FF7 Headcanons and Discussion

[jazzflower92]

The thing about Jenova is that she's more of a plot device than a character in her own right. This is why we don't ever see her in character sections of FFVII guidebooks; instead, she's filed into the same category as terms like "Weapon" and "SOLDIER."

I know that she is a plot device now but I think what happened when she was in her full glory before she was cut down to size by the Cetra.Was she a goddess of another planet before she was corrupted or was she was woman that was forced into transforming into a sin like creature.We may never get the answers from Square but its fun speculating until they joss my two theories.Just between you and me I think Jenova has become my favorite character because of the fact she is kinda is a character you can imagine have many possible origins.Maybe this could be even more fun than Square putting out anything too official.

In my opinion it would be fun thinking that Jenova was originally from Spira.I was thinking that maybe Jenova was chasing after the Spirans who went into the spaces and not the Cetra.Jenova I think mistaken the Cetra for the Spirans and began destroying them.

I think Square wasted a perfectly good possible villain who ends up being just a background device.I can say that Jenova could have actually potentially become Square's version of "It" meets "The Thing".You know when I imagine Jenova speaking I always think of Grey Delisle with her Azula voice.Then again she was even more of a device in the early drafts when she was just a gene that everyone had and could potentially unlock.

 

[Danseru-kun]

Now I’m having a theory that one of the reasons why Cloud is socially awkward is that the town kinda looked down on his mother for getting pregnant at 17 years old (as far as I know she was never described as Mrs. Strife so she could be unmarried.) Cloud said his father died when he was very young so life must be tough for them. And while Cloud’s family is seen like that, Tifa is like the Nibelheim princess with her father as the respected mayor (and probably the richest family as they have the largest house in town.)


My gosh the drama makes sense

 

[jazzflower92]

Now I’m having a theory that one of the reasons why Cloud is socially awkward is that the town kinda looked down on his mother for getting pregnant at 17 years old (as far as I know she was never described as Mrs. Strife so she could be unmarried.) Cloud said his father died when he was very young so life must be tough for them. And while Cloud’s family is seen like that, Tifa is like the Nibelheim princess with her father as the respected mayor (and probably the richest family as they have the largest house in town.)


My gosh the drama makes sense

Yes,I could go with the theory that Cloud is a child out of wedlock.It goes well with my theory that maybe Cloud is one of President Shinra's many illegitmate children.I keep having the notion that Cloud's mother actually married someone after she got pregnant with Cloud.I was thinking that maybe Cloud's mother was a mistress of President Shinra until he lost interest in her when she became pregnant.She then went back to Nibelheim and married someone who felt sorry for her and her unborn child.She never told Cloud who his father truly was and tried to pass her husband as his father.

This will also mean that Cloud has even more drama on his head now.Man,this guy is his world's favorite chew toy.

 

[Unlucky]

I share the same headcanon of Cloud being born out of wedlock and it's one of the reasons why the townsfolk were so eager to shun him. My theory is that his father isn't originally from Nibelheim and left before his birth. She told him he was dead to make things simple to explain.

There was also this idea mentioned here that he might be a relative of the Shinras. I think that's really plausible. They might have some relatives employed in the manor and stayed there for long periods to have known Cloud's mom, but not really take the responsibility because well.. he's an accident. I think it's a really good headcanon if only it wouldn't spoil my CloudxRufus fantasies

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

Has anyone ever considered the fact that maybe Cloud's mom WAS married when she had Cloud, despite apparently having him at 17? It wouldn't surprise me if people in Gaia could get married at as young as 14, considering they can apparently join the military at that age. They can probably smoke at that age too. And the drinking age is probably lower, too. The drinking age is most likely not 21, since Tifa's only 20 in FFVII and it'd be weird if she were allowed to run a bar even though she's not old enough to drink. Not only that, but she's probably been tending Seventh Heaven since she was at oldest 17 and at youngest 15(since she was 15 during the Nibelheim incident).

Oh, and regarding Sephy's hatred being the most hatred anyone in FF has, no one can hate moar than Gabranth.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

^When Tifa is out, they let Marlene run the bar. I'd imagine that's more down to the slums than anything.

 

[Mantichorus]

It wouldn't surprise me if people in Gaia could get married at as young as 14, considering they can apparently join the military at that age.

Possible precedent: Rikku mentions in FFX that people in Spira get married "pretty young" (being 15 at the time, IIRC).

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

^When Tifa is out, they let Marlene run the bar. I'd imagine that's more down to the slums than anything.

Still doesn't change the fact that Cloud and Zack were able to join(or attempt at joining, in Cloud's case) SOLDIER, which is a fucking military organization, in their early teens. Speaking of which, what's the minimum drinking age, smoking age, marriage age, and military joining age over in Japan? Anyone here know? It could be relevant.

 

[jazzflower92]

I know I said before my headcannon theory about Jenova actually being the former goddess of Spira's lifestream.But I think it makes sense in a way because it would explain how Sephiroth could have possibly become god like in power because Jenova might have been a former goddess that was corrupted into the parastic form she is now.I think maybe Jenova had a different name when she was on Spira as well but sadly it has been forgotten and she has assumed the name Jenova which is the name the Cetra gave her.

I think after she became the parastic alien she was known as she lost all her memory of being the goddess of Spira and then became a being of evil who is bent on desctruction.I know some people might its too outlandish but Square doesn't seem like they want to elaborate on her backstory.

Oh,another thing about Sephiroth is the fact that in another thread is the fact that both Cloud and Sephiroth both thought they were special when they were kids.It makes me think that maybe Sephiroth did go to a private school for a while until some problems occured with him and other children.I think thats when Shinra actually took him out of private school and just made him do private tutoring.

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

Here's another headcanon of mine: During his time as an infantryman Cloud would fap to pictures of Tifa.(and before any of you say what about after that, remember that after that he had the real Tifa to fap to)

Btw way, I looked it up. Minimum drinking, smoking, and marrying age in Japan are all 20. Not sure about joining the military.
EDIT: In japan, you have to be 18 to enlist, just like the U. S.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

My headcanon states that in a world where four year old children are left alone in charge of bars, fifteen year olds are considered for recruitment into SOLDIER, ten year olds become Turks, and Reeve Tuesti, one of the good guys, is taking kids as young as Denzel into the army, there is no minimum drinking age, no minimum age for joining the army, no minimum driving age, no age of consent - and no democracy, either.

 

[jazzflower92]

My headcanon states that in a world where four year old children are left alone in charge of bars, fifteen year olds are considered for recruitment into SOLDIER, ten year olds become Turks, and Reeve Tuesti, one of the good guys, is taking kids as young as Denzel into the army, there is no minimum drinking age, no minimum age for joining the army, no minimum driving age, no age of consent - and no democracy, either.

No wonder so many characters have so many issues especially in a messed up society like that.I have a feeling that Shinra abolished all those minimum age laws when they got into power.It would explain how they can get away with minor endangerment.

I think when he was young Sephiroth had visions of Lucrecia in his dreams.Often times he would think she was Jenova.Hey,if Lucrecia could have visions of the future by Jenova then why not Sephiroth have visions of Lucrecia.

 

[ASmilingMalice]

In my headcanon, I think that all of the times where Tifa and Aeris run off on their own (Junon, Cosmo Canyon, etc) that they'd probably get to know each other and probably even talk about Cloud. I can imagine Aeris trying to get Tifa to open up a bit about him while being upfront about her feelings for him (but mindful of Tifa's feelings at the same time). At least I'd like to think that's something they'd do.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I think maybe Jenova had a different name when she was on Spira as well but sadly it has been forgotten and she has assumed the name Jenova which is the name the Cetra gave her.

Gast named it "Jenova." The Cetra called it "the Crisis from the Sky."

 

[jazzflower92]

Gast named it "Jenova." The Cetra called it "the Crisis from the Sky."

I like to think that Jenova was the corrupted goddess of Spira and that she originally had a name known by the Spirans.However,since the people of Gaia have forgotten that their ancestors were from Spira so they don't nothing at all about Spira.

I also think that maybe Yuna is the ancestress of Lucrecia and Sephiroth.I mean it would be a form of irony that a one of the most iconic Final Fantasy heroines is the ancestor of the most well known villains in Final Fantasy history.

I also like to think that Hojo was originally born in Wutai until he was kicked out for his amoral experiments he then got a job at Shinra where they allowed him all the immoral freedom for his dubious projects.

 

[Ite]

Gast named it "Jenova." The Cetra called it "the Crisis from the Sky."

Weird headcanon of mine that made it into my novelisation: The Ancients had a language that is hard to pronounce in common tongue. They called themselves 'Je-Terra' which means "from the earth" and it's been mispronounced by anthropologists as 'Cetra.' Conversely, 'Je-Nova' ("from the stars") has been more correctly pronounced, although the meaning of both words are totally lost on Gast etc.

I feel as if somehow Gast managed to discover Jenova's Cetra-given name (maybe there were written records around her excavation site (but not enough to realize what the word meant.)) He leaves Shinra upon meeting Ifalna, who reveals to him the true nature of the name.

The scene in which Ifalna calls it "The calamity from the skies" is her directly translating the name Jenova for Gast, and presumably at that point she has illuminated him as to the true meaning of the name.

 

[jazzflower92]

I know the games never elaborate on Dr.Hojo's background that much except when it pertains to something bad that has happened which is 100% of the time but I was thinking that maybe the bad doctor is actually Wutain.He certainly has a name that would seem to be from Wutai.If Hojo is Wutain then that must mean that Sephiroth is half Wutain.

I also have some good theories how Dr.Hojo came to work for Shinra.I was thinking that he was recruited from Wutai where they would allow him to do unrestrained experimentation to his heart's content.Before he even was recruited by Shinra Hojo was one who always was sadistic with his experimenting.He would even at times secretly kidnap people to do experiments on.

Another theory is that Hojo used to be apart of a noble Wutai family clan until he was disowned for his experiments and/or for deciding to work with Shinra.It could be why the only family mentioned of his is Sephiroth because his clan wants nothing to do with him.And of course they probably wouldn't know that Sephiroth is Hojo's son as well because they cut off all connections with Hojo and only few know that Sephiroth is Hojo's son.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

With Jenova's genetic material in the mix, I would hesitate to speculate on what percentage of his composition would be Wutaian under that scenario.

 

[jazzflower92]

With Jenova's genetic material in the mix, I would hesitate to speculate on what percentage of his composition would be Wutaian under that scenario.

Which brings another theory is that Sephiroth could actually speak Wutain fluently and was taught by Hojo to speak the language.I have a feeling when Sephiroth was still sane and with Shinra he would sometimes get into arguments with Hojo and they would start talking Wutain when the conversations got really ugly.

 

[Shademp]

A shameful headcanon of mine:
Cloud and Tifa can't create their own offspring. Whether it be because of damage Tifa has received in battle, or that the experiments performed on Cloud made him impotent, the two have very low odds of breeding successfully.


IknowIknow it doesn't fit the tone of the franchise at all, but heck it's still my headcanon.

 

[S and G]

A shameful headcanon of mine:
Cloud and Tifa can't create their own offspring. Whether it be because of damage Tifa has received in battle, or that the experiments performed on Cloud made him impotent, the two have very low odds of breeding successfully.

That would be one needy child

 

[jazzflower92]

I know there are some who say that Sephiroth actually met Gast when he was really young and only has foggy memories to look back on.I was thinking that maybe Gast gave Sephiroth something special like a stuffed toy so that he can be made to feel more like a normal child.However,after Gast left Hojo actually got rid of the stuffed toy mainly because he thought that it would make Sephiroth too soft or childish.

 

[Unlucky]

A shameful headcanon of mine:
Cloud and Tifa can't create their own offspring. Whether it be because of damage Tifa has received in battle, or that the experiments performed on Cloud made him impotent, the two have very low odds of breeding successfully.


IknowIknow it doesn't fit the tone of the franchise at all, but heck it's still my headcanon.

My own shameful, cheesy headcanon: Both know about their nil chances of producing offspring so they don't use protection And then Tifa unexpectedly gets preggers.

I know some people aren't keen on the idea but I want a Cloti baby

 

[jazzflower92]

I think when Sephiroth was a kid he used to make up imaginary friends to play with since he didn't have other children to be friends with when he was younger.He would only imagine them up when Hojo wasn't looking because I believe Hojo would dissaprove of Sephiroth doing such childish things like that.

 

[robotwarui]

To explain Marlene's psychic sense of Aerith's presence,

sometimes I like to think Aeris is Marlene's real mother.
I did the calendar math with the timeline (Nibelheim mission, Corel razed) and it fits in perfectly.
Remember Aerith calls Zack when he arrives in Nibelheim. He says "Now's not the best time." Her response sounds a bit discouraged, and he doesn't call her back. To keep her pregnancy hidden from Elmyra and Tseng (who know she's an Ancient) she purposely gets in arguments and fights with Elmyra, for a believable reason to go live with her Aunties in Kalm. Her Aunties help her with an under-the-radar adoption that goes wrong and ends up as a wacky cross-continent adventure for the case worker, and the infant finally ends up in the welcoming arms of a greif-stricken Elaine Eleanor who had suffered a late-term miscarry.

Just for fun.