMPACT of those things, rather than just the shock of the event.

Everyone is well-interconnected, but those relationships are overly distilled in Season 2, and rather than making things more clear, everything ends up being more diluted for it – so hopping out of the spoilers now to cover that.



That's a good chunk of the core of the interconnected elements of where those stories SHOULD be VERY intertwined with the way that all of the story details are set up. It's not really that there're too many characters, but just that Season 2 REALLY needed to be two separate seasons to give all of the story enough TIME for those things to happen, and for us to experience moments that get montaged or off-screened, as a lot of those needed hold a huge enough of emotional weight in order for the other elements of the story to be able to reinforce those underlying links. The disparate storylines all have a connected thread IN THEORY that doesn't work out in execution, because we just don't get the moments that we need to for that.

Insofar as why that is – I'd expect that practically managing all of that storytelling & also understanding what the limitations of the budget & operational deadlines to make a show like in a way that looks this damn gorgeous is a REALLY difficult thing to do. Any piece of media from movies to shows is always going to run into some practical complications, but animation especially has a LOT of moving parts, and it's hard to tell a story like this.

For context: Into The Spider-Verse was announced in 2015 and came out in 2018, Across the Spider-Verse came out in 2023, and Beyond the Spider-Verse isn't likely to be out any time in 2025. That's a LONG TIME to tell a three-part story that's got a runtime that's WAY smaller than Arcane, but uses the same animation style that Arcane turned up to 11. Not to mention the impacts that the writers strikes & bad conditions for animation workers also have an impact on those sequels' development that's likely also something that hit Arcane as well.

The fact that Arcane season 1 came out in 2021 & then season 2 was in 2024 gives a pretty good idea that if they split it into 3 seasons, it wouldn't be resolved until at LEAST 2027 which would be only 3 seasons in 6 years. For comparison, another really excellent Netflix animation series with solid character writing is Castlevania which had 4 seasons in 5 years: 2017, 2018, 2020, & 2021. The difference there is Arcane would be looking at 3 year gaps between all of its seasons, whereas Castlevania had a new season every year except for one, and then a spinoff series Castlevania Nocturne has its first two seasons September 2023 & January 2025.

That kind of commitment also means that any other animated projects, budgets, or other things that they have in mind (which they've already mentioned they're pursuing) are already tied up in other things, or needed to be freed up to explore other stories, because it's not just Arcane that takes a long time to cook. "Project L" was announced in 2019, officially became "2XKO" in 2021, and is only likely arriving in 2025, the whole larger scale projects that League of Legends has been pouring a ton of resources into take a shitton of time, and are pretty incredible.

That's still something where there is still an operational limitation to what the teams can do, and with things as they were in the general landscape of complications that were happening during the window of Season 2's development, I'd expect that it just ended up not being feasible for a number of reasons to expand things beyond where they were at, or that real life things ended up leaving a mark on that quality that's not something that any singular individual has the ability to overcome.


It's why despite the criticisms that I have – it's a show that falls JUST shy of being a masterpiece when most shows don't even make it anywhere close to that threshold (even if I really enjoy them).




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It's why despite the criticisms that I have – it's a show that falls JUST shy of being a masterpiece when most shows don't even make it anywhere close to that threshold (even if I really enjoy them).

Oh yeah, I should say that I have SO much time for Arcane. It was ambitious, with every aspect, and I'll take something that tries to do something spectacular and different, but falls short over something blandly predictable any day.

Your post really helped me understand a lot more of the interconnectedness between the different plot lines and characters and what they were trying to achieve. I will go back and rewatch Arcane S1 (I'm sure part of my struggles were the big gap between the two seasons). It's such a shame they didn't get three seasons, I understand everything has to exist within certain commercial realities, but it would have given everything time to breathe.
 

Ite

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The one thing I thought maybe was a cop out was
making Viktor the mage who saved baby Jayce, it seemed a little like something they didn’t plan out from the beginning, but rather decided to do in S2 and justified it
but then on a rewatch I noticed that
Viktor’s musical leitmotif plays during that first scene.
meaning it was planned all along.

Perfect, perfect.
 
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Oh yeah, I should say that I have SO much time for Arcane. It was ambitious, with every aspect, and I'll take something that tries to do something spectacular and different, but falls short over something blandly predictable any day.

Your post really helped me understand a lot more of the interconnectedness between the different plot lines and characters and what they were trying to achieve. I will go back and rewatch Arcane S1 (I'm sure part of my struggles were the big gap between the two seasons). It's such a shame they didn't get three seasons, I understand everything has to exist within certain commercial realities, but it would have given everything time to breathe.

Glad I could be of assistance, and hopefully rewatching S1 comes with some interesting nuances for ya! Speaking of which:

The one thing I thought maybe was a cop out was
making Viktor the mage who saved baby Jayce, it seemed a little like something they didn’t plan out from the beginning, but rather decided to do in S2 and justified it
but then on a rewatch I noticed that
Viktor’s musical leitmotif plays during that first scene.
meaning it was planned all along.

Perfect, perfect.

That's REALLY neat! It's a really good way to've seeded that hint early on in a way that'd be hard to detect until you had the pieces to put together from Season 2.

Given all of the ways that the alternate realities are shown in Season 2, and the way in which he & his mom are teleported by showing the globe and his eye, it'd made me wonder if it's meant to have been implied that the Jayce that he saved there was shunted into an alternate reality rather than just transported geographically.

There's this element to it that makes it seem like from the vast perception that he gains during his total Ascension, Viktor becomes aware that the only thing that can possibly show him the way out is Jayce, and so he finds a reality to place Jayce & himself onto a connected path that eventually leads to that outcome. This is also why Ekko & Heimerdinger end up in a different alternate reality than the one Jayce find himself in, because Ekko & Heimerdinger are both actually from the same reality, whereas Jayce was ALWAYS from a different one to everyone else aside from everyone else but Viktor – the only two living entities who exist in the post-apocalyptic reality that he gets sucked into.

Again, while none of that's explicitly detailed for similar reasons to where it feels like Season 2 was rushed, there are still facets of that which feel like they're the guideposts that inform the underlying elements of the story even when it's been boiled down to a more minimal version of what's being presented. That being said it's not still without its inconsistencies in reaching that conclusion.

The details that throw me off about that the most are how post-Hexcore-transformation, Viktor always has this incredibly slow and hesitant movement in his new body because it's like a foreign object to him. Then when he finds his purpose within the commune, he's back to the more natural to his former-self of a slightly beleaguered gait that he carried himself with in Season 1 – because even though he's no longer sick, his use of magic is always a static channelling parts of himself into another being in a way that's draining power directly from himself. Then the other version of him that we see of the more Protoss-like post-acendance Viktor has this divine alien weightlessness about him where his use of his power seems to be a sort of effortlessness where it's as natural to him as breathing and there's not really anything that distinguishes how he's a pure embodiment of that energy made manifest.

The Season 1 mage Viktor that saves child Jayce MOVES in a way that's wholly unlike how any version of Viktor is shown in Season 2. This version of the mage that Jayce looks up to as a child feels like he's a human channelling a mighty command of that power through the crystal he has in-hand. It's this juxtaposition between what seem to be an old man suddenly having this energy of vitality & empowered physicality from the power that's surging through him with this purposeful strength that's nothing like how Viktor normally moves aside from the one brief moment in Season 1 where after his first transmutation with his leg, we see him changing from a cane-aided walked into a full-borne sprint. Those elements are a part of a design that match to the Season 1 mage, but we don't really see him in that kind of state or even using an external source of power after that point.

In addition to that is the fact when he gives the crystal to child Jayce, Mage Viktor's hands are very human with slightly elongated nails where his skin just has these tattooed markings on them, rather than the arcane-biomechanical form that post-attack-Hexcore-Viktor's body has. We never really see Viktor reach a return to those human aspects of himself, and so it's another one of those things that feels like there was an intention to get to those things, but that they weren't quite executed to the level of detail that would have made them work completely as shown.

Even within the presence of some inconsistencies – it's nice to be able to anchor to details of a consistent throughline that was planned early-on around that core concept. There're often alterations in the visual execution of how things are portrayed during development that change, and are things that can be overlooked like the hand. (Golum crawling through Moria in Fellowship of the Ring is one that always comes to mind, especially since even with all the updates and uncut versions of the The Two Towers & Return of the King, that scene has never been "special editioned" the way things in Star Wars have been relentlessly retconned, and both are very good examples about leitmotifs carrying themes for characters). It's why I love learning when there're things like the music or particular camerawor that can help show that the core design elements used for particular characters remain consistent even as some of the other design details about how to execute those details may not be a perfect match to everything that we see.


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Just HAD to throw out this quote because it makes me BEYOND pleased to hear. Given that Arcane had a $250 million budge, making it the most expensive animated show of all time, there've been some reports that the show was a financial miss because it didn't get more people to go buy League of Legends or make them a bunch of money to offset what they spent on it. The co-creator responded to that:

"We are not focused on the short-term extraction of profits - we are focused on delivering exceptional value to our audience over the long term, again and again and again."

There're some more quotes within a Reddit thread here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1hkpgj8/_/m3gqk6x
Given that budget, it's pretty understandable that there's an incentive to keep it to 2 seasons, but also hats off to them for prioritizing the storytelling over just seeing it as a profit-generating tool. A lot of storytelling falls short because it's being produced & measured by its capacity as a content machine to make money. It's especially good to know that a show that stands out like this is doing so loudly and antithetically to that end.

It reminds me a lot of what Baldur's Gate 3 has been doing in openly and vocally criticizing live service and other predatory gaming models who produce content that isn't designed first & foremost to be the best that it can be for their intended audience, and Arcane being able to stand up in that same way for things in the animated space just makes me overwhelmingly glad.



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I finished it and I'm rewatching it. Truly amazing stuff. I did think the quality of the writing took a dip in season 2, but the excitement and plot stuff of the second half made up for it. Plus there are some amazing animation/ music edits.

Do I love it more than Blue Eye Samurai? No... but it's really really good. And sadly very rare.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
Also re: music

There's a lot of great songs from season 2 but this one is so good. It's the most real take on thinking about someone while masturbating I've ever heard xD


Super bonus that the artist is lesbian too
 
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I love King Princess. She said she wrote it while drunk on an airplane heading to shag her lover which makes a lot of the lyrics make sense:

“I just want to be a good passenger”
“Watch American classics, drink champagne out of plastic”
“When you’re down there being a doll” ;)
 

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Great Old One
@Ite oh damn, well that does makes sense with the American classics and champagne out of plastic (do they serve junk on airplanes though?), though I really did think 'higher than God' meant orgasming and not being on a plane... I'm sticking with my version :lol:
 
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Ahahaha why did I think they sing "I wanna eat junk" when it's "I wanna get drunk"

lmao this is like when artists didn't print the lyrics in the booklet on the CD and we all thought Bryan Adams had his first sex dream
 
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As expected, I've got some
"Sometimes taking a leap forward means leaving a few things behind."

Singed left behind – his position at the academy, his relationship with Heimerdinger, his prestige, his safety, his well-being, his sanity, his morals, any ability to have real friendship with others, his physical health, etc. The question is what "forward" is, and what qualifies as progress.

Additoinally, Silco paired with people who were UNLIKE him on purpose, because he needed that capability from what others could do that he couldn't. That's why when he lost Singed after the explosion, he needed Jinx's capabilities even more. Silco valued Jinx both as the child of their mutual friend, and also because they were what one another needed. Genuinely. He valued & supported her for what she was amidst all the broken trauma that she underwent trying to be Powder again and not being able to leave that terrified & traumatized version of herself behind. Silco knows because that's what he lived through with Vander, and why his physical affliction from that with his eye is where his vulnerability & most unguarded dependence upon her exists. It's why her "baptism" is that same thing to try to get the voices to be silent, that's what the whole confrontation in the S1 Finale is about, and why even with all that care & nurturing, Silco didn't make Jinx – VI DID. Vi is trying to bring her sister Powder back rather than love her for who she is now. When she's making her sister remember everything – all of those traumas & voices start screaming in Jinx's head again, making her have a mental breakdown. Silco is trying to protect Jinx the way she is now and give her a purpose that works with everyone else despite those issues. That's why Silco tries to kill Vi when she won't stop, and why Jinx's reflexive defence of shooting Silco is what she regrets – and why she chooses that Jinx chair.

The point in highlighting all of that is that those are the same things that Vi & Jinx go through to try and separate Vander from Warwick/the Beast. They're trying to retrieve something precious and take a second chance, to bring it back from the dead, and it's something that all of them are willing to attempt – Vi, Jinx, AND Viktor. The same path to a solution isn't what makes that a good or a bad thing. Viktor isn't willing to sacrifice Vander, but when Jayce attacks the Hexcore and Vander is lost for good – Viktor will accept using Warwick's blood to ensure that he can heal others – without the limitation destroying himself. Viktor knows what Singed's motives are, and it's all just context of the situation, and how that builds up for when that is or isn't something that's morally what matches the obligation everyone set out with.

After Vander's death, Silco is the perfect complimentary partner to Jinx & Sevika that's necessary to maintain everything that Vander kept under control within a very different and more brutal framework that prioritizes results. If people in the undercity are going to die no matter what – allowing people to keep dying without making any actual progress towards that becoming the nation of Zaun is unacceptable. Vander's the one who's stuck in a limbo like Heimerdinger where the stability and mutual safety is maintaining a peace whilst simultaneously making a status quo that quietly fails everyone, because he knows he's the one who's accountable if/when it goes wrong. Silco can shoulder that pain because he didn't have anything left to lose... until Jinx came along. Silco's primary lesson from his schism with Vander is that power isn't people who have more, it's people who will continue to pursue and take that no matter what – which is true of all the forces that they have to overcome to be victorious.

Singed & Jinx are fundamentally incompatible because they're too similar – both of them are ruined by a familial loss that's fundamentally unrecoverable, and Singed was the one using her dad as the catalyst for an experiment on his resilience. Jinx would have been NOTHING to Singed. She would never be more than another subject for his experiments and not someone he cared about or for in any way whatsoever, because Jinx is DEEPLY emotionally needy, and Singed is completely emotionally detached. Silco gives that power up FOR JINX as soon as he refuses to trade her for Zaun's independence, but SINGED is the one who has the age & patience to really understand what you have to sacrifice if you ACTUALLY believe in that singular purpose and love for someone above all else. He knows what you have to give up to try and escape death when Viktor is still a child. He has the patience to go through literal DECADES of whatever he needs to make progress towards his goal no matter what. This is the most apparent in his exchange with Ambessa:

Ambessa: "In my experience – only guilty men answer accusations with silence."
Singed: "In my experience – no one in power is innocent."

Singed KNOWS that he's not innocent because he's pursuing a power that no one else has, and is willing to work with whoever has it at the level that he requires, or exist being alone for as long as is necessary. Even when first meeting Viktor, he says that they can be loners together –because Viktor's presence isn't going to change anything for him. He's intelligent enough to understand that the hole that exists that he's looking to repair from his daughter's death won't be repaired by anything else, so he doesn't expect it. It's why he's always calm about things no matter how dire or wretched the circumstances. It's the same reason Ambessa causes all the war & destruction of life to make sure that her daughter is the fox AND the wolf, no matter the costs to any & everyone else... AND AMBESSA ALSO SUCCEEDS AT THAT SAME AMBITION TO SAVE HER CHILD NO MATTER WHAT IT COSTS.

Singed saves Jinx but sedates Silco, because he knows that Silco is too emotionally close to Jinx to endure the experience of seeing the suffering that the process of her survival will necessitate. He's cold & pragmatic... but he's not unnecessarily cruel ever, because he's acting out of love – thus he's only ever working with people when they share mutual ambitions. While he's willing to undertake absolutely monstrous steps to get there, he doesn't abuse that unnecessarily or wield power for anything other than ONE purpose that is only to remove the fear of death from being something that anyone else ever has to face. He unleashes Warwick when Ambessa's war troops are persecuting the people of the Underground and violence is necessary. He's looking for the right catalyst to recover the person inside Warwick, because just reviving the body isn't sufficient when it comes to restoring his daughter. That's why Viktor's powers are the key that he needs to complete the revival of his daughter so that she's ACTUALLY alive – because Singed DOES ABSOLUTELY know the difference.

He understands that the drive that kept Vander's persona alive is ALSO what brought him back after he'd become the beast (Warwick) – his love for his daughters. Again, EXACTLY the same thing that he understands losing from experience, but he's never recovered because he hasn't been able to glimpse that reality the way Warwick did when he saw Jinx, so it didn't occur to him until he studied it. Singed has emotionally detached himself from for everyone else other than just him and his own daughter, so saving her might mean the parts of himself that he lost come back – the same way that the parts of Powder that she lost come back when Isha comes into her life... or it could just mean that it highlights that they're impossible to recover the way it did with Vi trying to make Jinx back into Powder at the end of S1.

The core difference is that everyone else in the show aside from Vander, Silco, Ambessa, & Singed are a child building something new, and experiencing loss as a part of maturing. Jinx is the only one who experiences the loss of her parents, sibling, adoptive parents, AND as the parent to an adoptive child. No matter which direction she goes, she keeping losing things & living through them. That's where this particular line comes back to haunt things,

"Sometimes taking a leap forward means leaving a few things behind."

...Just how many losses can you endure before whatever you find by leaping forward STILL leaves you with even less every time, and more and more broken? When is it necessary to just break that cycle by taking control however you have it?

There's a famous experiment in the 1950s by Curt Richter which shows that wild rats will give up & drown after a couple hours trapped in a bucket because they have no idea how to conceive another way out so their body & mind gives up. Domesticated rats can swim for DAYS before they drown... But if you take a wild rat at the point of drowning, take it out, dry it off, and let it recover, the next time it's in the bucket it'll swim for days because it knows something else to expect and that the situation isn't hopeless. But the issue here is – How many times can you put that same rat back in the bucket before it learns that that's the only thing that it's ever going to experience is struggle and then drowning? This is why Jinx is too exhausted and focuses on breaking the cycle – by ending it with her own death.

THAT is what Singed is ultimately attempting to fight against – death itself and all the pain & fear it causes. He knows what that fear is, and how it not only drives this detached desperation that makes people the worst versions of themselves, but that it also breaks people who have been through too much, because that's an inevitable truth that you cannot EVER escape... but only IF you accept that death is inescapable.

If you want to have even the most slim technical victory over that, what would you have to give up? For how long? How much inescapably bleak, impossibly damned, endlessly doomed paths would you have to walk down? How long could you maintain the patience & focus necessary for that? How much of your own body failing you could you put up with? How much would you absolutely reject just treating the death of your child as being something beyond your power? When is that power something that's too far for you to succeed? Well, what does the series show us?

Vander vs. losing Vi to Piltover?
– Vander wins.
Silco vs. losing Jinx to Piltover?
– Silco wins.
Jayce vs. Viktor dying to the attack on the Council?
– Jayce wins.
Ambessa vs. losing Mel to the Black Rose?
– Ambessa wins.
Singed vs. losing Orianna to death?
– Singed wins.

Do ANY of those look like victories? No. Not really. They're all an inescapable part of the same fucked up cycle...

The real question is whether the end result was forward progress or not. Did it achieve something GOOD, or was it just attempting to alleviate the suffering of the person fighting, and thus just repeating the consequences and spreading that harm to everyone else around them? So what if they didn't win?

Jinx vs. Isha dying to the same cycle that Powder survived as a kid?
Jinx loses.

Is the seeming disruption of the cycle that's still in the same loop for the survivor a better end result? No. No it isn't.

So... is it weakness to give up on that? Also, no. There's an interview with a Japanese woman from the atomic bombings in the film Black Rain (the documentary, not the one by Ridley Scott) where after their parents died, her sister jumped in front of a train. She went the next day, having lost even more... but couldn't make herself do it. She described it by saying that Her sister had the strength to die, but she had the strength to live. Decades later, she still missed them every day. Neither of those is better than the other, they're just differences in what cognitive barriers your stress responses will allow you reject when you've been through unimaginable loss, and the power that you have is so very VERY insignificant to make any difference.

That's why Jinx has that glimmering possibility of not having killed herself, and how we can imagine her just taking an airship to another land, but it's never explicitly shown. It's the ability to imagine a world where the person you loved escaped somewhere else, so that you can live your own live and keep moving forward – which is what Jinx was giving Vi when she left her in the prison cell before attempting to blow herself up. She's tired of being a jinx on the people that she loves, because living through that in an endless cycle is HARROWING – because she never has the power that she thinks she does. She's been through so much that she describes being with Isha as like wearing glasses where she can't tell if everything is blurry or clear. She doesn't have a solid foundation for what normal is because she NEVER gets to keep it. Jinx is always rendered powerless to the things that matter most to her regardless of what she achieves so long as she's around.

That's the problem with power. If the power to change something is something that you CAN achieve – not doing that is wrong. If that power is impossible for you to obtain – not accepting that limitation and moving on is wrong, because refusing that will make everything WORSE. That's EXACTLY what happened when she rejected that Vi told her she couldn't help them save Vander and made the bomb that killed Mylo, Clagger, & ruined everything. That's the whole reason why these stories are morally complex ...because the ends CAN justify the means – depending on what they achieve with the power they're chasing.

The Underground trying to mount a rebellion at the wrong time against Piltover would have gotten all of them slaughtered. That's why Jayce makes the treaty with Silco – because he knows that Piltover will absolutely massacre them otherwise, and that cycle of oppression will continue just like it did with Vander & Heimerdinger otherwise. If Ambessa doesn't protect her daughter's powers from the Black Rose no matter the cost, Mel will become a weapon of war whose horrors will utterly eclipse everything Ambessa is capable of, and brings the Mages into Piltover which is the whole purpose that the city was founded to avoid. What's the cost of failure & what's the price of success?

Singed's cost of failure is just the status quo that everyone else accepts – death. The price is the same as what everyone he aligns with is willing to pay anyway for their own motivation. That's because he's already given up every having anything other than that one singular ambition, so the only thing he needs is... patience, which comes to him with age. He's always making progress, one step at a time – and he never forces others to join him until they align with him of their own interest. Even while the nature of his experiments are monstrously inhumane by definition, he's not abusing his power he's just emotionally detached any assessing the necessity of that work as a scientist, because anything else is wasting time.

Simplifying things into a win & loss doesn't work for this kind of story, nor does trying to see if something is a "happy ending" – but especially when you don't have anything other than a VERY brief glimpse of what the conclusion is. Every one of those narratives has a monumentally complex and delicately contextual moral position that will flip 180° if you take the smallest shift in scope for how you assess that metric. All those characters measure success & morality on different scales to one another, and so there isn't REALLY a correct answer other than he did achieve his goal.

The most likely outcome for Singed is that while Orianna is back – it can never be in a way that will repair the loss he experienced, because HE is no longer the father that she lost because of what he did and what he endured. That's also probably something that he already knows. There is an inherent tragedy because he can save her, but can't save himself – and if she attempts to save him in return, it's likely that she'll lose things about the person that she was because that's the whole nature of being trapped in that cycle. That's why it all comes back to how Singed & Orianna face the same question that everything else revolves around in where things are at now:

"SOMETIMES taking a leap forward means leaving a few things behind."



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While I think that it does primarily do a good job with that message, I think one of the things that I fundamentally disagree with is that indifference & apathy come about because of the collective unification of consciousness, and that this somehow creates the absence of emotion rather than resulting in the absolute opposite of that. The nature of how that ties in to the existential experience of personal identity, purpose, & individuality are the "I'm 17 and this is deep" part of the story that's oversimplified in a way that doesn't quite hit the notes it needs to for those themes, but especially for one that it has previously hit on with SUCH acute accuracy into the dynamics of mental health and the underlying mechanisms that drive character actions in the first season.

Emotional responses are part of being a system of biochemistry, and the balance between being overwhelmed by them and tempering them with experience is simply the duality of the dynamic between lower & higher brain function. Lower brain function is raw sensory & survival primary formed through biological nature, whereas higher brain function is contextual & analytical and more directly impacted by environment. It's not just as simple as "nature vs. nurture" or even "emotions vs. logic" so much as it is subconscious survival reflexes vs. conscious survival planning – both of those things can be damaged. Viktor being a healer and eliminating pain to form his commune isn't erasing the joy of the people there, nor is it removing their individuality. Everything that he does with Warwick/Vander shows that he's sacrificing parts of himself to heal them, and to allow them to overcome that and be the people that they were, so that they didn't have to just accept pain as an inescapable structure of control over them – the same way that Zaun didn't have to accept Piltover having control over it. That type of suffering DESERVES disdain & rejection – not acceptance. That needs to be rejected not JUST by the one suffering from it, but by those with the power to assist in overcoming it – but the help needs to be given by the terms of the one suffering – which is the entire premise of the series.

Vi can't dictate who Jinx is and make her back into Powder just like Silco can't dictate who Powder is and make her into Jinx. That's why Jayce dictating Viktor's survival by refusing to honor his DNR request and using the Hex Core to keep him alive is a betrayal of trust. Who Viktor & Jinx are as a result of that is something that they both take their own undesired messianic paths to heal from on their own terms. The issue with that is that when you're living with pain that is fundamentally inescapable, you HAVE no true agency over it. Jinx being a jinx is why that gets to the point of being so overwhelming that she makes the "choice" to kill herself, which is only because she doesn't have the strength left to choice another path that is permanently trapped by that suffering. Thus, Ekko intervenes to help show her the path to survival that she can't see herself. It's about not being beholden to something that's inescapable but which is FUNDAMENTALLY a suffering that you can be freed from.

Everything in Viktor's commune is at peace, because they don't have to attempt to have a flawed translation of their own experiences to one another through the limitation of normal human communication tools. They're linked mentally, and they have reached peace through understanding with one another as an extension of being able to be healed from the chronic suffering that Shimmer or debilitating injury wrought on them. It's only the external factors of Jayce refusing to accept that change which creates the conflict by forcing pain back into that – which LITERALLY starts by him arriving and murdering a cripple who's given back the ability to walk.

This escalating to Jayce's near-assassination of Viktor is what leads to everyone's collective pain returning as the parts that had repaired them failed – hence Singed approaching Viktor and framing the issue of needing Warwick's body to keep him alive so that he could maintain the colony that he'd build, while refusing to sacrifice Vander's individuality in order to achieve that. This is why his ascendance is also the burning away of the watercolor memories we saw as Vander was getting back his own individual identity from beneath the pain & survival trauma of the Beast which had overshadowed it, whilst simultaneously being Viktor letting go of his own emotional pain in the form of Skye, and why he would no longer feel the sense of pain over missing their talks together after his full ascension. It's the loss of one man to repair everyone else, and the simultaneous erasure of the overpowering emotion that had prevented him from being saved at the same time.

The post-assassination ascendance into the more robotic shells is an even more deeply networked collective consciousness between everyone in an attempt to prevent that type of misunderstanding from happening again. The complexity here is that it's unclear where that power dynamic would exist, which is why it's co-opted as a tool of Ambessa's conquest in order to position it with a moral alignment that it fundamentally lacks. This only all occurs because everyone's experience of the balance between their own raw sensory data doesn't have equal input from others to help shape it, and communication breaks down to create conflict ...unless there's someone like Mel who has been subconsciously using the Arcane to manipulate everyone's empathy to align them to one another in spite of what they may have chosen on their own. The series has shown using empathy as a tool to REMOVE that choice from others just as much as it emphasizes the importance of it in forming understanding with one another, but it doesn't manage to show why Mel's application in Season 1 is any less of a violation than Viktor's in Season 2 – as she even subconsciously uses that power to artificially save herself & Jayce from death, and then intentionally uses it as a power to fight with & guard others against Viktor... but it doesn't take a closer look at why it wants one of those to be noble and the other to be anathema.

While Childhood's End is the foundation for all of these stories – even beyond that there is no reason to think that being somehow disconnected from emotion would bring about that sort of stagnation & apathy that Jayce sees in his post-apocalyptic world, as Vulcans in Star Trek have existed for over half a century as an examination of how the absence of emotion isn't an absence of individuality or curiosity. Even the introduction of the Borg's assimilation in 1989 is predicated upon the framework that they're feared because it's the overt removal of choice and the erasure of the individual into the will of the collective... but Arcane's ascendance eliminates emotion rather than individuality – Jayce's presence within ascended Viktor's mind shows that he still sees the mindscape of everyone there as an interconnected individual.
That alone is sufficient as a source of internally unique aspects of a collective which is just fundamentally untrue for how human beings are. Simple things like curiosity and the unknown continue to drive action & purpose, even just as much as enjoying the fact that every sunrise & sunset are still unique experiences. There is no sudden erasure of purpose when insight into others erases the core source of conflict. This is why it's important to address what empathy is and even what a sense of belonging, community, and individual even are in the first place and how this is territory that has been DEEPLY explored any why it's important to look at the foundation of those questions & what's been explored by them.

The balance of those individual experiences and the attempts to try to share them with one another despite the functional limitations that we have as human beings is what relationships & community are. It's driven by an artificially externalized recreation of the singular individual existence that we are thrust into when we lose the non-dual relationship that we have with our mother upon birth. We stop being a single shared biological entity and become separate individuals. This is why the Japanese novel, film, & game Parasite Eve tackle this facet of individuality & the fact that even within our bodies all the way down at a singular cellular level, we are a collective symbiotic existence that ultimately has to defer to the will of one for the benefit of all, and why it's focused around representing that entity through the Mitochondrial Eve, and attempting to give birth to the Ultimate Lifeform that has the Mitochondria take charge over the Nucleus as the dominant driving will from a sub-cellular level to alter that fundamental relationship. This has links to familial lineage as Mitochondria are inherited only from the mother, so the real world Mitochondrial Eve was a real person who existed ~155,000 years ago and is just the Mitochondrial-Most Recent Common Ancestor of current humanity, which scientifically is like how there is also a Y-Chromosomal Adam as a Y-Chromosome Most Recent Common Ancestor but where that goes back ~200,000-300,000 years). All of humanity is already a massively extended familial group, and we choose to focus on human beings as the scale for when individuality matters – but that's not necessarily an absolute truth about life or existence – but it is important when looking at how we experience life, but especially in regards to growing up and what we experience about the world through the lens we have.

This is why early childhood development that leads to the various traumas from parental loss when child's minds are still developing create the types of traumas that the Season 1 of Arcane very acutely depicts. The trauma & ways that this shapes both individual developmental relationships like Powder's strongly dependent relationship upon Vi after their parents die, and it manifests differently based on their age & the relationship dynamic in which they exist, which is part of a wider social relationship between Piltover & the Undercity. The constraints of that as a mechanism to cause pain and the forced acceptance of being underneath the authority figure and forced into a life of illness & suffering is a result of a breakdown of trust & communication – hence why Mel's subconscious manipulation of the empathy of everyone around her is what starts to shape the entire city into HER vision of Piltover even when that doesn't agree with what Jayce & Viktor want. There's pushback and conflict around that interconnected relationship that is messy & complicated, and ultimately is trapped by terminal illness and other suffering that they're attempting to solve – as Viktor's own health is an extension of the fact that he grew up disabled and unhealthy because he's from the Undercity, and like with the initial catalyst to bar Jayce from the Academy, the conflict is around the limitations of individuals to be able to have the space or the authority to communicate the importance of their needs to one another in a way that is appropriately recognized.

The limitations of how we interface with one another is something that Ghost in the Shell: SAC explored over 20 years ago in overt detail, given that the Section 9 cyborgs can not only brain dive to sync to one another directly, but can also directly share raw sensory data with all of the built-in individual emotional responses as well over a digital network. The artificial intelligences in the Tachikomas are all identical and synchronize all of their data every night, and yet they still develop individuality within their respective shells simply through minor differences in those physical forms shaping their individual curiosity. It emphasizes that speaking and language are different type of communication because they're not effective data transfer tools. It's all about the phenomenon of a copy to manifest even in the absence of any original, and also for an individual to still be able to come about despite the complete interconnection of collective experience. It fundamentally emphasizes that perspective of what & when an individual exists isn't always cut & dry, but also dives monumentally DEEPLY into the core history & philosophy of all of those concepts.

That's why, not only is sudden emergence of indifference & apathy inaccurate in a collective, or the absence of emotion or empathy something that would vanish within an individual inaccurate just from a real-world neurobiological & psychological perspective – even from a fictionalized standpoint this is fundamentally antithetical to the core existential points about this reunification being symbolic of humanity overtly no longer being attached to the illusion of choice that individual pain forces us to experience that leaves us forever trapped as individual children desperate to be understood, but lacking the tools to achieve true understanding. That's why the novel that established this idea is literally called, "Childhood's End" as it represents an uncomfortable and alien transcendence of humanity into a form that the adults are left rejecting as their children are collectively unified and move beyond them. The conflict is because the adults are being left behind, and so the inherent power dynamic is unclear, as it's not the adult's place to enforce a power dynamic to force the psychically empowered children to disconnect and live a human existence the way they did. They evolve into a hive mind that is fundamentally different from what came before, and leave the last adults behind on Earth in a way that permanently transcends the existential pain that we have at birth.

It frames existence in a way that forces you to understand that all of your own cells are a unified collection of individual living things. The way in which we choose to categorize what makes a life individual from one another is DEEPLY complicated, and doesn't have a clear answer the deeper you dig into the foundation of those existential questions both from a philosophical and from a biological standpoint. This gets even more messy when you start to marry those themes together with MAGIC the way that Arcane does, and also why it's important to fully understand the existential question that you're attempting to address if this is the form of story that you want to use in order to do that.

While narratives like Neon Genesis Evangelion focused on a similar narrative conflict about the souls & human experience where the core mechanic of the Evangelions is that they are created from the souls of the child's mother, so that when Shinji or Asuka are put into the plugs where they exist inside a womb-like liquid environment, that non-dual synchronization is what allows them to operate the Evangelion as though it was their own body, as well as why when it goes berserk – it's a schism between the body, mind, & soul of the child from that of the Evangelion made from their mother. The entire series is focused deeply on helplessness, abandonment, depression, and the emotional inability to accept oneself and value that's necessary in order to become an adult. The A.T. field is the concept of what separates the soul and individuality from one being and another at an existential level (and why it's still Japanese slang around introverts who struggle to open up and connect). It overtly looks at what a collective unification of everything would be and how the inability to recognize others is what erases the self – but that's only because in this context, the mind gives form to the self, and the pure unification of everything is indistinguishable from nothingness, which is why Shinji's self-acceptance comes about in the rejection of the Human Instrumentality Project. Even just listening to the presentation from that finale is just... perfect because it's presented as an explanation.


In Rebuild of Evangelion, that same core message is re-examined where the answer is that you just have to grow up, and make your own life, rather than being constantly controlled by the circumstances around you or shaped by those pains. It's not JUST acceptance, and it's not just control either. It's a messy answer because it's an answer about the human experience, and those solutions aren't a one-size-fits all, but that the answers to those questions have to be VERY specifically considered in the context of the narrative message that they're telling. The message of Evangelion of rejecting that collective ascension and Childhood's End of embracing it are both correct, because they're utilizing the framework of that existential narrative structure to examine different experiences that have radically different perspectives that you have to take into account to understand why those paths are appropriate and not contradictory. in Evangelion, Shinji doesn't have choice and is an asset of his father and others to be the catalyst to the Human Instrumentality Project, whereas in Childhood's End the parents have to accept that their children are something else that has changed beyond them and that they cannot constrain into the form of what humanity has been before simply because they're uncomfortable with it.

These are a deeply fundamental and extensively explored concept that takes radically different approaches to what the end answer is, and how that interconnects to experiences of trauma as diametrically opposed conflict, and inescapable existential isolation. Final Fantasy VII marries magic & science when exploring a blurring lines of identity between Cloud & Sephiroth as they're unified by Jenova's cells drawing them together in Reunion. They & their mother are a singular existence and Cloud as a Sephiroth Copy even as Sephiroth becomes the will that controls Jenova's cells is a direct extension of the scientific concepts around existential loss where parts of this were split out into Parasite Eve which shows more cinematic influence from John Carpenter's The Thing for alien assimilation even as FFVII maintains a much closer link to how that all plays out, and why Cloud's battle is one with his own trauma the same as Sephiroth's as they're both victims of tragedy and their mother dying leaving them with an irreparable rift – but that existential ambiguity is what makes Sephiroth's role one where if he has the power to create a world that's free from that pain, not doing that would be an injustice. Hence why the FFVII Remake Project has to re-tread those concepts from a perspective that's more complex given that it's a story that's been told and the limitations of free will are fundamentally different from the original work, but at its core there is a nihilistic anguish from an eternal existence being unable to return to the Planet in death, which fuels the conflict with the Remnants in Advent Children as well as with the Gi and Black Materia in Rebirth. that have a relationship to the Planet as a means to be reunited to a lost mother, as well as reunified with the Lifestream and the lives of all those in order to allow those things to persist, rather than to reject that pain and erase everyone else simply as a means of self-soothing to reject a trauma, rather than to allow that to fade into memory.

Even as those science fiction & psychic themes became more & more intertwined, those are the same things that StarCraft used to frame the differences of the psychic interconnection of the Protoss in juxtaposition to the assimilating Hive Mind of the Zerg as the result of the Xel'naga attempting to create a perfect mind & perfect body and then to unify those into a new existence, where the psychic capabilities of the Terrans through Sarah Kerrigan being abandoned results in that self-justified wrath & indiscriminate individual dominance of Kerrigan over the swarm to become a dark tool where the person that you loved gets left for dead by someone who betrayed them, placed into a Chrysalis by an antagonistic force, and is then reborn into a strange, cold, alien with unparalleled power – exactly like Viktor, except that Kerrigan maintains all of her cunning & emotional capacity and wields it like a weapon, and she is no longer who she once was by the end of BroodWar such that her victory FEELS cathartic but that conquest is ultimately a loss... except that the Xel'naga still represent an even greater threat where that power may be a necessary tool in order to overcome an even greater system of control – which leaves the end of the original game expansion brilliantly ambiguous such that Terran, Protoss, & Zerg factions all have an ending that's neither a total win or a loss, simply an upending of the status quo that throws all of those systems and alliances into question.

This is where it's important to understand the role of the Atheist God in dismantling systems of power where there is an absolute being. If you want the thing fighting against that system of control like Cloud, Kerrigan, or Jayce to be the good guy... they have to take up the role of Asura rising against Indra – which is about a transcendental escape from a system that necessitates creating a cycle that gives artificial purpose and agency to suffering itself. It's the Samsara cycle of Buddhism and the reason that modern Japanese heroes shifted away from being the prodigious Indra-like character who represents the ideal form of ascended perfection, and embraced the gritty rebellious underdog standing against them in order to bring about something completely different. This can't JUST be a return to the status quo, but it typically represents a total dismantling of the world & conflict and presents a complete apocalypse that ushers in an advent to something that is somewhat unknown or unknowable. This is the what you have in the endings of Princess Mononoke, Final Fantasy VII, Evangelion, and multiple other stories where the existential trauma of fighting against the injustices of a world that no longer exists in the way that damaged you and overcoming the reaction to perpetuate that cycle of harm upon others, and shattering the mechanism by which it is able to do that is fundamentally altered.

Arcane follows that path... but it reverts things into the way that they were before simply by unifying against a common enemy without understanding what it is. Ambessa is utilizing it as a weapon, but how does Viktor exist beyond that. Viktor's ascension to perfection REMOVES suffering and eliminates this false dependency upon it... and that's a path to Enlightenment, whereas Jayce subverting that is creating a reality in which needless suffering happens in order to present the illusion of choice in a way that doesn't truly create healing or new opportunity, which is exemplified in the way that it closes out the story with Jinx and her barely maybe ambiguous fate. In order to follow that model, EVERYTHING would need to be systemically altered such that it cannot return to how it was before. In Princess Mononoke, both the Forest God AND Iron Town are destroyed, in the ending of Final Fantasy VII Meteor, Holy, AND the Lifestream all come together to leave a wholly different world behind where life eventually returns but humanity's presence is unclear aside from the sounds of children's laughter. Asura's Wrath being a stylized adaptation of those religious narratives is all about obliterating a system of manipulation that used humanity as a resource and used his daughter, and while it killed him, she was still free to live and he was finally free of the framework that had wrought that cyclical system of pain.

Sometimes there IS no perfect answer, which is how themes like this continued into games like Bloodborne examining the existentially inescapable isolation of the Great Ones being unable to have offspring who aren't just still themselves – meaning they're always abandoned aging orphans longing for connection to others that's impossible to maintain. Thus the closest thing that they have is manifesting the reality from within a dream whilst using another being as a host for that dream. No matter which path you take to free yourself for that cycle, you're forced to give something up, your friends, your mind, or your existential humanity. All three can be motivated by love or malice, and there is no perfect path. There is a concession for its story that even amidst the incredible and fantastically cosmic struggle, that this same existential absolute is a defining truth that's fundamental to the human experience, and you have to decide which form of that acceptance & which form of that rejection matches to your understanding of those concepts – because the narrative is specific to the role each player takes. It doesn't have an absolute narrative... but even then, the core framework of what exists in those states is still in direct opposition to what Arcane is attempting to frame them as when it comes to the experience of trauma.

Arcane eliminates emotional anguish of pain that's ultimately unnecessary suffering through this collective consciousness. While it frames this as indifference & apathy, if it's truly a singular unified mind – that existential isolation is either a Nothingness in the sense of Zen, or it is an inescapable existential loneliness where that emotional anguish is still all-consuming. If there are still individual shells through which everyone exists in an interconnected network – then that's not a loss of what fundamentally defines people as individuals, as curiosity allows the interest and examination of purpose even within a singularly shared collective will, and the only division is whether or not to accept that scale of compartmentalization of what the individual is. Freedom from being bound into a position of accepting the false necessitation of suffering is also breaking the cycle of Samsara that represents the path to Enlightenment which is BEYOND the realm of Heaven where pleasure still ultimately dictates action out of a self-focused cling to comfort. Indra becomes the villain, because there is no one more selfishly attached to authority & pleasure than the King of Heaven... but while ascended Viktor is terrifyingly alien, he is also none of those things.

The core of Viktor's story is about looking at the relationship of the power dynamic where when pain has power over you, it has the power to define who you are... which means that you don't have any agency of choice, only the illusion of choice because your pain is individually unique. Viktor is always the one moving away from weapons, and grounding things in how the desire to do great that they failed to do good. But Jayce is chasing the rejection of his own failure and seeking to undo the harm of not honoring the human Viktor's choice of wanting the Hexcore destroyed. It's arbitrarily drawing a line of where individual agency exists to who Viktor WAS – not to who he is.

This is the same issue that exists in StarCraft with Kerrigan as the Queen of Blades no longer being the same as Sarah Kerrigan when she was human. There is an attachment to the last HUMAN version of someone as a valid individual... which rejects anything that doesn't conform to that version of them from someone who was close to them. This is fundamentally the flaw in perspective that Season 1 of Arcane ends on with Violet & Silco in regards to who Jinx is always being defined in an absolute in terms of their relationship TO her – not to who she is on her own. This is in juxtaposition to Ekko where he sees who she ISN'T, and saves her because he recognizes who she still COULD be. Jinx fundamentally exists in a way where she HAS to continue to grow through the things that happen to her – including Isha's death. She is focused on breaking the cycle by removing herself from becoming a tool through which that pain continues to repeat... because those are things she doesn't have the power to change or stop by any other means.

This ISN'T TRUE of characters like Singed or Viktor. They have that power over death and suffering, so there has to be a framework for looking at that in a completely different strata of existential conflict, but which still carries all of the same threads into the perspectives of individual choice, rebellion, acceptance, and justice. While Singed saves his daughter from death, that's a mixed bag for the reasons that I mentioned in my last tl;dr post, whereas with Viktor... he's not in the wrong. Assimilating everyone is a better solution that allowing Ambessa to murder them. He's forcing understanding with the conflict, but instead that's being framed as being her own tool, despite the fact that the second he's ascended, there would be NOTHING that could stop him from assimilating her as well and he has no emotional attachment or logical reason to do that, especially as she represents the core of that emotional blindness that he's apparently attempting to erase. The motives & elements of what's taking place don't add up, and so the ways in which they're being pitted against one another or brought to resolution don't carry weight or even accurately represent the themes of the story.

While one can learn to appreciate adversity – pain & conflict aren't necessary for growth. They don't make you who you are, they simply define the things that you aren't by what you learn from the experience with them... so long as it doesn't kill you. As Brandon Sanderson's Oathbringer puts it, “Ten spears go to battle and nine shatter. Did the war forge the one that remained? No, Amaran. All the war did was identify the spear that would not break.” Pain, conflict, suffering, & disability can inform who you are, but they're not a necessary part of yourself that you need to maintain. It's why the fully able-bodied Jayce telling the life-long disabled Viktor that he didn't need to try to fix the parts of himself that were broken rings especially hollow – but especially since he literally murdered a healed cripple, and is overly focused on now having a broken leg seemingly for the first time as a thematic mirror to what Viktor was... while still not understanding that he can't go back and retroactively make that choice for who Viktor was. He can't preach acceptance whilst simultaneously embodying rejection.

While acceptance is important there's no need to over-ascribe the fact that when healing is possible that improvement for quality of life IS THE EXACT PROGRESS & PURSUIT OF GOOD THAT BOTH JAYCE & VIKTOR WORKED FOR. Viktor literally healed Huck and removed that debilitating suffering that Shimmer left him with, because the circumstances he ended up in were wretched, painful, and inescapable – and he got there because he was attempting to escape the helplessness of always being afraid of everyone abusing a power dynamic against him, and Vander was no longer around to provide community level support to protect him. Jayce removed the agency of ANYONE who came to Viktor asking to be healed, or anyone he ascended who was voluntarily willing. How or why should be be allowed to make that choice for so many others? When there is an absolute binary conflict between the two opposed perspectives that are the core fundamental opposites of the nature of reality... you have to get those Indra-Asura dynamics correct, otherwise the messages of your narrative will end up being self-contradicting once you look a bit further below the surface.

That's why this particular piece of the writing in the show fumbled the landing and makes it difficult for me to have a conversation about the message it's trying to convey because the small details end up poking holes in those same values that it's attempting to reinforce – mostly because it's vastly oversimplified a really pivotal existential examination of the core human experience that's been... exceedingly heavily explored over the last half-century in media, and makes this take on it feels awkwardly amateur and naive – amidst what is otherwise a DEEPLY well-understood examination of those human themes that does some of those other facets of it better than any other piece of media.

Lastly, a tiny bit of why this is something that I find really important for media to get RIGHT.


I had a friend VERY much like Jinx who finally just hit a perfect storm breaking point of going through the same things no matter how much she did, and so she took the only form of control left and she opted out – and killed herself. It was a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but it was also a temporary problem that was a part of a permanent cycle. That's the kind of thing that doesn't happen if you aren't utterly broken my emotional trauma and struggle to communicate clearly to others just how unbearable that weight is. It's why I especially loathe the ambiguity of Jinx's desperate martyrdom but especially in the wake of all the failed paths to anything else, and the way it undercuts the message that Ekko represented in being able to change that cycle, but especially because it's caused by the no-longer-ascended Warwick attacking Violet who he can no longer recognize – in an extension of Jayce destroying Viktor's approach to solving that problem without adequately looking at what that brings back.

I've lived through friends dying of drug overdoses & sudden medical issues of things that you couldn't prevent or that might have been averted if they'd gotten things checked sooner. I've had someone who had a terminal illness with no way to do anything about it gladly spend their last month doing things and being themselves up until they passed surrounded by family with no regrets for what they could have done under the circumstances of something they'd long come to terms with. I've dealt with watching someone I cared deeply for die sooner than they had to because the necessary stability of various things in order to facilitate getting them care earlier on just wasn't a possibility, so something that could have been treatable ended up compounding into other things – but even then they died at peace and without pain because everyone did the best they could for circumstances as they were, despite not being ideal.

There's a lot of understanding acceptance for what something is, but also in identifying when it's necessary to push back against just accepting something. A huge part of trauma recovery/prevention is understanding limitations and not allowing those things to impact you when they're something that can't change. My physical capacity is still a fraction of what it used to be and I often have no idea how much of that comes back ever or for how long, and while that creates complications it doesn't bother me at all existentially, it's just more of a day-by-day assessment than having a baseline operational normal that's highly consistent. That's a direct consequence of fueling my body on survival stressors for years at a time, because there were (and often are) no other alternatives.

Working with accessibility advisement/management means not just knowing things about experiences, but also understanding the mechanisms that drive them, but also the ways in which unrelated decisions can lead to things that unintentionally complicate things for people who don't have the luxury of being able to tolerate the same amount as someone else in varying capacities. It's a part of the core of why I like doing this sort of media analysis of things – both for things that I really enjoy, as well as when I think that they miss the mark, because communication is DIFFICULT.

Even if you speak the same language, you don't always have the words or tools to convey that, or there's a different frame of reference to how to approach conversation. Attempting to pick apart things from multiple perspectives to find something that feels off is basically as natural to me as breathing, because of a lifetime of being the moderator (even before I did that on ye olde internets). I've always had to understand how different people thought and what they wanted to communicate and then circumvent the barriers in getting that point across clearly, and then also do my best to understand when the failure to get that through wasn't the result of miscommunication, but when it came up against something that they're not receptive to or comfortable with.

That's why the visual design of storytelling as well as the mechanisms for how it looks at those particular existential struggles are the singular topic that I find most fascinating in media – especially when it comes to transcendental depiction of shared thoughts, and the way in which that concept is framed. In general media is about the only time I get to experience immense existential loss where I get to experience it emotionally, because I don't have a prioritization of a necessity to manage the situation myself. Media is the best because there are no stakes that I can meaningfully affect, so I just get to allow those things to be a catharsis – which also means that when they don't QUITE add up, my physical response is a prioritization to address things about that the situation that doesn't align to its presentation of the information.

All media has a degree of subjective experience, but there's also a LOT of underlying truth about things told through the framework of fiction, and especially when there are hyper-realized elements that make for interesting discussion. It's also why I enjoy tl;dr rambling, because it's easier to get everything all in once place (especially when I have the capacity to do it), but also because oftentimes there are simple perspectives that can help nudge things into alignment, as the issues are relatively small but carry a lot of weight. Context is easy to change with the right leverage, but that kind of writing & design is a complicated thing with a lot of layers, which is still the sort of thing that most often my brain still just has ravenously energetic capacity for.



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