Final Fantasy XIII - Sum-Ups, Reviews, Opinions? *SPOILERS*

[Max Payne]

Hey guys, I heard Avatar is the best thing ever from a bunch of folks, gotta be true. Cuz crappy stuff is never popular.

 

[Zee]

...they...really weren't though. Very well characterized? Sure. Very well written? No. Also, protip; even if the characters were well written, leaving the rest of the non main characters to rot negates the effort entirely. Did anyone seriously think Bartanthalus was a well written character? Seriously?!

Sahz is the exception, though. Very good character.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there (SURPRISE), I feel like they were all written well and their development was realistic. I liked a few of the non main characters, but they just weren't the focus of the story. I didn't feel like I was really missing out on anything by not knowing them in depth.

Anyway, I like how this thread went from "Reviews and Opinions" to a debate because I don't automatically agree with all of the complaints.

 

[Splintered]

The day when batshit fangirls make games will truly be a dark one.

 

[looneymoon]

The writing in FFXIII was actually pretty good in some instances. It just seemed they churned out a couple of golden scenes ("You think everything is sugar and rainbows") but the rest was just sorta... lazy, filler.

The climax/denouement was terrible too.

but I still like the main characters (minus maybe Snow), despite the all-around shoddy script.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there (SURPRISE), I feel like they were all written well and their development was realistic. I liked a few of the non main characters, but they just weren't the focus of the story. I didn't feel like I was really missing out on anything by not knowing them in depth.

Yeah I can't really argue with someone who thought Bartanthalus was well written. I submit.

 

[Max Payne]

Anyway, I like how this thread went from "Reviews and Opinions" to a debate because I don't automatically agree with all of the complaints.

That's what happens when people dispute opinions.

You can like something, but that doesn't make it well crafted.

I love the Chronicles or Riddick, that doesn't make it a superb film. In fact it's badly written, has some awful action scenes, and some nonsensical physics. But it's still good entertainment.

 

[Zee]

Yeah I can't really argue with someone who thought Bartanthalus was well written. I submit.

Except I didn't say that.

lmao holy fuck you guys THIS THREAD

You can like something, but that doesn't make it well crafted.

I love the Chronicles or Riddick, that doesn't make it a superb film. In fact it's badly written, has some awful action scenes, and some nonsensical physics. But it's still good entertainment.

And I already said that FFXIII has it's issues and it's not perfect, but that it did have places where it shined. Sorry that I'm not jumping all over the hate bandwagon and that I actually had fun with it, I know it's what all the cool kids are doing.

 

[Max Payne]

The writing in FFXIII was actually pretty good in some instances. It just seemed they churned out a couple of golden scenes ("You think everything is sugar and rainbows") but the rest was just sorta... lazy, filler.

The climax/denouement was terrible too.

but I still like the main characters (minus maybe Snow), despite the all-around shoddy script.

It has it's moments, a game this long always will. But the rest of it can leave such a bad taste that you can forget that.

 

[Max Payne]

I know it's what all the cool kids are doing.

Yeah because people are only voicing their complaints because it's popular to do so.

 

[Makoeyes987]

It's not just the cool kids. Just anyone who wants to play a good FF game. FFS, you think everyone in Japan is taking crazy pills or something? The games 5 fucking dollars over there. You know what equivalent game from S-E is selling for 5 bucks over here in the US?

The Bouncer. The sales for FFXIII are equivalent to the fucking Bouncer over here. Which was a game released 2001.

Not even Japan could eat that shit pie. Do you understand how fucked up that is?

 

[Cat Rage Room]

The Bouncer. The sales for FFXIII are equivalent to the fucking Bouncer over here. Which was a game released 2001.

goddamn i never looked at it that way

thats fucked up

 

[Max Payne]

Derp.

Then again it would be a switch up from middle aged white men and crazy japs

 

[Zee]

Where are you getting $5 from? From what I heard, they tried to overprice FFXIII when it first came out and are now dropping the price as a result, but only to about $44 which is far more reasonable that the near $100 they were asking for before.

 

[Max Payne]

Wait, I didn't know the Bouncer sold that well

 

[Max Payne]

Where are you getting $5 from? From what I heard, they tried to overprice FFXIII when it first came out and are now dropping the price as a result, but only to about $44 which is far more reasonable that the near $100 they were asking for before.

You can get FFXIII for pretty cheap on the webs without buying it used, and there was a sale at target about a week ago where you could get it for 34 bucks.

Dunno about the average price at retail tho

 

[Makoeyes987]

Final Fantasy XIII is selling for five bucks in Japan.

And look, here's some more proof.

DRINK THIS SHIT IN. LOOK AT IT. REMEMBER IT. AND SEE HOW FAR THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN. THIS IS YOUR GOD NOW.

 

[Zee]

What’s more, this is a limited, first come, first served sale, available to only ten customers (one copy, per shopper).

Okay, so what you linked me to was a deal on the game at one retailer and not the average retail price of the game.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Okay, so what you linked me to was a deal on the game at one retailer and not the average retail price of the game.

Yeah, good job ignoring the fact its widely being bought for less the 300 yen, at most game places, showing the games value is laughably low.

Look at this blog that shows the price devaluation over the course of the game's release..which is less than a year.

Don't put your head in the sand. The average retail price for the game has plummeted. And there are even photos to prove it.

Here's even more proof. Edumacate yourself.

FFXIII ain't even cuttin' it compared to the other numbered games of the franchise. It's scrubbed out.

 

[Zee]

Yeah, good job ignoring the fact its widely being bought for less the 300 yen, at most game places, showing the games value is laughably low.

At second hand retailer shops.

Look at this blog that shows the price devaluation over the course of the game's release..which is less than a year.

Thanks because I'm fluent in Japanese.

The average retail price for the game has plummeted.

Yes, because they are trying to make up for the fact that they tried to overprice it in the beginning. However you're trying to make it seem like it's selling for dirt cheap on average when that's not really the case. The price has dropped, yes, but it's still in the range of $30-50, it seems.

 

[Makoeyes987]

At second hand retailer shops.

...That's the only type of retail shops that buy used games. A newly released game that's less than a year old should not be getting less than 1/4th of its price. A PS3 game goes for 55 to 60 bucks. Trade in value should not be 5 bucks.

Thanks because I'm fluent in Japanese.

That's what google translate is for. Or just look at the numbers and Yen signs. It's not hard to understand.

Yes, because they are trying to make up for the fact that they tried to overprice it in the beginning. However you're trying to make it seem like it's selling for dirt cheap on average when that's not really the case.

Even when overpriced, the game eventually went to the normal price of a PS3 game. Then it dropped to 40. Then its been a downward spiral ever since. PS3 games are not 20 dollars at retail stores. Gamestop does not offer new released, used PS3 games for 20 bucks unless they suck.

IT IS SELLING FOR DIRT CHEAP. CHEAP FOR A PS3 GAME.

 

[Zee]

That's what google translate is for. Or just look at the numbers and Yen signs. It's not hard to understand.

I cba

You might think that they are dumping copies because the game wasn’t selling well, but that isn’t the case; the game sold over 1.5 million copies in Japan during its first week.

Most likely, low buy-back prices means that many players, who have probably already finished the title, are selling back the game.

Retailer Sofmap in Tokyo's Akihabara has stacks and stacks of Final Fantasy XIII. Yours for ¥3,980 ($44), but this is a limited time sale promotion. To point to this as a sign that FFXIII was some sort of failure in Japan is a mistake. It's not that at all. However, it does show that retailers might have ordered too many copies of the game and are trying to unload copies.

1, 2, 3

There are other factors leading to the price drop other than "the game sucks", jsyk.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I cba

1, 2, 3

There are other factors leading to the price drop other than "the game sucks", jsyk.

If people are selling the game back right after playing it, that means they don't want it. And the hype of FFXIII didn't live up to demand. Hence retailers needing to dump their copies ASAP.

If people are rushing to give the game back, that means its fucking sucking. They don't want it. It's outlived whatever charm it may have had. I don't care how people rationalize it. The price and demand speaks for itself. Nobody pulled this with FFXII, MGS4, or any other hugely hyped game in Japan. A game that's less than a year old does not get a buy back value of less than five bucks unless its been blackballed by bad reviews, poor sales and word of mouth.

 

[Zee]

The game isn't all that long, some people do trade the game in after they finish to save up for whatever else is coming out. I love FFXIII, but I agree it doesn't have great replay value, so after you finish it there is no point in keeping it.

However, again, that doesn't mean the sole reason for the cheap buyback is that everyone hates it. The game got good reviews, sold well here and overseas, and now people are focusing on the new titles coming out.

 

[Makoeyes987]

The game isn't all that long, some people do trade the game in after they finish to save up for whatever else is coming out. I love FFXIII, but I agree it doesn't have great replay value, so after you finish it there is no point in keeping it.

That right there shows that FFXIII's sales are inferior to other games and it's poorly designed. If a game makes you want to just sell it right back after beating it because owning has no purpose, then congratulations, you just bought a dud. Games are meant to be sold and not devalue less than year into release.

However, again, that doesn't mean the sole reason for the cheap buyback is that everyone hates it. The game got good reviews, sold well here and overseas, and now people are focusing on the new titles coming out.

They obviously don't love it enough to keep it. I'm sorry, maybe 'hate' is too strong a word. That would indicate some form of emotion or attachment. They just don't give a shit. The game's a waste of time and they want to sell it.

Again. You can rationalize and normalize this as much as you want. But this shit shows FFXIII's sales and long term profitability are abysmal. If all of S-E's games sold like this, they'd be fucked.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Mako, I'm on your side here, but I've read that FFXIII sold rather well in Japan. Perhaps one of us should pull up some numbers here to supplement ourselves.

Just want to make sure everyone is fighting with the right facts here.