Faith v. 3.0 (Cloti Club)

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revenge cloud is badass, as to be expected.
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OKAY everyone, i'm still thinking about raquel's don't kill me :rclosedmonster: BUT the reason why i did is because i couldn't understand why her post mentioned "overlooking midgar". that confused me for a long time because in the scene i shared he wasn't overlooking midgar, he was looking around the church. that's when i remembered, he had a second attack. for this one, there was no tear in either eye, so it couldn't have been from pain from the first one.

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moreover, the eye is nowhere near as close as it was in the first attack, which we can logically assume it was to purposefully show the tear. to haul it all home even more, cloud's tear was chosen to take up and entire frame, twice, while this does focus on his eyes but not as closely as before. it's clear: this second attack is important, but the first attack was really important.

so, we have two options, but only one is plausible enough. S/E forgot to put the tear(s) in the second attack (:nah:), or cloud really was crying/about to cry in the church (:muhaha:).

CASE CLOSED.
 
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i have a slight problem with CC, and it's because we learn in VII that cloud is more than qualified for soldier except for how susceptable his mind is to mako right? so why did S/E make him flop when he rescued tifa from the monsters in front of the reactor? that should have been easy for him and could have been one of his shining moments, instead they only added to his shame smh...
 
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T@ctic said:
i have a slight problem with CC, and it's because we learn in VII that cloud is more than qualified for soldier except for how susceptable his mind is to mako right? so why did S/E make him flop when he rescued tifa from the monsters in front of the reactor? that should have been easy for him and could have been one of his shining moments, instead they only added to his shame smh...
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He's physically qualified but so are all the monsters he's up against. They actually were SOLDIERs, that then went on to become Genesis copies.
 
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aw your welcome lilly (call me kris btw if you like). i can't wait to see what twitter and tumblr will look like when it finally happens. i have no clue what it will look like, i'm actually a bit anxious.

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Probably the Mobius Final Fantasy FFVII Remake crossover event. Did the second part ever get an English release?
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this video came out a month ago. is this the second part?

and yes that's from mobius. here's more tifa from it^^
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is she always going to wear that pink bow? ??
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okay so i have two things to share guys. the first one SHOOK me so hard. has anyone thought of this as well????

Why the last moment between Cloud and Tifa in ‘Case of Tifa’ is way more important than we thought.
(or Personal thoughts #3)

Today I offer a different perspective on ‘Case of Tifa’, one that I believe hasn’t been done before. Far from being anti-Cloti or anti-Tifa, it will shed light on how Tifa really can be romantically clueless and why Cloud’s last smile to her regarding Denzel is in fact a very meaningful moment.
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There are a whopping six times in the novella where Cloud offers his personal strength and presence to Tifa and indirectly seeks assurance from her as to where he stands in her life and whether they have a future together. Five of these times I heavily believe she failed to provide him with enough of the validation he sought.

Woah that’s a pretty big statement! Wait a minute you said, isn’t it Tifa who is insecure about the family status and whether Cloud loves her? Well yeah, she sought external validation from Cloud once - we’ll get back to that.

Attempt 1: Cloud smiles, says he will succeed in living a new life, because he will have Tifa with him in a unique and different way.
“After this … I think I’ll be okay.”

Cloud was silent for a long time before he spoke again.

“Because I have you this time.”

“You’ve always had me.”

“What I mean is kind of different,” Cloud answered with another smile.
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We aren’t told if Tifa verbally responded, or even indicated whether she agreed with him in any way. This novel was written from her perspective, so we’d expect an important exchange after Cloud’s comment to at least be mentioned right?

Attempt 2: Cloud comforts Tifa at Aerith’s grave, not knowing how she feels about it. She does like it - but doesn’t really tell him that or know what to do.
She felt Cloud’s hand on her shoulder. He was holding onto her firmly as if he didn’t want her to go anywhere. For now, I’ll just let myself cry as much as I want. I’ll leave the rest in his hands.

I just didn’t know what I should do.
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Not much encouragement for Cloud there, it must be hard enough comforting a crying girl without knowing that she is crying over another murdered girl whose death you feel was your own fault.

Attempt 3: Cloud quite directly expresses his desire to build a ‘normal life’ with Tifa.
“Yeah, let’s go home” Cloud agreed.

“Where to?” Barret asked.

“Our suspended reality.”

“What the hell do you mean by that?”

“Our normal lives.”

“And where do we have something like that?”

“We’ll find one.” Cloud looked at Tifa and said, “Right?”

“Yeah!” cried the cheerful Marlene. Tifa nodded too, but just like Barret, she wondered where they had a normal life.
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Tifa’s nod is probably not strong enough to convince Cloud, and as we see not even strong enough to convince herself.

Attempt 4: Cloud reminds Tifa again that he intends to be there for her and lift her up.
When Tifa and Cloud were alone, Cloud said, “It’s not like you to be troubled by your thoughts.”

“It’s… Just the way I am.”

“No. You’re much more cheerful and strong. If you’ve forgotten the way you were then, I’ll be there to remind you.”

“You really will?”

“Probably,” Cloud said blushing.
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Like Cloud’s first try, we are given no indication that any agreement transpired between them after that.

Attempt 5: Cloud offers his presence and personal help to Tifa with opening the new business at Barret’s suggestion.
“Times like that are important, ain’t they? Hey Tifa, what do you think?”

Tifa couldn’t answer right away. She understood what Barret was saying. But opening up a store felt like going back to the times of AVALANCHE.Cloud spoke up.

“Tifa, lets give it a go. If it gets too tough, we’ll just quit.
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Again, look at Cloud’s emphasis on the ‘us’ in his plans to start a venture with Tifa.

Attempt 6: Cloud looks to Tifa to see how she feels about him being invited to the family.
A family.” (Tifa)

“Yeah.” (Marlene)

Marlene cheerfully answered in response to Tifa’s murmur.

“I’ll put Cloud in our family too.” (Marlene)

“I appreciate that.” (Cloud)

After Cloud thanked Marlene’s innocent offer with his serious face, he looked at Tifa. Tifa nodded a little.
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I dunno, maybe this is affirmation, but to me nodding a little doesn’t really show enough enthusiasm.

So I feel that if Case of Tifa was written from Cloud’s point of view, it would be heart-wrenching. There would be many ‘I told her I’d be there to cheer her up, but she looked ahead and didn’t say anything.’ How sad!

This made me consider, the part where Tifa asks if Cloud loves her and he doesn’t directly answer is often used to state that he - doesn’t. But she has been doing the same thing to him numerous times before this moment.

“Do you love me?”

Cloud woke up, a perplexed look on his face.
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Since it’s from her point of view, we can’t be sure why he reacted like that. For all we know, he had that dubious look on his face because he couldn’t believe what he just thought he heard her say!

The reassurance Cloud sought from Tifa is successfully given in their final moment of the novella, which contains signs of a revelation.
“Aerith didn’t bring Denzel to you.”

“Ahh, I only thought that…..”

“I didn’t mean it that way.”

“Aerith brought Denzel to us.”

Cloud gazed at Tifa and finally smiled.
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Here’s the cute insta-net definition of the word gaze: look steadily and intently, especially in admiration, surprise, or thought.

Bringing a young child into your life is not just a once off gesture you perform in honor of your deceased friends. It is potentially a lifelong venture and commitment. Tifa’s insistence that Aerith brought the child to both of them reveals many things to Cloud; that she does see a future with him and wants to share a significant part of it, that the responsibility to live on and live well was her ‘assignment’ too and she would be right there with Cloud through its duration.

YAY for the first time, Cloud is satisfied with the answer Tifa gave him. They are on a role. Notice after this moment, Cloud didn’t refer to Aerith’s church as ‘his place’ anymore. My suspicion is that prior to this he wasn’t convinced by Tifa that she really wanted him around or that he truly belonged in the family so he mildly excluded himself.

Too bad that he got sick and freaked out shortly after without telling Tifa his reason for leaving. But that’s Cloud and Tifa for you, they don’t tend to speak out their feelings, they do that thing where they commune with each other.

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that's one thing i have noticed about them, from reading a few things. they aren't close like other couples or friends, you know the normal way; sharing moments together, hanging out, then of course there's the physical intimacy that most are expected to have. after whatever happened under the highwind, i feel directly after the sephy fight they had to work on fixing Gaia back to what it was, so they only could afford small moments. but they have something that not many FF couples have, which is legitimately connecting their souls together to the point of knowing what each other wants and feels by one look. that's some powerful stuff right there.

anyways what do yall think? or are yall just tired of people over analysing the same old book over and over :desu:
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ANYWAYS for those who don't care for discussion, i will just post these now. i found them on twitter, also there are more pictures in the link so check them out if you want.
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https://twitter.com/i/moments/1036570038327603200
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oh and i have a FF ship discord so if you wanna drop by i'll be much obliged :monster:
link is here: https://discord.gg/jZXGNeV
 
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edit: also wtf, the artist said he based the last picture off the "other side of the mountain" song so i went to hear it. it's so beautiful, i actually can't imagine how it will be redone in the RM.
also does this count as cloud and tifa's theme? :awesome::awesome:
 
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T@ctic

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i didn't remember. it's been so long that i barely remember anything more than the battle music and cloud's(actually ff7's) theme. if you pressed me i'd probably remember shinra's theme, don's, the winter place and.....??? sephiroth's i guess. that's it :monster:
 
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