Final Fantasy Racing

Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
Are you sure it would be six, 18:00? I thought you were from the USA, none of which lies in the UTC-3 timezone.

Sorry if I'm mistaken. I just don't want us to miss each other by an hour :) Anyway, I'll PM you my Skype name.
 
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Zealkin

Guest
well that's a fail, it would be 10 i tried just looking it up on google didnt work >.>
 

Lex

Administrator
Sorry for the late response, I've been a busy bunny this week! My friend asked me to meet tonight but it's not definite, so count me in. 10pm for me should be fine ^_^
 

Lex

Administrator
I also forgot to mention, my first exam (of 6 very important, very difficult exams involving equations and things to do with action potentials of nerves and brain conductivity... fuck my life) is on the 26th.

I'm not entirely opposed to the 20th, 21st and 22nd, but I had planned to study that weekend. Not too sure if I trust myself to do it this weekend instead.
 

Lex

Administrator
Apologies for the double post, but...

ZEALKIN! Whatever time it is for you right now... you're supposed to be on Skype! ^_^
 

Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
Yes, Zealkin, what happened? :(

Lex and I discussed a couple of things on Skype (in text form), but not as much as either of us would have liked, as we spent a lot of time trying to get my controller and his streaming working. But here is what we came up with:

We'll use the pSX emulator for this race, as it doesn't require any external plugins, so we don't need to worry about having different settings. We'll be playing the NTSC version of the game at 60 FPS.

Assuming we can get everything working (I say we; mine is already working fine), we'll stream our games online. My plan is to put up a page on TLS which will contain the embedded streams as well an IRC applet. I'm trying to get my head around a way in which there could be some voice commentary as well.

Pre-race practice will be voluntarily limited to the community playthrough. I say voluntarily because there's no way of actually knowing how much practising the rest of us are doing, nor are there any penalties for going over the limit. We're just doing it by trust. The reason for having the limit is that we don't want to spend too much time on this, and more importantly, we want an element of the unknown when we get to the actual race :)

That's it for now. There is still plenty to discuss, not least of which is the actual date. Lex has said that he is willing to do it on the 20th-21st-22nd, but if it ends up being just the two of us doing it, we'll probably bring it forward by a week from those dates.
 

Lex

Administrator
Holy shengus.

Well, a few things. Firstly, setting up streaming was an absolute nightmare, but I FINALLY got it working. The irony of the situation is that I got it working well literally one minute after you went off Skype Flint. There's a lag of about 5-10 seconds.

It's actually not too difficult to work it out. The problem I was having was with the Justin.tv site. It's been funny about registration for hours (refusing to send me the e-mail validation). I tried registering with every other website compatible with XSplit, and had limited success with uStream, but it was all blurry and weird (the fault of uStream). I finally got it working by registering with twitch.tv (which I believe is a sister site of Justin.tv).

My channel for during the stream can be found here.

So with that madness behind me, I submit the following for discussion over Skype at some point next week. Or here, then elaborations on Skype. Flint and I were on Skype for 3 hours and 11 minutes tonight and only spoke about the emulation because of Justin.tv's many ineptitudes >_>

  • We need to discuss exactly how the timing of this should work. Do we synchronise our clocks somehow, or should we use a universal clock website? I mean so that our pressing of "NEW GAME" is synchronised.
  • Related again to timing. I'm unclear on whether this is being done in sessions or as a marathon. By which I mean, do we play for say 6 hours straight then all stop at the same time? Or do we fire on for as long as we can?
  • Taking breaks - I'm pretty sure if we're taking breaks they're of our own accord and therefore detrimental to our playthrough. I'm just not clear on whether this is the case if the above is true. Synchronised breaks?
  • Progress updates. While I'm sure people will tune in to each of our streams from time to time Flint and I agreed that it would be stupid to have each other's playthrough streams open in another window. How should progress updates be delivered and by whom? Maybe some people want to volunteer to keep an eye on it and post updates in the thread every 2 hours or so?
  • Commentary/ Chat. Flint mentioned he'd be posting in IRC during FMV's and such. I'll make an effort to do the same. Commentary is another beast though - it's easy enough to set your microphone up with XSplit if you so wish. I'm not entirely sure this is something I want to do because it might be a bit distracting while trying to run around ^_^. XSplit also has a Skype function, but I'm not at all clear on how it works. I realise the person playing wouldn't be talking constantly - it needs discussion.
  • What time are we starting at on the Friday? What time are we playing until on the Friday? Until the rules are laid out, I can't make any suggestions. A slow person can probably make it through the game in sub 20 hours if they skip the sidequests.
  • Time Zones need to be considered, as obviously the arrangement to meet on Skype failed! Hahaha. I am GMT, Flint is GMT+2... Zealkin - I don't have a clue where you live. If you're in the USA/Canada, you're between 5-8 hours behind me, and 7-10 hours behind Flint. Meaning you'd have to start in the morning and we'd have to start in the afternoon.

Also, I just tried pSX and I hate it, it's ugly. But it runs fast so it'll do. Also less likely to experience crashes because it's accurate emulation as opposed to the hacky nature of ePSXe.

I'll probably update this post when I think of something else ^_^.
 
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Zealkin

Guest
I'm sooo sorrry! I had to go to fencing tonight! And I got the time wrong. I was originally right then, since you posted about 4 hours ago I would have had to be on at my time zone at around 5 30 >.>

Is it possible you guys can skype tomorrow, if you still need too? Oh and is it okay if my brother joins too?
 

Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
Wall of text coming up.

We need to discuss exactly how the timing of this should work. Do we synchronise our clocks somehow, or should we use a universal clock website? I mean so that our pressing of "NEW GAME" is synchronised.
This has crossed my mind too. I think we should all synchronise our clocks, to the second, and then start when it reaches exactly some o'clock. This is also relevant for the next points:

Related again to timing. I'm unclear on whether this is being done in sessions or as a marathon. By which I mean, do we play for say 6 hours straight then all stop at the same time? Or do we fire on for as long as we can?

Taking breaks - I'm pretty sure if we're taking breaks they're of our own accord and therefore detrimental to our playthrough. I'm just not clear on whether this is the case if the above is true. Synchronised breaks?
I think we should agree to do it in fixed-length sessions, with pre-arranged breaks. On the first day, for example, we could do 2 hours of playing, then have a 15 minute break, then have another two hours of playing before a half hour break, and finally another two hours of playing. We'd get six hours of the game done in total. After that we would judge our progress and decide whether we need to play for longer on the second day (which would be Saturday, so I'm assuming we'd have more free time). On the third day, we'd just play to the end. When it comes time for a break, we should be able to just open pSX's menu, which will pause the game in real time, no matter what part of the game we've reached.

Alternatively, we could set up checkpoints for the end of each day. Let's say the first day's checkpoint is getting the buggy, the second day's checkpoint is after the lifestream sequence, and the third day's checkpoint is the end of the game. I've just guessed those to try and divide it into thirds. When the first player reaches a checkpoint, they save the game and then say something in IRC. When the trailing players reach the same place, they also talk in IRC so that everyone there can see the timestamp difference between them. The next day, the leading player would get a head start equal to the lead they had at the end of the previous day.

I wouldn't be against splitting it up into four days (probably Thursday through Sunday) if we feel like it would be more manageable. Even though it should be possible to complete it in 18 hours, as you say, I would hate for someone, even the person in last place, to get prevented from completing the game due to running out of time. I mentioned that we can be flexible on deciding how long we want to play for after we have been through the first day, but as a guideline, I think we should allow at least 20 hours, if not more.

Progress updates. While I'm sure people will tune in to each of our streams from time to time Flint and I agreed that it would be stupid to have each other's playthrough streams open in another window. How should progress updates be delivered and by whom? Maybe some people want to volunteer to keep an eye on it and post updates in the thread every 2 hours or so?

Commentary/ Chat. Flint mentioned he'd be posting in IRC during FMV's and such. I'll make an effort to do the same. Commentary is another beast though - it's easy enough to set your microphone up with XSplit if you so wish. I'm not entirely sure this is something I want to do because it might be a bit distracting while trying to run around ^_^. XSplit also has a Skype function, but I'm not at all clear on how it works. I realise the person playing wouldn't be talking constantly - it needs discussion.
IRC is going to be the place to follow this. As I mentioned, I'll set up a page with our embedded streams and the pre-existing chat applet, so they are all available in one place. I've been playing with the idea of Skype commentary but I think it would get too complicated. Instead, I'd like for us, the players, to make ourselves available on IRC during our breaks (after we've eaten and taken care of other urgent business, of course) to answer questions. Posting during FMVs might not always be possible. I'd like it if there was some kind of IRC "host" - someone with a fast internet connection and a good knowledge of the game - who could explain what is going on to new people in the chat room, answer the obvious questions and make a note of the less obvious ones to ask us when we have our breaks. They could also post updates on the forum, as you suggested, every now and again. They could also act as the umpire in case of any disputes. Any volunteers?

What time are we starting at on the Friday? What time are we playing until on the Friday? Until the rules are laid out, I can't make any suggestions. A slow person can probably make it through the game in sub 20 hours if they skip the sidequests.

Time Zones need to be considered, as obviously the arrangement to meet on Skype failed! Hahaha. I am GMT, Flint is GMT+2... Zealkin - I don't have a clue where you live. If you're in the USA/Canada, you're between 5-8 hours behind me, and 7-10 hours behind Flint. Meaning you'd have to start in the morning and we'd have to start in the afternoon.

I still have no idea. I'd like to do it so that I can go to bed at a reasonable time, but it all depends on Zealkin really, and whether she has any commitments for Friday, for example. I wouldn't mind making the weekday sessions late ones so long as the weekend sessions can take place a bit earlier.

I'm sooo sorrry! I had to go to fencing tonight! And I got the time wrong. I was originally right then, since you posted about 4 hours ago I would have had to be on at my time zone at around 5 30 >.>

Is it possible you guys can skype tomorrow, if you still need too? Oh and is it okay if my brother joins too?
If you're on the east coast, Zealkin, the arranged time would have been 17:00 for you :)

I can't Skype tonight because I'm going away for the weekend, but next week would be fine. Or we can continue to discuss things in this thread instead. What are your thoughts on what Lex and I have written above? Most importantly, what dates and times would be good for you?

I don't see why your brother couldn't join us, providing he can also set up and stream his game as described above. He should sign up on TLS first though! :D
 
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Zealkin

Guest
I can't Skype tonight because I'm going away for the weekend, but next week would be fine. Or we can continue to discuss things in this thread instead. What are your thoughts on what Lex and I have written above? Most importantly, what dates and times would be good for you?

I don't see why your brother couldn't join us, providing he can also set up and stream his game as described above. He should sign up on TLS first though! :D
if we could set up another skype that would be good, and we can continue planning here. I would probably need some help doing the live-stream as I've never done it before though. Time intervals/breaks sound good to me, and as long as the dates is between the 17-22 I'm okay with it.

uhh nvm about him signing up though >.>
 

Lex

Administrator
Another player would be great! I'm really looking forward to doing this.

I agree with the 15 minute then 30 minute break scenario. I just know I'm going to want to see what's going on in IRC while I'm playing hahaha. Someone acting as an overseer would be good, but maybe it's a bit unrealistic to ask someone to do so for the full time we'll be playing? But if someone does have that time to spare it would be fantastic.

We should definitely set times to start and stop, and the checkpoint scenario is great. Time zone wise it's a different beast though.

Personally I'm available all day every day on Friday, Saturday and Sunday due to being on exam leave (and there's that guilty pang again...) but we need to agree on a weekend A.S.A.P so that I can actually plan what subjects I should be studying on what days.

EDIT: I see that you replied. So it's the following week/weekend then, I'm OK with that.
 
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Fangu

Great Old One
My plan is to put up a page on TLS which will contain the embedded streams as well an IRC applet.
If Yop's too busy to get this done, I can set up a test page on the test server (the old server) and when it works and looks fine you guys can pester Yop to make a page on the real server based on what tested as the best solution. Just PM me.
 

Lex

Administrator
Problem: pSX keeps crashing. Game plays perfectly then occasionally hangs.

EDIT: I changed the settings and it works. Something to do with VSync. I'm still afraid of it though.
 
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Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
If you want to go back to ePSXe, it's not too late. Everyone just has to use the software video and sound plugins :)
 

Lex

Administrator
I would rather use pSX because it's a bit lighter on the resources than ePSXe. I played through the same part again last night and it seems to be working OK, I'm just super worried that when it comes time for the race...

Think about it. You haven't saved for ages and you've done well. Program crash. Immediate vomit.
 

Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
We'd work it out between ourselves - for example, by allowing players to return to the point they had got to before - to make sure nobody suffers from unexpected hardware failure :)
 
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Zealkin

Guest
the 14th-16th is good again for me guys, and sorry i missed the skype, i just now got the message
 

Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
Because I thought we were doing this on the 20th-22nd, I arranged for someone to come over and stay with me for this coming weekend, so I can't do it.

When can you Skype, Zealkin? You don't seem to be able to make it when we try to arrange something, so maybe you should choose a time instead :)
 
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Zealkin

Guest
Tomorrow or Friday anytime from 3:30 eastern time onward. If those days are okay with you that is.
 

Lex

Administrator
Zealkin, I'm happy to wait for a bit if you're on and can't get Skype working or something ^_^
 
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