E3 2011 Thread

[Max Payne]

Then don't counter an argument I didn't make, please.

wtf

I was countering the argument you made about graphics. What are you not understanding?

 

[DrakeClawfang]

See edited post.

 

[Sheva Alomar]

Anyway, Grand theft lego lol

This, rofl.

 

[Tifabelle]

Anyway, Grand theft lego lol

This, rofl.

Wait I thought this was a joke. It's a joke, right?




RIGHT?

 

[ForceStealer]

Nintendo needs a better man than Reggie.

He's so freaking annoying

I agree, but he's still better than that awful woman whose-name-I-can't-remember.

 

[Tetsujin]

And if the third-party devs are more interested in their products looking good than the various technical and gameplay innovations the Wii U can offer, then they also have their priorities misplaced.

Technical specs aren't just about graphics though. a more powerful console can improve gameplay in various ways (better AI, more objects and characters on screen etc.)

Compare Assassin's Creed on the HD consoles with AssCreed on the PSP.
On the HD consoles it has huge open towns with lots of NPCs that make the world feel alive. On PSP the towns are incredibly small and mostly devoid of citizens. The whole "blending in with the crowd/social stealth"-thing AC is going for doesn't really work if you don't have lots of townspeople to blend in with.

This is what AC would've been like on the Wii so it's no surprise we haven't seen it ported to that console.

It's not that third party developers are just concerned for pretty graphics, some of the games they imagine only work with powerful hardware. Powerful hardware isn't just for pretty graphics, y'know.

Bottom line: You need to be innovative *and* keep the technical side of your hardware up to date.

 

[Max Payne]

Wait I thought this was a joke. It's a joke, right?




RIGHT?

nope.

Lego City Stories is official

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Technical specs aren't just about graphics though. a more powerful console can improve gameplay in various ways (better AI, more objects and characters on screen etc.)

Compare Assassin's Creed on the HD consoles with AssCreed on the PSP.
On the HD consoles it has huge open towns with lots of NPCs that make the world feel alive. On PSP the towns are incredibly small and mostly devoid of citizens. The whole "blending in with the crowd/social stealth"-thing AC is going for doesn't really work if you don't have lots of townspeople to blend in with.

This is what AC would've been like on the Wii so it's no surprise we haven't seen it ported to that console.

It's not that third party developers are just concerned for pretty graphics, some of the games they imagine only work with powerful hardware. Powerful hardware isn't just for pretty graphics, y'know.

Bottom line: You need to be innovative *and* keep the technical side of your hardware up to date.

Agreed entirely, but I wasn't talking about hardware in general, I was speaking solely about graphics. I don't think though that it's fair to say a hypothetical AC on the Wii would be the same as a PSP version, console games and handheld games are fundamentally different in theory.

 

[Tetsujin]

Agreed entirely, but I wasn't talking about hardware in general, I was speaking solely about graphics. I don't think though that it's fair to say a hypothetical AC on the Wii would be the same as a PSP version, console games and handheld games are fundamentally different in theory.

Well of course the Wii wouldn't be as bad the PSP.
But it would still be far behind the level of detail and the amount of people on screen in the HD games.

 

[Tetsujin]

By the way, I'm a little bit concerned.

The controller with its clunkiness plus the built-in screen...
I just hope it's sturdy, man. I'm afraid of accidentally dropping it and immediately cracking the screen.

Also:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/07/wii-u-nintendo-games-console

Again no HDD but a built-in flash memory. Will be compatible with SD card or USB solutions (hope that means external HDDs)

 

[Tifabelle]

You know what's funny? Nintendo used to have square controllers, then went round when it was decided it was more ergonomic. A lot of thought have gone into the shape and sizes of controllers and placement of buttons, etc.

Now they're going with a large, flat, square controller here. Which for gameplay purposes might be cool, but not sure how long that would be comfortable for. Doesn't seem made for long-term gameplay (imagine holding that for an hour or two).

 

[Max Payne]

Lol nintendo controllers.

I remember when the Wii was first released how people were smashing HDTVs with the controller because the strap was too weak.

 

[Tetsujin]

Lol nintendo controllers.

I remember when the Wii was first released how people were smashing HDTVs with the controller because the strap was too weak.

I still don't get how people achieved that. I mean yeah, my controllers have slipped off my table occasionally due to clumsy placing but even with the Wii waggling controls, it never slipped out of my hand. And I don't even use the fucking sling because it just annoys me.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Just hope you don't drop your WiiU controllers and crack the screen.


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[ForceStealer]

Dammit WiiU's not even easy to say. They're determined to make you sound as silly as possible when saying the name of their console.

Would "Revolution" really have been so bad?

 

[Tetsujin]

Just hope you don't drop your WiiU controllers and crack the screen.


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Not while I'm playing.

It's after playing games that I somehow manage to drop them.

Would "Revolution" really have been so bad?

I would've called it Super Nintendo...EXTREEEEEEEME.
The name Super Nintendo does bring back memories of the most awesome games after all so why not reuse it?

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Dammit WiiU's not even easy to say. They're determined to make you sound as silly as possible when saying the name of their console.

Please refer to this post for a vocal instructional on saying the word "WiiU"

Also - Engadget has hands on video of the controller.


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[X-SOLDIER]

Game footage from the WiiU & the console is scheduled to be released sometime between April 1 and December 31, 2012.

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[Tetsujin]

First technical details:
Launches: 2012
Size: Approximately 1.8 inches tall, 6.8 inches wide and 10.5 inches long.

New Controller: The new controller incorporates a 6.2-inch, 16:9 touch screen and traditional button
controls, including two analog Circle Pads. This combination removes the traditional
barriers between games, players and the TV by creating a second window into the
video game world. The rechargeable controller includes a Power button, Home
button, +Control Pad, A/B/X/Y buttons, L/R buttons and ZL/ZR buttons. It includes a
built-in accelerometer and gyroscope, rumble feature, camera, a microphone, stereo
speakers, a sensor strip and a stylus.

Other Controls: Up to four Wii Remote™ (or Wii Remote Plus) controllers can be connected at once.
The new console supports all Wii™ controllers and input devices, including the
Nunchuk™ controller, Classic Controller™, Classic Controller Pro™ and Wii Balance
Board™.

Media: A single self-loading media bay will play 12-centimeter proprietary high-density
optical discs for the new console, as well as 12-centimeter Wii optical discs.
Video Output: Supports 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i. Compatible cables include HDMI,
component, S-video and composite.

Audio Output: Uses AV Multi Out connector. Six-channel PCM linear output through HDMI.
Storage: The console will have internal flash memory, as well as the option to expand its
memory using either an SD memory card or an external USB hard disk drive.

CPU: IBM Power®-based multi-core microprocessor.

Other: Four USB 2.0 connector slots are included. The new console is backward compatible
with Wii games and Wii accessories.


Still nothing too detailed though. What about CPU, RAM etc.?

 

[ForceStealer]

And as with Dreamcast, Crystal Chronicles, and when they talked about the PSP doing this...I wonder just how easy it is to look down at your controller while playing the game.

Isn't that "casual" gamers always have such a hard time with? They have to keep looking down to find the button they want? But I suppose the fact that its a touchscreen may mean there are parts of games that you need to look exclusively at your controller. I could see how it would make for some interesting puzzles maybe.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

And as with Dreamcast, Crystal Chronicles, and when they talked about the PSP doing this...I wonder just how easy it is to look down at your controller while playing the game.

Isn't that "casual" gamers always have such a hard time with? They have to keep looking down to find the button they want? But I suppose the fact that its a touchscreen may mean there are parts of games that you need to look exclusively at your controller. I could see how it would make for some interesting puzzles maybe.

I was wondering about that too. The two DS screens would probably be the most comprable thing, and might be what prompted the relationship. The difference there is that they're both within viewing distance at all times, as they don't move independantly. Plus, their uses seem more limited outside of a handheld, as moving minimaps and things to another screen when the primary screen is small helps, but it just seems like an additional distraction to me.

I just keep thinking, but I can't think of any application where it doesn't function better as a standalone portable system, like it does with the PSV.

Well, maybe if you character picked up a map or something, and it simulated you holding something out of your line of sight, that could be cool, but that's hardly enough to do an entire system.


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[X-SOLDIER]

Kotaku now has an article discussing exactly what I was wondering about in the above post. Quite interesting... Still not 100% on it, but the concept has more appeal now that I understand an application of the screen that makes sense.


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[X-SOLDIER]

Here's a look at that 3D Display.

http://kotaku.com/5809707/the-playstation-tv-a-cheap-3dtv-for-everybody


There's also someone how managed a DIY version.

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[X-SOLDIER]

Looks like they're making a game in The Walking Dead universe.


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[Alessa Gillespie]

Here's a look at that 3D Display.

http://kotaku.com/5809707/the-playstation-tv-a-cheap-3dtv-for-everybody


There's also someone how managed a DIY version.

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am i the only one who thinks it looks terrible