Cait Sith = Reeve?

[Ryushikaze]

Eh...what? Really?

Yeah. When you see Cait fade out, you see a moogle doll (I think it's a moogle. Might just be a teddy bear) for a split second in his place.

From FFVII manual:
"Cait Sith rides around on the back of a huge stuffed Mog he magically brought to life. Megaphone in hand, he's always shouting orders and creating dopey attacks."

So Cait Sith is brought to life by Reeve, and Cait Sith brings life to this Mog but we are not explicitly told if this was an act of an 'autonomous' Cait Sith, or if Reeve was in direct control of this process.

If Reeve can control whatever he animates, then why do Cait Sith bother with using a megaphone to shout orders to the stuffed mog? Should not controlling the mog be the same as controlling Cait Sith?
Here is where I would argue that control of the mog is something that Reeve leaves to the free/autonomous Cait Sith. But in that case, we have an 'Inspired' object in turn using 'Inspire' on another object. What happens as you advance this ladder, making each object 'Inspire' another?
Maybe for each time an animated object uses Inspire the next animated object has a more primitive consciousness thus potentially explaining Cait Sith's use of the megaphone to order the mog around. ...No wait, it doesn't! We see Cait Sith 'puppeteering' the mog all the time; the mog follows the cat's motions perfectly without any use of the megaphone. Why is the megaphone so important for attacking?
>_<

Cait thinks it is.
Alternately, this is a case of Manual Deceit, where statements in the manual are not the literal truth, but what people think or say is the truth. Samus is a 'he' in the Metroid Manual, after all.

 

[Strangelove]

Yeah. When you see Cait fade out, you see a moogle doll (I think it's a moogle. Might just be a teddy bear) for a split second in his place.

After the bit with Nero under Midgar? I thought that was the doll the little girl from Kalm had (implying she'd been turned into mako)?

Edit;

At 9:22, Cait Sith disappears on the walkway and the scene changes to the mako pool with the moogle doll.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Yeah, that was the little girl's moogle doll. Had nothing to do with Cait Sith.

 

[Ryushikaze]

After the bit with Nero under Midgar? I thought that was the doll the little girl from Kalm had (implying she'd been turned into mako)?

Edit;

At 9:22, Cait Sith disappears on the walkway and the scene changes to the mako pool with the moogle doll.

Yeah, that was the little girl's moogle doll. Had nothing to do with Cait Sith.

I took that as him being teleported into the mako pool as usable energy and the doll being his remaining physical remnant.
Where's the moogle doll seen earlier in the game? I seem to have missed it.

 

[ForceStealer]

The little girl being shoved into one of those people-boxes in the opening sequence is holding one.

 

[Ryushikaze]

The little girl being shoved into one of those people-boxes in the opening sequence is holding one.

I remember the girl, not the moogle. I shall double check.

In any case, my note about Cait Sith forming out of other objects or not, he does seem to be the only damn thing Reeve can really make alive, and he's apparently limited to one at a time.

 

[ForceStealer]

That or Reeve's a furry and its all he CARES to make, but yes, it definitely seems as though he can only make one at the time.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS STUPID. CAIT SITH IS AN ARTIFICIALLY INTELLIGENT ROBOT WITH A MANUAL OVERRIDE.

 

[Tennyo]

Little girl with moogle doll is at 6:22.

lol People boxes? Really?

 

[Sigbru]

Well maybe Reeve choose Cait Sith so he could spy on the Gold Saucer? Cait Sith fits (barely) there and he does mentions he knows some people there

 

[looneymoon]

@this whole Inspire thing.

The other I was pondering as to what is worse, The FFVII Compilation or the Buffy Season 8 comics. Reading this thread made me realize how dumb a question it was to ask because this is way more stupid than anything I've seen farted out of anything jfc.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Inspire was referenced long before the Compilation came out, just so you know.

The first guidebooks for FFVII, including Dismantling attributed Reeve to having the ability to breath life into inanimate objects.

It was included in the very beginnings of FFVII's character and story manuscripts, which detailed Reeve's place in the plot, with Reeve being revealed to be nothing but an inanimate puppet as well.

So attributing it to the Compilation or something that never existed before, is wrong. Im not even seeing that much of a big fucking deal here. Magic has not been divorced completely from the world of FFVII. It exists.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I'm not recalling anything in the Kaitai Shinsho/Dismantling that mentioned the horseshit that is Inspire, Mako. Do you remember where it is?

As for the Early Material File stuff from the FFVII Ultimania Omega, that was content that was never actually made into part of the story, so no one can be faulted for calling the concept new, random bullshit that no one had ever heard of prior to the Compilation -- because no one had.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I'm not recalling anything in the Kaitai Shinsho/Dismantling that mentioned the horseshit that is Inspire, Mako. Do you remember where it is?

As for the Early Material File stuff from the FFVII Ultimania Omega, that was content that was never actually made into part of the story, so no one can be faulted for calling the concept new, random bullshit that no one had ever heard of prior to the Compilation -- because no one had.

I'm pretty sure it mentioned Inspire before, when discussing his ability and how Cait Sith was animated. Look at his profiles and stuff if you got it.

This wasn't a Compilation of FFVII addition, is all I'm trying to say. It's been around, floating in their heads since the beginning. They can't blame this one on it.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

It is dumb as shit, though. Why couldn't he be just an advanced robot and just be done with it? There's a lot of stuff that they left out of the original game, with good reason. Why add that one back in?

Granted, it's not the worst thing to happen in terms of FFVII's writing, but it's pretty stupid that they're willing to write in how Reeve can ANIMATE CATS but leave out a lot of other stuff that would be more fulfilling to spend their finite time/resources on.

 

[Sigbru]

According to the old plot, the "Inspire" seems to some kind of race of people that had that ability. Cait Sith apparently didn't had a personality either, it was all just Reeve


It's still kind of silly to keep it that way after that whole plot point was scratched

 

[Strangelove]

Horsebirds.

I don't think Square's content with being done with it anymore.

Inspire was mentioned in the Ultimania Omega, cba checking the other book. Cait Sith is called a robot, but still. Inspire.

 

[Makoeyes987]

You know, some people are double jointed. Others can lick their own elbow.

....Reeve can animate stuffed cats.

Is it really that big of a deal?

 

[Max Payne]

You know, some people are double jointed. Others can lick their own elbow.

....Reeve can animate stuffed cats.

Is it really that big of a deal?

You're seriously not comparing the ability to manipulate objects over retarded distances to licking elbows are you?

Even as a joke that's pushing it.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yes I'm kidding, son. C'mon.

 

[Ite]

Do you know what else was cut from the original files? Detective Joe in NYC. Sometimes writers come up with bullshit and it gets scrapped for good reason. That doesn't make it 'old canon' just because uninspired writers went dumpster diving. (see wutta did thar)

Once again, I'm not surprised. This is just another float in the Disappointment Parade.

Horsebirds.

Nuff said.

 

[Ryushikaze]

You're seriously not comparing the ability to manipulate objects over retarded distances to licking elbows are you?

Even as a joke that's pushing it.

Even though Mako's admitted he was joking, it should have been obvious. Licking your elbows is more useful than Cait Sith.

Ite, Mako's point wasn't that it was a good idea, or 'a part of canon since the beginning' -though it could be- just that the failing of an idea predates the compilation.

 

[Max Payne]

Didn't I admit that it's a joke in the post as it was?

Hence "Even as a joke that's pushing it"?

 

[Ite]

Ite, Mako's point wasn't that it was a good idea, or 'a part of canon since the beginning' -though it could be- just that the failing of an idea predates the compilation.

Yes, I will concede that. My point was that back then, they recognized fail ideas when they saw them.

 

[Dana Scully]

I actually think that out of all the things wrong with the Compilation - and when I say 'Compilation' I'm including any and all ideas that were FF7 related and eventually published in some way, shape, or form - Inspire takes the cake.

Even over DoC and its Protomateria. Which was pretty fucking stupid.

 

[ForceStealer]

It's funny that you're all learning and ridiculing this Inspire business now. The quote from the Ultimania I posted is 3 years old