DMC spoiler argument about relationships split from Chit Chat

[Celes Chere]

He says this himself when he spares her life.

He also said,
"You may look like my mother but you're no where close to her."

Again, the scene where Trish 'dies' is clearly romantic. Didn't you read what Akemmi said about the whole 'Seeds of Love' thing too for the end of the game? Their dialogue in the game is nothing like what two friends would say to one another.

You don't have to have sex to be in love. You don't have to write poems, or be the most romantic fellow to fall in love. Dante has got the cheesy line thing down though, I must say. The dialogue these two exchange, definitely show their deep care and concern for one another- and that exceeds Trish just looking like his Mother.

 

[Max Payne]

I said Trish because I don't really get why before he met her even mattered.

Because if we're basing their supposed relationship off the events of the first game "all of the things he's forgiven and seen" plays in before he met trish.

. So just as I can't completely say they are together, you can't really say they aren't. The games don't really go into it either way and people can decide what is and isn't based on how they see things.

Yeah, I can, because unless stated otherwise they aren't. There's no may or maybe. Unless they say they are, then they aren't. The creators never make a point of them having a relationship, so there's no reason to assume that they do.

But that doesn't change the fact that I don't believe her having a similar face to Eva would keep him from forming a romantic interest in her. My argument isn't that they are or aren't together, but merely that when he looks at her, I don't think he sees his mother at all.

What I was saying, was that he obviously thinks of his mother when he looks at her sometimes, he did in the first game. It kept him from killing her, why would it not play a part in anything else? I didn't say he saw trish as his mom.

My brother looks almost exactly like my dad did when he was that age. I do not see my dad when I look at my brother.
It's really, in the basic form, the same concept.

That's not the same at all. You wouldn't sleep with your brother. But your brother looks enough like your father for you to think "he looks just like my dad" when you look at him. You just admitted that.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

Okay, first off. I wouldn't sleep with my brother because he's my fucking brother. If he weren't my brother I still wouldn't because he's not my type, but that has nothing to do with looking like my dad.
When I look at him, I don't constantly think "he looks just like my dad"
I noticed it once when I saw an old picture of my dad and it hasn't played any part in how I see my brother.

I'm not basing it all on what happened in one. They still know each other and have ample time to develope a relationship in the years after until we get to four and on afterwards.

Just because it wasn't stated doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because they don't make a point of spelling it out doesn't mean it isn't a possibility. They don't go into Dante's personal life, so you can't say anything about what happens in it.

And even if he saw his mom every so often, or thought of her, he's a big boy. He can tell the difference. And if you agree that he doesn't see her as his mom, then what's the problem?
If he truely had a probelm with her looking like his mother, then maybe they would have added to that some more by four?

 

[Max Payne]

Okay, first off. I wouldn't sleep with my brother because he's my fucking brother. If he weren't my brother I still wouldn't because he's not my type, but that has nothing to do with looking like my dad

You said it was the same concept, it's not.

When I look at him, I don't constantly think "he looks just like my dad"
I noticed it once when I saw an old picture of my dad and it hasn't played any part in how I see my brother.

But you've still thought that he looks a lot like your father.

I'm not basing it all on what happened in one. They still know each other and have ample time to develope a relationship in the years after until we get to four and on afterwards.

There's no indication of that. Trish isn't even present during most of the anime and ALL of DMC2.

Just because it wasn't stated doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because they don't make a point of spelling it out doesn't mean it isn't a possibility. They don't go into Dante's personal life, so you can't say anything about what happens in it.

If it isn't stated then there's no reason at all to assume they have a relationship, and unless they make a point of it they have no relationship past being partners, because that's the relationship we see and that they have established. The anime is all about Dante's day to day life according to the folks who created it, and there's no mention of any romance with anyone in it.

And even if he saw his mom every so often, or thought of her, he's a big boy. He can tell the difference. And if you agree that he doesn't see her as his mom, then what's the problem?

I said that he obvs this of his mother when he looks at her sometimes. Other people took that and said OMG HE THINKS SHE'S HIS MOM.

If he truely had a probelm with her looking like his mother, then maybe they would have added to that some more by four?

He has no problem with her appearance when it comes to his partnership and friendship with her. Saying that her heavy appearance to his mom wouldn't play a part in his choice to have a relationship with her seems silly.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

I said in basics. The very basic concept of it is the same.
And my point was, yes I can see my dad in him. That doesn't have ANYTHING to do with how I see him or interact with him. It wouldn't with any boyfriend that I might have later. My point is that it doesn't matter that I have. So I dont' know what your point in repeating that I have is.

WHY does her looking similar to his mother have anything to do with their relationship if it doesn't effect their partnership and friendship.
Again
I will say it.
I am not saying that they ARE together. I'm saying that her looking like his mother wouldn't stop them if they wanted to be together. You keep kinda missing that point there. I'm not proving them cannon, just saying that her face doesn't have anything to do with it.

It doesn't matter he sees his mother sometimes when he looks at her. He doesn't view her as his mother so that wouldn't effect any romantic relationship that might develope.

 

[Max Payne]

I said in basics. The very basic concept of it is the same.

I wholly disagree, your father resembling your brother isn't the same as a potential love interest looking pretty much just like one of your parents.

It wouldn't with any boyfriend that I might have later. My point is that it doesn't matter that I have. So I dont' know what your point in repeating that I have is.

You wouldn't have any problem with a guy who looks just like your father drilling you? My hats off to you, but most normal people would. No one wants to sleep with their parents, and sleeping with someone that has a heavy resemblance to them, well, that just smacks of person problems.

WHY does her looking similar to his mother have anything to do with their relationship if it doesn't effect their partnership and friendship.
Again

Friendship and partnership is nothing at all like an actual relationship involving sex.

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I am not saying that they ARE together. I'm saying that her looking like his mother wouldn't stop them if they wanted to be together. You keep kinda missing that point there. I'm not proving them cannon, just saying that her face doesn't have anything to do with it.

Her appearance would obviously play a role, since Dante's mother was very important to him, and here is a woman created to evoke thoughts of his mother when interacting with her. He's already made a choice based on her appearance, there's no reason to assume he wouldn't do it again for another important matter. It might not be the deciding factor, but it certainly would play a role.

It doesn't matter he sees his mother sometimes when he looks at her. He doesn't view her as his mother so that wouldn't effect any romantic relationship that might develope.

He doesn't have to see her as his mother as person, to have a problem with sleeping with someone that has a huge resemblance to his mom.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

The basic concept is that the appearance doesn't have anything to do with the relationship. That concept is the same.

Alright, being in love doesn't have to mean you're 'drilling each other'. If I put myself in Dante's exact situation, no, Trish looking like my mother (me as Dante) wouldn't matter, even if we were 'drilling each other'. With all the shit Dante's gone through I very much doubt he wouldn't be able to see past Trish's appearance and love her. Especially after all the time that has passed since his mother had died, and how much time had passed since he and Trish met.
Now, I wouldn't be with a guy that looked exactly like my dad because that'd mean he'd be waaaaaaaay older than me.
But I wouldn't shun a guy just because he looks like my dad used to.

 

[Max Payne]

Appearance is always a factor in a relationship. It might not be the deciding factor, but it's always a part of the equation.

And no, the concept still isn't the same because the situations aren't the same, at all.

I don't doubt Dante loves Trish like family, but there's no way in hell he hasn't thought about how much she resembles his mom, especially since she was so important to him. It's probably what makes it easier for him to be nice to her since she does. But he clearly has made a choice based off her appearance, he's aware of her resemblance to his mom, and if he's aware of that much he must have thought about how awkward and weird it would be to sleep without someone that looks like his mom.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

That's why I said Basic. BASIC! The very basic of basics remains the same. I'm not talking about the finer details like the other things that dictate the relationship.

Yes. Appearance is always a factor, but it isn't the deciding factor. That says enough itself thank you.
yes she looks like his mom. Yes he recognizes that. But if he doesn't see her as his mom, then he doesn't revoke the ability to see her as a potential lover or love interest. At first he was acting as he was because she looked like his mom, but by four, it doesn't seem that that is playing any part of his actions towards her.
If you love someone, then it doesn't matter what they look like. Just because she looks like his mom, doesn't mean he can't fall in love with her. And if he did fall in love with her, her face wouldn't matter at all. That's kinda how love works.

 

[Max Payne]

Except, by 4, there's still no indication that they're romantically involved. They joke together, and work together.

And just because he can get past her appearance in everyday interaction, doesn't mean it wouldn't be a problem when it comes to a serious physical and mental relationship.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

I'll say it again. I'm not saying that they ARE together. You don't seem to understand that. I'm not proving that they are in love. I'm just saying that I disagree that her face would hinder any romantic development. That's all.
What it boils down to is different points of view.
But I really don't think that Dante, in the end, would base any decision he made with Trish on the fact that she looks like his mom. You disagree, and proably will unless they ended up making them together in the game. Nothing I say will change that because people, by nature, are just stubborn like that.

 

[Max Payne]

I'll say it again. I'm not saying that they ARE together. You don't seem to understand that. I'm not proving that they are in love. I'm just saying that I disagree that her face would hinder any romantic development. That's all.

You still said there was time for a relationship to have developed by 4, and I contested that. I'm still saying there's nothing there, and I've already addressed your other points.

What it boils down to is different points of view.
But I really don't think that Dante, in the end, would base any decision he made with Trish on the fact that she looks like his mom.

It wouldn't be the sole factor, but that's not what I've been saying. I've obviously been saying that it definitely would play a part in the decision. But, he already has made a decision based on the fact that she looks like his mom.

You disagree, and proably will unless they ended up making them together in the game. Nothing I say will change that because people, by nature, are just stubborn like that.

Unless there's evidence to the otherwise, there's no basis for saying they're in a serious relationship, it's got nothing to do with being stubborn. It's just not there.

If they wanted us to think that they were together, they'd have been described as being in a relationship, but this just doesn't happen, like it does with Nero and the girl. They've had every opportunity to reinforce a serious relationship between the two, but that just has not happened.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

Again I'm not saying that they are together. Why do you not get that point. You're trying to disprove something I'm not trying to prove.

I really just don't think that her face has anything to do with it.


No, I do not think they are together, I don't have reason to believe they are really, myself. I'm not against the pairing, but I don't think it has happened. Whether it WILL happen in the future is up for grabs.

However, I don't think that the reason they are not together is because she looks like his mother.

What I had said was that there was pleanty of time for him to remove the mother=Trish connection by the time of 4. At that point I don't think there are any Trish=mother connections for him anymore. He sees Trish and his Mother as two entirely different people no matter what they look like.

 

[Max Payne]

Again I'm not saying that they are together. Why do you not get that point. You're trying to disprove something I'm not trying to prove.

I commented on what you said, why you're having such a problem with that I don't know. I get what you're saying and you just keep harping on about it. You say something related to their supposed relationship, I'm going to say something about it.

However, I don't think that the reason they are not together is because she looks like his mother.

It would be a part of it, but it's not the sole factor. How many times do I have to say that?

What I had said was that there was pleanty of time for him to remove the mother=Trish connection by the time of 4. At that point I don't think there are any Trish=mother connections for him anymore. He sees Trish and his Mother as two entirely different people no matter what they look like.

Of course he sees them as two different people, that's not being debated here. But there will always be a connection to his mother, because she was created in her image.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

My point is that I don't think that her looking like his mother would hinder any romantic development between them. End of story. That IS my opinion, and will continue to be my opinion. Your opinion differs from mind and that will not change either. Now there is no more point in trying to debate it because you can't debate against opinions.

 

[Alex]

omg why is this thread still open

 

[Alexia Ashford]

Good question.

 

[Max Payne]

My point is that I don't think that her looking like his mother would hinder any romantic development between them. End of story. That IS my opinion, and will continue to be my opinion. Your opinion differs from mind and that will not change either. Now there is no more point in trying to debate it because you can't debate against opinions.

Ok, you opinion is uncontestable, wonderful.

You must be like the pope or something.

Fine, closing

 

[Ⓐaron]

Her point is that you should agree to disagree, not mock her for having a different opinion than hers

 

[Max Payne]

it was a joke you dickhead.

STFU.