Cloud's strength

[Aki]

Ok we have seen now that Cloud is extreamly powerful. But what I don't understand is why?


Yes I know he was experimented on with Mako and Jenova cells making him sort of a SOLDIER. But he never made it into SOLDIER in the first place which pretty much says back then his abilities were pathetic.


He never received any special training like a member of SOLDIER would. We see Zack as a 2nd take out pretty much the whole Wutai defencive line on his own.

Cloud only see's Zack fight a few times, and suddenly he's become a fighter on the level of a 1st class Soldier?

If this was the case he had this ability, surly it would have been seen before when he failed to get into SOLDIER.


In the Shinra building you encounter SOLDIERS, surly they would of destoyed the team. From what we see of Zacks ability as a 2nd, the others cant be that far behind Zack.




So why is Cloud suddenly so strong, just because of the Mako/Jenova. Or because with his fragile mind, when he creates his new persona he just believes he was a 1st class so much he has like a placibo effect on himself into believing he is so strong meaning he has no fear against his apponants increasing his skill level in these battles?

 

[Tetsujin]

Cloud always had the talent. He's just that awesome.

 

[Miscreant]

Roidz, Laitent natural talent? I swear Hojo saying somthing about him being the only clone who wasn't a failure, so maybe he was more of a secess than the actuall one that resembles sephiroth even. And as you see in the film he only really ever gets good when he gets passionate about a fight. He kept getting his arse handed to him untill he felt like he had reason to win.

Its been a while since I played the game last but there my guesses, but then I don't over obsess on these things.

 

[Bex]

It's a Final Fantasy game, all the protagonists are ridiculously strong for inexplicable reasons.

 

[Alex]

idk about everyone else in the party but Barret's so ridiculously more muscular than anyone else because he obviously spends all his time masturbating with one arm. Terrorism makes him hard

 

[Bex]

idk about everyone else in the party but Barret's so ridiculously more muscular than anyone else because he obviously spends all his time masturbating with one arm. Terrorism makes him hard

Well he can't really masturbate with the other can he.
Point stands.

 

[Alex]

It's just a wonder why his wanking arm isn't so much more muscular than his other one. It's truly baffling. Maybe he exclusively used the previous one before he lost his hand?

This question is truly much more important than whether or not Cid is an atheist.

 

[Bex]

Or if Sephiroth was agnostic, would you ride him?

 

[Miscreant]

Barret dosn't wank, why do you think he keeps Marlene around?

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Cloud is just that baller.

 

[Isabella]

But he never made it into SOLDIER in the first place which pretty much says back then his abilities were pathetic.

Nah, he's described as having innate talent with a sword. He didn't get into SOLDIER because of his lack of mental strength, not lack of physical skill.

And he picked up a lot of skills from absorbing Zack's mojo.

 

[Makoeyes987]

He only picked up Zack's limit break skill "Meteor Shots" really.

And no, Cloud's abilities were not pathetic. In Before Crisis, when Cloud's back was to the wall fighting AVALANCHE's Raven unit, which were on par with SOLDIER, he was capable of taking some on his own by cutting them in half. And he had never even picken up a sword before. He had innate talent with a sword that was well beyond the level of a grunt. So saying his abilities were pathetic is pretty wrong.

 

[Aki]

Well I never played BC. But pathetic was proberly the a bad choice of wording.

But to be able to go from not much experience with a sword, to being able to weild the Buster is a huge step.


Its just a bit strange how he was only a shinra grunt, not even a Red captain (the ones who wear stone cutters off the simpsons robes lol). He just sort of goes from nothing to been the hardest guy on the planet pretty quickly

 

[Smaddy]

There's also the point that Cloud

Spoiler

killed Sephiroth in the Nibleheim Reactor

, right? Which would require some sort of strength or battle-readiness (ex: knowing your surroundings, knowing how to get out of a bad situation, etc). Maybe his Mako treatment didn't kick in until later?

I didn't like how amazingly powerful he became in AC. I know suspension of disbelief and all, but still. The rest of the team may as well have been action figures in the kids' room with how Cloud just came in and pwn'd everything.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Cloud didn't have any mako enhancements during the Nibelheim massacre. He was just a grunt.

And...to be honest, Cloud landing the hit with the Buster Sword on him wasn't exactly battle readiness. It was stealth. He just snuck up on him from behind. However, Cloud being able to lift Sephiroth with his own sword, while it was stuck in his chest, was definitely something superhuman.

I don't know what you mean though, considering all of what the other heroes did. They were far from action figures. They definitely are strong too. They may not be Cloud strong, but he IS the hero and leader of the group.

 

[Smaddy]

Cloud didn't have any mako enhancements during the Nibelheim massacre. He was just a grunt.

And...to be honest, Cloud landing the hit with the Buster Sword on him wasn't exactly battle readiness. It was stealth. He just snuck up on him from behind. However, Cloud being able to lift Sephiroth with his own sword, while it was stuck in his chest, was definitely something superhuman.

I don't know what you mean though, considering all of what the other heroes did. They were far from action figures. They definitely are strong too. They may not be Cloud strong, but he IS the hero and leader of the group.

But after Nibleheim, maybe once he got going in Midgar at the start of FF7, something kicked in?

Lifting Seph with the sword while it's in his chest was what I was referring to. I don't think the average person could do that at all.

I think the rest of the team is strong, but it wasn't portrayed so well in AC.

 

[Blue]

According to Last Order, Cloud's strength is in his stare that causes people to commit suicide.

 

[ForceStealer]

I think the rest of the team is strong, but it wasn't portrayed so well in AC.

I know what you're saying, but they did manage to draw a summon away from the civilians and (more or less) stalemate it with no materia whatsoever.

 

[Mitch Connor]

Cloud only see's Zack fight a few times, and suddenly he's become a fighter on the level of a 1st class Soldier?

I wouldn't say that. It took Cloud a good amount of time, fighting many powerful enemies during the course of FF7 to reach the level of a SOLDIER 1st Class, (Which he also eventually surpasses).

In the Shinra building you encounter SOLDIERS, surly they would of destoyed the team. From what we see of Zacks ability as a 2nd, the others cant be that far behind Zack.

Zack was not normal, even for SOLDIER. At the time Zack was slaughtering Wutai's front line, he was already being considered for a promotion to first class. And from the looks of 3rd class SOLDIERS in FF7 and CC, there is a pretty big gap in terms of abilities and power between them and 2nd class.

According to Last Order, Cloud's strength is in his stare that causes people to commit suicide.

LMAO

 

[Tennyo]

According to Last Order, Cloud's strength is in his stare that causes people to commit suicide.

LOL The Cloud Bear Stare?

OMG I must go draw something...

 

[Max Payne]

I know what you're saying, but they did manage to draw a summon away from the civilians and (more or less) stalemate it with no materia whatsoever.

Yeah, but we know they're capable of much more, so it would have been nice to see it.

 

[Reith123]

its tifa's fault! <.<

 

[KissTheRain]

I think Cloud is a steroid junkie, and his crank is mako.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Cloud is strong cause he has spiky hair. Think about it, Zack had spiky hair, and he was the secdond strongest SOLDIER of his time. Cloud has spiky hair, and is just as strong, maybe stronger, than Zack.

Sephiroth surpasses both by having silver hair. Think about it, he has silver hair, he is stronger than any other SOLDIER. Weiss has silver hair, he effortlessely crushed regular Vincent. Need I go on? I think not.

 

[loverofCloud]

well.. i have the answer.... haven't you noticed his hairs ?? Cloud is .. a super saiyan !!!!!!!