Final Fantasy XIII - Sum-Ups, Reviews, Opinions? *SPOILERS*

[Cat Rage Room]

FFX-2 don't exist

FFX-2 actually has some of the most solid gameplay of the series and probably the overall best battle system.

The plot is silly, but the gameplay has yet to be matched.

 

[Zee]

The battle system was fun, yes. But I still didn't give a shit about the characters, the plot was still retarded, and a fun battle system still doesn't change the fact that the price fell fast.

 

[Makoeyes987]

The battle system was fun, yes. But I still didn't give a shit about the characters, the plot was still retarded, and a fun battle system still doesn't change the fact that the price fell fast.

That sounds like a personal problem to me.

FFX-2 was one of the best in the series, and haters can stfu and go play their action corridor simulator with lesbians.

And FFX-2's price did not fall fast. It sold over a million copies just like FFX did, and is one of the best selling in the series as well.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

The battle system was fun, yes. But I still didn't give a shit about the characters, the plot was still retarded, and a fun battle system still doesn't change the fact that the price fell fast.

The funny thing about gameplay (the most fundamental aspect of 99% of games) is that it has a carry over effect, unlike a plot. You can't really use a plot twice over, but you can easily tweak and improve the gameplay and use it for future titles, especially within a series (which is what SE used to actually do). Instead of Square looking back at games such as FFX-2 and going "Well, the plot was silly and the characters weren't really a hit, but we can and should definitely adopt the gameplay and battle system for future titles", they negated all of that and actually regressed with FFXIII.

Having a stellar plot but lackluster, almost nonexistent gameplay isn't an excuse when an installment, just a few numbers ago boasted some of the most exciting and intuitive gameplay of the series.

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's what pisses me off about FFXIII the most. It's evolution in terms of the franchise is backwards. I'd expect something like that from a game maybe before FFVII or something. Its a shit RPG and a shit example of what FF should've been building off of in terms of its gameplay and RPG mechanics.

People bitching about RPGs playing as RPGs is the reason FFXIII exists. Cliche stories, repetitive gameplay and generic pretty anime characters DO NOT MAKE A GAME. I don't care how hot they are in 720p. I'm not paying 60 fucking dollars to watch ACC's sequel.

Give me a game where I do shit, explore, play, and have an RPG experience, and I'll gladly sacrifice the graphics.

 

[Zee]

That sounds like a personal problem to me.

Not liking the characters is a personal opinion. But the plot was extremely lame.

FFX-2 was one of the best in the series,

and haters can stfu and go play their action corridor simulator with lesbians.

I guess I'll have to make due with my sexy lesbians.

 

[Max Payne]

The battle system was fun, yes. But I still didn't give a shit about the characters, the plot was still retarded, and a fun battle system still doesn't change the fact that the price fell fast.

Funny, people have being saying the exact same about FFXIII.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

FFX-2 was one of the best in the series

As far as the gameplay? Yes.

See, that's the thing. I'm totally okay with someone not liking a game for it being a game, as long as the game tries. For example, I wasn't the biggest fan of FF12. I thought it was an okay experience. But the gameplay did have a lot of stuff that the other FFs didn't, and even if I didn't like the execution of some things, the progress and willingness to mix things up with the gameplay was there. It's not my favorite FF, but I respect it because it attempted to evolve in terms of plot and gameplay.

FFXIII's gameplay, just...wasn't there at all.

edit: yeah and dacon just schooled this motherfucker up

 

[Zee]

Funny, people have being saying the exact same about FFXIII.

Actually, I've seen most people say that the character development was some of the best in the series despite whatever issues they had with the gameplay, so.

 

[Splintered]

FFX-2 was one of the best in the series

 

[Makoeyes987]

Not liking the characters is a personal opinion. But the plot was extremely lame.

Is it any lamer than most RPG storylines though? Again, comparing it to FFX, sure. It's not nearly as dramatic, but it wasn't ever meant to be like FFX in the first place. The game was meant as a fun, lighthearted adventure in a world that's been oppressed and overshadowed by death most of its recorded history. You don't expect American Beauty brilliance from a Die Hard or Charlies' Angels film.

I guess I'll have to make due with my sexy lesbians.

Fair enough, but when FF starts getting shittier you'll only have yourself to blame.

And the only person wanking off to FFXIII's characterization is Tres, and that's the bastard who says Dragonball Evolution was a good film, and V for Vendetta was better off as a film.

NOW WHO YOU GONNA BELIEVE?

 

[Max Payne]

Actually, I've seen most people say that the character development was some of the best in the series despite whatever issues they had with the gameplay, so.

Yeah, maybe in whatever crowds you run with, but I've seen an assload of people across everyone gaming board I visit, that are dissatisfied with the generic animu characters and tropes the game abuses.

It's nothing special, and citing poorly written characters in a poorly written story of a poorly designed game as a plus is pretty sad.

"Haters gonna Hate" is only applicable when there's no legitimate complaints to be had, so gtfo with that weak shit son.

 

[Zee]

Is it any lamer than most RPG storylines though?

YES, YES IT WAS.

The game being lighthearted wasn't my problem with it.

Fair enough, but when FF starts getting shittier you'll only have yourself to blame.

Holy fuck I'm gonna work for SE in the future?

There will be lesbians.

Lesbians everywhere.

It's nothing special, and citing poorly written characters in a poorly written story of a poorly designed game as a plus is pretty sad.

"Haters gonna Hate" is only applicable when there's no legitimate complaints to be had, so gtfo with that weak shit son.

When it comes to the characters? Nah, you really don't ~son~
Complain as much as you want, the characters were very well written (liking them or not is a different story, you realize, characters can still be well written even if you hate them), sorry if that pains you.

NOW WHO YOU GONNA BELIEVE?

Tres because I fap to his posts at night.

 

[Max Payne]

The day when batshit fangirls make games will truly be a dark one.

 

[Makoeyes987]

YES, YES IT WAS.

The game being lighthearted wasn't my problem with it.

Give me Vegnagun attached to an actual RPG, and I'll gladly match make monkeys and kick ass on the Besaid Gunner's Gauntlet every single day. Please. That's what gamers want.

Holy fuck I'm gonna work for SE in the future?

There will be lesbians.

Lesbians everywhere.

Hey, that too. If you do, please make sure they make games and not interactive movies.

If they made games, with lesbians, then I'd forgive them.

 

[Zee]

The day when batshit fangirls make games will truly be a dark one.

Replying to a troll post!

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Complain as much as you want, the characters were very well written (liking them or not is a different story, you realize, characters can still be well written even if you hate them), sorry if that pains you.

...they...really weren't though. Very well characterized? Sure. Very well written? No. Also, protip; even if the characters were well written, leaving the rest of the non main characters to rot negates the effort entirely. Did anyone seriously think Bartanthalus was a well written character? Seriously?!

Sahz is the exception, though. Very good character.

 

[Makoeyes987]

FFVI, FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, and FFX have much better characterization than anything FFXIII could throw and they have inferior graphics. With FFVI, and FFIX standing at the top.

A few gems among the rough don't give FFXIII that distinction at all. Yeah, Sazh was awesome but he's not gonna lift the entire game. He ain't that much of a balla.

 

[Max Payne]

When it comes to the characters? Nah, you really don't ~son~
Complain as much as you want, the characters were very well written (liking them or not is a different story, you realize, characters can still be well written even if you hate them), sorry if that pains you.

Yeah, I really do.

To anyone who reads literature or takes in a good amount of media, it's pretty obvious that it's nothing special in terms of writing. The characters aren't well written, that fall into the same pitfalls most anime and video games do. It's doesn't "pain me" lol what a joke. I recognize it for what it is.

I don't "hate" the characters, but I also don't love them, which is a failure in and of itself. I don't particularly feel anything towards the characters and the plot they're trapped in. Sahz is the only character in the game I found remotely interesting.

I'm sorry you can't accept that people didn't like this game and see the need to defend it so vehemently that you make childish quips about "Haters hating" and such nonsense, but repeating yourself over and over again doesn't delegitimize my claims. You have to make an actual argument there. Saying oh, THESE PEOPLE LOVED IT SO IT HAS TO BE GOOD, THESE PEOPLE HATED IT SO IT HAS TO BE BAD, isn't an argument. It's just being defensive.

 

[Splintered]

Yeah, maybe in whatever crowds you run with, but I've seen an assload of people across everyone gaming board I visit, that are dissatisfied with the generic animu characters and tropes the game abuses.

And I've seen an assload of people who actually really enjoyed the characters and loved having a character centric game. Maybe we're just from different parts of the internet but I heard a lot of people say the characters were the strong part of XIII.

No one is trying to justify lack of exploring. I said once that it added to the sense of isolation but I also said it was the most disappointing feature. The fans all said it. The critics all said it. The proffessional reviews all said it. Unless Squenix is blind, deaf, and stupid, they've probably heard the complaints. Just because I enjoyed FFXIII isn't going to mean there is going to be the certain destruction of all exploration as we know it. I was a miscalculation, albeit a big one, and they've got to understand that by now.

This thread has more melodrama than all of FFXIII.

 

[Makoeyes987]

And I've seen an assload of people who actually really enjoyed the characters and loved having a character centric game. Maybe we're just from different parts of the internet but I heard a lot of people say the characters were the strong part of XIII.

You want a "character centric" game. Read a book.

No one is trying to justify lack of exploring. I said once that it added to the sense of isolation but I also said it was the most disappointing feature. The fans all said it. The critics all said it. The proffessional reviews all said it. Unless Squenix is blind, deaf, and stupid, they've probably heard the complaints. Just because I enjoyed FFXIII isn't going to mean there is going to be the certain destruction of all exploration as we know it. I was a miscalculation, albeit a big one, and they've got to understand that by now.

Actually yes. S-E is blind, deaf, and stupid. Look at what they're putting their effort in, and saying about an FFVII remake.

 

[Splintered]

You want a "character centric" game. Read a book.

Or play a character centric story game. Either one.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I actually have to respect Splintered's stance on this, man. While you enjoyed the game it seems, you have a realistic attitude and is down to earth about it. Can't hate on that.

 

[Max Payne]

This thread has more melodrama than all of FFXIII.

I always see these complaints when people have a discussion about a game's faults and lack thereof. Critisizing something and discussing said criticism is melodrama now? Wow you must not be into politics. Either way it adds nothing to the discussion and is mostly just a baseless complaint.

And nothing has more melodrama than 13. No one in this thread has collapsed into violent fits of crying.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Or play a character centric story game. Either one.

But that's not a game. You shouldn't be playing a GAME to get a character focused form of entertainment. That's what movies, television, and books are for. Story is important, but the game performing its function should be supreme.

And I shall hate on any and all I please, because if there's one character I have lots in common with, it's Kefka. And Kefka and I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE...a lot of things.