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Rydeen

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Sasseli said:
Sometimes I think I’m the only one who doesn’t really care for Sephiroth. :shrug:
Plus I hate when franchises I love make stupid product placement or advertise for crap like those Butterfingers now... really puts me off.

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I’m actually not big of ‘ol Sephy either. He was a great villain for the sake of plot development, but just don’t find him that interesting as a character. I think I just don’t find characters that are 100% evil or 100% good that interesting. CC could have done so much more with him.
 
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Jairus

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I can understand that, but at the same time, having everything be gray means nobody is ever really anything. There has to be some black and white.
 
LicoriceAllsorts

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Cloud and Sephiroth hold the same level of interest for me. I love them because they are the core of the game - I mean, they are FFVII - but I've never spent much time pondering the nature of their characters or dreaming up fanfic for them.

And yet for some people Sephiroth is absolutely the most fascinating character in the entire game. Human beings are wonderful.
 
ForceStealer

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Ryvius said:
I’m actually not big of ‘ol Sephy either. He was a great villain for the sake of plot development, but just don’t find him that interesting as a character. I think I just don’t find characters that are 100% evil or 100% good that interesting. CC could have done so much more with him.
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But Sephiroth and Ardyn are probably the "grayest" villains in the whole series? Most of FF has purely evil villains.
 
Glaurung

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Forgot the cutesy in my other pants. Sorry.
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Odysseus said:
Sephiroth is only gray because of his backstory, once he's in Villain mode there's nothing ambiguous about his intentions. He's completely evil.
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The interesting thing about Sephiroth and Ardyn is that, previous to their fall, they weren't much different from any other human being, and that's what makes them relatable, not their superpowers and cruelty once the shit hits the fan.

What I will always find utterly fascinating is that event: the fall. How a relatively normal human being can be twisted into evil incarnate. True, Sephiroth was very efficient as a SOLDIER (which was nothing but a killing machine at the service of a corparation), but from what we could see in CC he still had pretty much the same concerns as his peers, or as any other person would have on his shoes. Ardyn? My goodness, he was practically a saint! I suppose that with Episode Ardyn they stressed that out just so the subsequent stabbing would hurt much more (pun not intended).

So, the interest is not what they do "once" they are evil, but the path they followed before that. We could do the same with many other FF villains, and only the ones from the early games would fall into the "completely and utterly evil without any other reason other than just because". As time went by, they were made more complex as they were given backstories, starting with Kefka, if I remember well.
 
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Odysseus

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Yeah maybe I was a little short sighted. I just wish we knew more about him before he was evil, besides the small glimpses we get in Crisis Core. I don't know if anybody here has ever read Berserk, but I kinda see the Guts/Griffith dynamic as the perfected version of what Cloud and Sephiroth have. I actually know WHY Griffith does what he does, and that make him more compelling.
 
ForceStealer

ForceStealer

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That's a double-edged sword, though. The mysteriousness is part of what makes him. A lot of people even say CC ruined that, although I don't personally agree since it didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know. That he was a fairly normal, if a bit cold, soldier.
 
LicoriceAllsorts

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I didn't like what they did with Sephiroth in Crisis Core. This tragic, lonely figure who doesn't understand why he's different and just wants friends. I would have loved a Sephiroth who got a real blast out of his superpowers, was coldly remote but not in a tragic way, and liked nothing better than killing things. The Sephiroth of CC is just too normal and human and sensible to go beserk in such an extreme way. Yes, I think that's ultimately what I didn't like about CC Sephiroth. He's too sensible.
 
ForceStealer

ForceStealer

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LicoriceAllsorts said:
I didn't like what they did with Sephiroth in Crisis Core. This tragic, lonely figure who doesn't understand why he's different and just wants friends. I would have loved a Sephiroth who got a real blast out of his superpowers, was coldly remote but not in a tragic way, and liked nothing better than killing things. The Sephiroth of CC is just too normal and human and sensible to go beserk in such an extreme way. Yes, I think that's ultimately what I didn't like about CC Sephiroth. He's too sensible.
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The flashbacks in VII really didn't imply that about him.
Also, I really didn't get a "just wants friends" vibe from him in CC. He just had a couple friends which is fairly normal.
 
Glaurung

Glaurung

Forgot the cutesy in my other pants. Sorry.
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LicoriceAllsorts said:
I didn't like what they did with Sephiroth in Crisis Core. This tragic, lonely figure who doesn't understand why he's different and just wants friends. I would have loved a Sephiroth who got a real blast out of his superpowers, was coldly remote but not in a tragic way, and liked nothing better than killing things. The Sephiroth of CC is just too normal and human and sensible to go beserk in such an extreme way. Yes, I think that's ultimately what I didn't like about CC Sephiroth. He's too sensible.
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Well... there's this thing about a mind-controlling parasite DNA intertwined with his own and overriding every normal mental function...

I mean, sometimes a blow to the head can make someone's personality take a U-turn. I can't discount Sephiroth's CC characterizatization as illogical.
 
Odysseus

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I don't think Crisis Core told us enough about him one way or the other to get a read on his personality. I doubt a switch flipped in his head and suddenly he was a complete sadist. I always saw him as having a huge ego about himself. Finding out about his past may have driven him mad, but I think the real thing that made him the megalomaniac we all know was actually Cloud defeating him in the reactor. He had just gotten all hyped up about how cool and special he's supposed to be, then this random nobody background character just up and, pardon my young folk slang, YEETS him into the abyss. That's what I think really pushed him over the edge; his one main quality that he had over everyone, his raw strength, was proven to have fallen short of expectation. That's why he needed to become a god, so that could NEVER happen again.
 
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