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Lex
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So did you want me to help with the recategorisation or what?
And if I could make a suggestion, I think everyone should justify the body of text. It's not the standard anywhere and that's probably for some artsy fartsy or other technical reason, but I think it looks messy when left align is used. I'm a bit neurotic about that. The whole article just looks neater if the text is justified. I also think all tables, videos and images should be centered where there's no text wrapped around them, and for some reason I see a lot of old articles where people don't separate paragraphs properly.
More neurosis:
Here's an example of the same two paragraphs, separated in the two ways that are "correct" (I've pulled this from an old immunology essay I did for uni last year, sorry about the topic):
Number 3 has to stop. Number 3 is infuriating and should be burned alive. It looks terrible and is not a valid means of separating paragraphs. Either that or I haven't been brainwashed growing up to believe it is like 1 and 2 and other people have.
I'm sure there are a million things wrong with my articles, but I am slightly neurotic about the way I format them so I apologise for sounding aloof and dickheady here. I will not use left align, the foot is down.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that I use "2" in articles and for readability would suggest that this be the case universally. I also have a tendency to ramble on but try to keep "paragraphs" within news articles as concise as possible - I think this is something I need to work on. I might try working a bit more opinion in in the future. I did this with the KH 1.5 article because I was pissed off about the lack of X HD info.
And if I could make a suggestion, I think everyone should justify the body of text. It's not the standard anywhere and that's probably for some artsy fartsy or other technical reason, but I think it looks messy when left align is used. I'm a bit neurotic about that. The whole article just looks neater if the text is justified. I also think all tables, videos and images should be centered where there's no text wrapped around them, and for some reason I see a lot of old articles where people don't separate paragraphs properly.
More neurosis:
Here's an example of the same two paragraphs, separated in the two ways that are "correct" (I've pulled this from an old immunology essay I did for uni last year, sorry about the topic):
[[[[[]]]]]Influenza A is a single stranded, negative sense RNA virus. Subtypes of Influenza A are labelled according to the Haemagglutinin (“H” Number) and Neuraminidase (“N” Number) on the protein envelope of the virus i.e. “H1N1”. The image above depicts an electron micrograph of Influenza A virus, exhibiting visible structure. The virion has a round shape, consisting on the outside of a lipid membrane containing the aforementioned Haemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins, giving a “spiked” appearance. The lipid membrane surrounds “M1” or “Matrix protein 1”, which acts as a support structure for rigidity. This structure in turn envelops the inner contents of the virion, including 8 single RNA strands.
[[[[[]]]]]Within an infected cell, proteins present within the cytoplasm or membrane called Pattern Recognition Receptors or “PRR’s” detect the presence of foreign invasive elements such as the nucleic acids or proteins present within a virion. PRR’s are an example of TLR’s or “Toll-like receptors”. In the case of Influenza A, proteins present within the cytoplasm of the cell (RIG-I (Retinoic-Acid Inducible Gene-I) and TLR7) are able to detect double or single stranded RNA with 5’ triphosphates. As this kind of RNA is unusual in an uninfected cell, the RIG-I protein will bind the RNA of the virus and stimulate the production of cytokines and type I IFN’s (Interferon’s) causing an inflammatory response. The IFN released will bind with receptors on other cells and stimulate the release of more antiviral proteins. Cytokines in the system are usually the indicating factor when a viral infection has taken place, as their circulation can cause lethargy, muscle pain, loss of appetite, fever and nausea. The type I IFN’s produced are IFN-α and IFN-β, which limit the synthesis of new proteins in virally infected cells, thus slowing replication.
[[[[[]]]]]Within an infected cell, proteins present within the cytoplasm or membrane called Pattern Recognition Receptors or “PRR’s” detect the presence of foreign invasive elements such as the nucleic acids or proteins present within a virion. PRR’s are an example of TLR’s or “Toll-like receptors”. In the case of Influenza A, proteins present within the cytoplasm of the cell (RIG-I (Retinoic-Acid Inducible Gene-I) and TLR7) are able to detect double or single stranded RNA with 5’ triphosphates. As this kind of RNA is unusual in an uninfected cell, the RIG-I protein will bind the RNA of the virus and stimulate the production of cytokines and type I IFN’s (Interferon’s) causing an inflammatory response. The IFN released will bind with receptors on other cells and stimulate the release of more antiviral proteins. Cytokines in the system are usually the indicating factor when a viral infection has taken place, as their circulation can cause lethargy, muscle pain, loss of appetite, fever and nausea. The type I IFN’s produced are IFN-α and IFN-β, which limit the synthesis of new proteins in virally infected cells, thus slowing replication.
Influenza A is a single stranded, negative sense RNA virus. Subtypes of Influenza A are labelled according to the Haemagglutinin (“H” Number) and Neuraminidase (“N” Number) on the protein envelope of the virus i.e. “H1N1”. The image above depicts an electron micrograph of Influenza A virus, exhibiting visible structure. The virion has a round shape, consisting on the outside of a lipid membrane containing the aforementioned Haemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins, giving a “spiked” appearance. The lipid membrane surrounds “M1” or “Matrix protein 1”, which acts as a support structure for rigidity. This structure in turn envelops the inner contents of the virion, including 8 single RNA strands.
Within an infected cell, proteins present within the cytoplasm or membrane called Pattern Recognition Receptors or “PRR’s” detect the presence of foreign invasive elements such as the nucleic acids or proteins present within a virion. PRR’s are an example of TLR’s or “Toll-like receptors”. In the case of Influenza A, proteins present within the cytoplasm of the cell (RIG-I (Retinoic-Acid Inducible Gene-I) and TLR7) are able to detect double or single stranded RNA with 5’ triphosphates. As this kind of RNA is unusual in an uninfected cell, the RIG-I protein will bind the RNA of the virus and stimulate the production of cytokines and type I IFN’s (Interferon’s) causing an inflammatory response. The IFN released will bind with receptors on other cells and stimulate the release of more antiviral proteins. Cytokines in the system are usually the indicating factor when a viral infection has taken place, as their circulation can cause lethargy, muscle pain, loss of appetite, fever and nausea. The type I IFN’s produced are IFN-α and IFN-β, which limit the synthesis of new proteins in virally infected cells, thus slowing replication.
Within an infected cell, proteins present within the cytoplasm or membrane called Pattern Recognition Receptors or “PRR’s” detect the presence of foreign invasive elements such as the nucleic acids or proteins present within a virion. PRR’s are an example of TLR’s or “Toll-like receptors”. In the case of Influenza A, proteins present within the cytoplasm of the cell (RIG-I (Retinoic-Acid Inducible Gene-I) and TLR7) are able to detect double or single stranded RNA with 5’ triphosphates. As this kind of RNA is unusual in an uninfected cell, the RIG-I protein will bind the RNA of the virus and stimulate the production of cytokines and type I IFN’s (Interferon’s) causing an inflammatory response. The IFN released will bind with receptors on other cells and stimulate the release of more antiviral proteins. Cytokines in the system are usually the indicating factor when a viral infection has taken place, as their circulation can cause lethargy, muscle pain, loss of appetite, fever and nausea. The type I IFN’s produced are IFN-α and IFN-β, which limit the synthesis of new proteins in virally infected cells, thus slowing replication.
Influenza A is a single stranded, negative sense RNA virus.
Subtypes of Influenza A are labelled according to the Haemagglutinin (“H” Number) and Neuraminidase (“N” Number) on the protein envelope of the virus i.e. “H1N1”.
The image above depicts an electron micrograph of Influenza A virus, exhibiting visible structure.
The virion has a round shape, consisting on the outside of a lipid membrane containing the aforementioned Haemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins, giving a “spiked” appearance.
The lipid membrane surrounds “M1” or “Matrix protein 1”, which acts as a support structure for rigidity. This structure in turn envelops the inner contents of the virion, including 8 single RNA strands.
Within an infected cell, proteins present within the cytoplasm or membrane called Pattern Recognition Receptors or “PRR’s” detect the presence of foreign invasive elements such as the nucleic acids or proteins present within a virion. PRR’s are an example of TLR’s or “Toll-like receptors”.
In the case of Influenza A, proteins present within the cytoplasm of the cell (RIG-I (Retinoic-Acid Inducible Gene-I) and TLR7) are able to detect double or single stranded RNA with 5’ triphosphates.
As this kind of RNA is unusual in an uninfected cell, the RIG-I protein will bind the RNA of the virus and stimulate the production of cytokines and type I IFN’s (Interferon’s) causing an inflammatory response.
The IFN released will bind with receptors on other cells and stimulate the release of more antiviral proteins. Cytokines in the system are usually the indicating factor when a viral infection has taken place, as their circulation can cause lethargy, muscle pain, loss of appetite, fever and nausea.
The type I IFN’s produced are IFN-α and IFN-β, which limit the synthesis of new proteins in virally infected cells, thus slowing replication.
Subtypes of Influenza A are labelled according to the Haemagglutinin (“H” Number) and Neuraminidase (“N” Number) on the protein envelope of the virus i.e. “H1N1”.
The image above depicts an electron micrograph of Influenza A virus, exhibiting visible structure.
The virion has a round shape, consisting on the outside of a lipid membrane containing the aforementioned Haemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins, giving a “spiked” appearance.
The lipid membrane surrounds “M1” or “Matrix protein 1”, which acts as a support structure for rigidity. This structure in turn envelops the inner contents of the virion, including 8 single RNA strands.
Within an infected cell, proteins present within the cytoplasm or membrane called Pattern Recognition Receptors or “PRR’s” detect the presence of foreign invasive elements such as the nucleic acids or proteins present within a virion. PRR’s are an example of TLR’s or “Toll-like receptors”.
In the case of Influenza A, proteins present within the cytoplasm of the cell (RIG-I (Retinoic-Acid Inducible Gene-I) and TLR7) are able to detect double or single stranded RNA with 5’ triphosphates.
As this kind of RNA is unusual in an uninfected cell, the RIG-I protein will bind the RNA of the virus and stimulate the production of cytokines and type I IFN’s (Interferon’s) causing an inflammatory response.
The IFN released will bind with receptors on other cells and stimulate the release of more antiviral proteins. Cytokines in the system are usually the indicating factor when a viral infection has taken place, as their circulation can cause lethargy, muscle pain, loss of appetite, fever and nausea.
The type I IFN’s produced are IFN-α and IFN-β, which limit the synthesis of new proteins in virally infected cells, thus slowing replication.
Number 3 has to stop. Number 3 is infuriating and should be burned alive. It looks terrible and is not a valid means of separating paragraphs. Either that or I haven't been brainwashed growing up to believe it is like 1 and 2 and other people have.
I'm sure there are a million things wrong with my articles, but I am slightly neurotic about the way I format them so I apologise for sounding aloof and dickheady here. I will not use left align, the foot is down.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that I use "2" in articles and for readability would suggest that this be the case universally. I also have a tendency to ramble on but try to keep "paragraphs" within news articles as concise as possible - I think this is something I need to work on. I might try working a bit more opinion in in the future. I did this with the KH 1.5 article because I was pissed off about the lack of X HD info.
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The Twilight Mexican
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I've found that when doing especially long articles, formatting gets screwed all to hell anyway. Sometimes you have to be thankful if WordPress even lets you indicate where a paragraph break should be.
I don't know if that's something Fangu has been able to fix, but whenever I've written an article long enough to require a second page, I have had a nightmare of a time.
I don't know if that's something Fangu has been able to fix, but whenever I've written an article long enough to require a second page, I have had a nightmare of a time.
Lex
Administrator
Can you give me an example of how the format can get screwed? I mean if we're centering all images, tables, videos that aren't worked into the text, justifying or even *shudder* left aligning the text it should look quite neat and uniform as long as paragraphs are separated properly and not too tl;dr. Even a wall of text looks neat as long as it's separated where it should be. It looks even neater if it's justified 
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This is just the way I like mine to look. I think I'm starting to come off a bit preachy so I also want to point out that I think we should be free to write however we like, within reason.
.This is just the way I like mine to look. I think I'm starting to come off a bit preachy so I also want to point out that I think we should be free to write however we like, within reason.
The Twilight Mexican
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Examples that immediately come to mind are paragraphs not breaking, images smooshing into paragraphs, and ending up with "blank pages" in multi-page posts.
I do find you run into fewer difficulties with image and video smooshing if you center everything, as you're suggesting. Even with align-left, there are fewer issues with images and videos centered.
I like align-left, by the way. But not WordPress.
I do find you run into fewer difficulties with image and video smooshing if you center everything, as you're suggesting. Even with align-left, there are fewer issues with images and videos centered.
I like align-left, by the way. But not WordPress.
Lex
Administrator
Like I said, my hatred of Align-left is an unfortunate result of me being weird, which is sad. I wish I liked it, since everyone else does. Sadfeisu.
Do you use the visual editor or HTML? I'm pretty sure all the issues with the visual editor are now resolved, so you shouldn't run into those formatting issues again if that's what you use.
Do you use the visual editor or HTML? I'm pretty sure all the issues with the visual editor are now resolved, so you shouldn't run into those formatting issues again if that's what you use.
The Twilight Mexican
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Most of the problems came along while using the HTML, but that's only because I never tried using the visual editor again after the first time. It was really bad.
If it has been fixed, though, I'll definitely give it another chance when next I post something.
If it has been fixed, though, I'll definitely give it another chance when next I post something.
Lex
Administrator
Fangu and Yop will shout at me for saying this, but I still prefer using the HTML editor. I'm used to it and I find it easier to specify exactly how I want something to look.
I've just gone through my old articles and centred the YouTube videos (I had specified a width of 595 previously as the article width on the old site was 600) and I've realised that it's wiser now to wrap the text to the left or right of an image when writing news articles on the new site instead of having a "header" image. This is nifty, I like having all that new space.
Anyway this is vastly off-topic now. Sorry about that
I've just gone through my old articles and centred the YouTube videos (I had specified a width of 595 previously as the article width on the old site was 600) and I've realised that it's wiser now to wrap the text to the left or right of an image when writing news articles on the new site instead of having a "header" image. This is nifty, I like having all that new space
.Anyway this is vastly off-topic now. Sorry about that
Fangu
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There is no good way to "fix" that, as the editor has to create its own HTML. There is no workaround, really... however I can advice to use <p> instead of <br />, unless when absolutely necessary. If you want to just use HTML, use only HTML, and don't change anything by using the editor, as the editor will create its own HTML.
Beware that the newer versions of WordPress (as we're on now) will overrule a lot of custom HTML tags. I know Lex is going to hate it
and also hate it when I say that it's better for the site. It is. It's bad for authors who love using HTML to style (all developers worldwide shudders by the use of "HTML" and "style" in the same sentence) but in the long run it's good for the site. (It's like when you're mom tells you to not run outside in the cold without a cap, but you don't want to because your hair will look bad. Just listen to mom.)So do use only HTML, but beware of two things: 1) Not everything will work, and 2) the Visual Editors are getting so good now that you shouldn't really have to sit and type <font size= etc. because most features will be there in the new editor. Just give it a shot.
(Another key thing here is that IF you decide to use HTML, please PLEASE test how things look in more than 1 browser. Ideally you should test on IE, Firefox, Safari, Opera, Chrome, pads and a cell phone. Using the visual editor, WP has already checked this for you, so you don't have to worry about a thing.)
Also, regarding 'rules for writing' - beware that there are different sets of rules when writing for web than writing for a document. The general rules are: Use lots of headers, use lists whenever possible (instead of writing "you can do this by either calling us, sending an email or praying to God, do
You can do this by either:
- Calling us
- Sending an email
- Praying to God
etc. This might look silly, but people online don't usually read as much as they scan. Third rule, use many and small paragraphs instead of chunk of text, and again, use headers to separate topics. Edit: I made an example of the current "Write for the Lifestream" page, from this to this, to demonstrate the benefits. You can be your own judge of this ofc if you think it looks better or not.
This might be less important for detailed articles and analysis, but for information or guides or w/e, it can be useful.
Also Flint the new categories on the FP now is looking good
Edit: Sorry for the overly editing :/
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Lex
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@Fangu, I just checked and the basic HTML I used on the old WP seems to be working fine format wise on the new one. Also I won't hate it, I'll get used to using the visual editor if I have to . <3
This probably isn't the place to pose this question but since I'm about to go to bed and it doesn't really seem new-thread worthy:
Regarding the content of news posts:
Are we definitely gearing toward VII-Related news only? I know community projects can be on anything and they don't count within that, but over the past few months I've been very VII-specific in the news posts I create. I know we're aiming to be the most comprehensive FFVII resource, which is great, but it would look better if the front page were updated with news more often if we decide to cover FF in general. Attracts new people etc.
I remember someone mentioning this a while ago and I'm just wondering if there's a general rule with regard to news reports. The closest I've come to posting something non-VII related is Kingdom Hearts 1.5 HD ReMix, but that passes because there are FFVII characters in it.
I know people write articles/ reported on non-VII stuff in the past but I wasn't sure whether that had changed at all. If we decide to cover other FF's i'll probably be writing posts at least 2-3 times per week (happy about this, more activity etc). For about 6 months there, there was new FF news almost daily.
. <3This probably isn't the place to pose this question but since I'm about to go to bed and it doesn't really seem new-thread worthy:
Regarding the content of news posts:
Are we definitely gearing toward VII-Related news only? I know community projects can be on anything and they don't count within that, but over the past few months I've been very VII-specific in the news posts I create. I know we're aiming to be the most comprehensive FFVII resource, which is great, but it would look better if the front page were updated with news more often if we decide to cover FF in general. Attracts new people etc.
I remember someone mentioning this a while ago and I'm just wondering if there's a general rule with regard to news reports. The closest I've come to posting something non-VII related is Kingdom Hearts 1.5 HD ReMix, but that passes because there are FFVII characters in it.
I know people write articles/ reported on non-VII stuff in the past but I wasn't sure whether that had changed at all. If we decide to cover other FF's i'll probably be writing posts at least 2-3 times per week (happy about this, more activity etc). For about 6 months there, there was new FF news almost daily.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
Historically, our news posts have been at least tangentially related to FF7. Be it something with FF7 characters in it or something Square is doing as a business. There were exceptions though, we've made news announcements about FFXIII's release and such.
The idea behind being FF7 focused is for specialization - there are already a ton of general FF sites. But as I said in another thread, the fact remains that our activity has had an uptick when posting news about Dissidia, FF13, etc. So I wouldn't be opposed, it's our content that's unique.
Alternatively, general FF news could just be part of this TLS Roundup thing.
The idea behind being FF7 focused is for specialization - there are already a ton of general FF sites. But as I said in another thread, the fact remains that our activity has had an uptick when posting news about Dissidia, FF13, etc. So I wouldn't be opposed, it's our content that's unique.
Alternatively, general FF news could just be part of this TLS Roundup thing.
Lex
Administrator
I suppose I just have the urge to write more frequently. I know we're a VII hub but if it brings more people to the site, can it hurt? Then again, we might be alienating people who look at the front page for exclusive VII news.
If the Roundup proves successful, I definitely think it should include general FF news.
The purist in me wants to keep all the news VII-related. The FF fan wants to report on every new announcement. I'm completely torn on my own opinion. I mean the content, layout and theme is always going to be VII-focused - do the news and articles have to follow suit?
If the Roundup proves successful, I definitely think it should include general FF news.
The purist in me wants to keep all the news VII-related. The FF fan wants to report on every new announcement. I'm completely torn on my own opinion. I mean the content, layout and theme is always going to be VII-focused - do the news and articles have to follow suit?
The Twilight Mexican
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I thought it was agreed long ago that while the design of the site would always remain VII/Lifestream-themed, and while the content for VII and the Compilation would be pushed to the forefront, news and content of interest to the community were fair game?
Thus, the coverage of Dissidia, the Ultimania translations for it, VIII and IX (and the SaGa Frontier 2 Perfect Works eventually), the FFXIII Episode i audiobook, etc.
Just throwing my opinion on the pile, but I think the round-up would be the perfect place for news "of interest to the community" that isn't strictly VII-related.
That said, if Versus XIII gets a release date announced, I will race all you motherfuckers to the front page.
Thus, the coverage of Dissidia, the Ultimania translations for it, VIII and IX (and the SaGa Frontier 2 Perfect Works eventually), the FFXIII Episode i audiobook, etc.
Just throwing my opinion on the pile, but I think the round-up would be the perfect place for news "of interest to the community" that isn't strictly VII-related.
That said, if Versus XIII gets a release date announced, I will race all you motherfuckers to the front page.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
So Tres' next frontpage post will be on April 1st, then.
Cthulhu
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I know that, in the past, I was actually somewhat involved with / cared about content stuff, wrote Wordpress manuals, hints on SEO, when to use links, to categorize and properly tag images, that kinda stuff; should still be out there somewhere. At the moment I cba with that stuff anymore, and/or, to sound a bit more like a motivating leader person, I trust you guys with that stuff completely,
On article style and typography - first, seriously guys, we've been going on about this project for months now and now you bring it up?.
Linebreaks after sentences end without starting a new paragraph are evil and those should be edited. Simple.
Justification - iirc, that is the act of making text space evenly across a column so the column start and end all line up straight, which may cause word spacing become wider in some sentences - is a style thing, which can be done with CSS if the articles themselves are done up properly. Actually, I took fangu's rewrite of the 'write for' page and haxed it in my browser so the text is justified - I think it looks kinda neat tbh, although off course too long (>20 lines?) paragraphs should be avoided to prevent walls of text.
The problems with editing WP articles, I know, it's annoying - back when I wrote a few articles I can't remember, I frequently had to switch to the HTML source view of the editor to fixx the WYSIWYG editor's fuckups / misinterpretations. For image alignment and such though, I'd still recommend the editor, it adds important metadata to images such as alt-texts, titles, and CSS classes, which are particularly important if we ever change styles again.
On what kind of articles we should write / the topic of the site, that should probably be split up into another topic, and I'm pretty sure that was discussed some time ago too.
On article style and typography - first, seriously guys, we've been going on about this project for months now and now you bring it up?
.Linebreaks after sentences end without starting a new paragraph are evil and those should be edited. Simple.
Justification - iirc, that is the act of making text space evenly across a column so the column start and end all line up straight, which may cause word spacing become wider in some sentences - is a style thing, which can be done with CSS if the articles themselves are done up properly. Actually, I took fangu's rewrite of the 'write for' page and haxed it in my browser so the text is justified - I think it looks kinda neat tbh, although off course too long (>20 lines?) paragraphs should be avoided to prevent walls of text.
The problems with editing WP articles, I know, it's annoying - back when I wrote a few articles I can't remember, I frequently had to switch to the HTML source view of the editor to fixx the WYSIWYG editor's fuckups / misinterpretations. For image alignment and such though, I'd still recommend the editor, it adds important metadata to images such as alt-texts, titles, and CSS classes, which are particularly important if we ever change styles again.
On what kind of articles we should write / the topic of the site, that should probably be split up into another topic, and I'm pretty sure that was discussed some time ago too.
The Twilight Mexican
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I actually may have one of my infamous Super Star Destroyer-sized articles coming up in the near future. I'll try the visual editor with it and provide some feedback.
