George Lucas - World's biggest troll?

[Masamune]

I'm sure some of you already know about new Star Wars Blu-ray editions. Well, rest assured that George Lucas is back and ready to rape your childhood all over again:

Oh, and not to worry, 'Jedi Rocks' and Greedo shooting first remain intact.

 

[Russell]

The more I see the more I think George Lucas first star wars trilogy was a fluke.

There is clearly a creative spark in GL's head, but I think his best work was before he was absolute boss and people weren't afraid to no to him, or tell he was wrong.

 

[Tetsujin]

There needed to be more people like Harrison Ford who'd walk up to him and say "you can write that shit George, but you can't say that".

 

[Interslicery]

Know what irritates me most? Empire and Jedi aren't his movies. He directed the first, so if he wants to go apeshit on that one, its within his rights to. But come on, have a lil respect for the peoples work even if you dont have any respect for your fans.
I mean, he's trying to bury the original trilogy as they originally were. Release those as their own set. Normal people will be happy and can ignore the rest, star wars freaks will have 20 diff versions of each film, george gets to do whatever the fuck he wants. Everyone wins.

P.S. Didnt they also replace the puppet Yoda with a cg one?

 

[Octo]

Actually I think my dad is the worlds biggest troll, but fortunately for humanity he is computer illiterate

Anyway, George Lucas needs to come up with a new project and stop fucking around with Star Wars. Or just retire with his millions of dollars...he could have a whole harem of women dressed as gold bikini Leia!

Also, I'm thankful for the internet because otherwise the originals of eps IV -VII would become hard to get hold of. :/

 

[Shademp]

Also, I'm thankful for the internet because otherwise the originals of eps IV -VII would become hard to get hold of. :/

Yeah, I remember Episode VII. It was sad when Chewbacca died.

 

[Interslicery]

And it was just before Life Day too. The cruel irony

 

[Octo]

*hangs head in shame*

Ok, I confess, I got ideas above my station and thought I could do roman numerals. Also typing 'VII' is kind of a force of habit for me here. Wahhhhhhh!

*cries and shits pants*

 

[Tetsujin]

P.S. Didnt they also replace the puppet Yoda with a cg one?

In Episode 1, yes.

Although I wouldn't say Empire and Jedi aren't his movies. I'd say he was still more deeply involved than the actual guys who directed the actors on set.

 

[Super Mario]

Why did Darth Vader say noooooo in this shit too? are they making it his catch phrase now? Boostrap Bill coined the phrase in the second pirates anyway, we dont need another one to follow in his footsteps.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

First clip, ridiculous. Second clip, I don't hear much difference, at least not enough to evoke rage. (EDIT - ooooh, the "no" was in there originally.....meh)

But then I never saw Star Wars until earlier this year and I didn't think it was that awesome, so go ahead Lucas, rape away.

 

[Masamune]

First clip, ridiculous. Second clip, I don't hear much difference, at least not enough to evoke rage. (EDIT - ooooh, the "no" was in there originally.....meh)

I'll let Youtube speak the truth (probably the only time I'll say that):

The brilliance about the original scene was that Lucas didn't have to TELL you that Vader was in agony. He let John Williams tell you, with his music building to a panicked crescendo. He let David Prowse show you what Vader was feeling by abandoning his stoic composed rigid posture in favor of rapidly looking back and forth from the Emperor to Luke over and over again.

When the panicked music switched to Luke's theme and he quietly walked the Emperor to the pit, words were not necessary.

But then I never saw Star Wars until earlier this year and I didn't think it was that awesome, so go ahead Lucas, rape away.

GTFO then.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Make me :p

I'm aware through that my opinions are in the minority, I thought Ep 4 was the worst of the six, by which I mean yes I thought Ep 1 > Ep 4. The rest of the series, pretty good, but not great. I'll gladly list my problems with Ep 4 too, BTW

Also, I have never, nor will I ever, use the phrase "raped my childhood" seriously. People need to get over stuff. There's some stuff to be pissed at, like Greedo shooting first and Obi-wan now sounding like a sink full of water being drained, but this "noooooo" stuff, meh.

 

[Octo]

The brilliance about the original scene was that Lucas didn't have to TELL you that Vader was in agony. He let John Williams tell you, with his music building to a panicked crescendo. He let David Prowse show you what Vader was feeling by abandoning his stoic composed rigid posture in favor of rapidly looking back and forth from the Emperor to Luke over and over again.

When the panicked music switched to Luke's theme and he quietly walked the Emperor to the pit, words were not necessary.

I refuse to believe this is a genuine youtube quote, there are no mentions of 'lazy mexicans', 'Hitler', 'zionist Jew propoganda' or how '9/11 was an inside job'.

 

[Masamune]

Make me :p

I'm aware through that my opinions are in the minority, I thought Ep 4 was the worst of the six, by which I mean yes I thought Ep 1 > Ep 4. The rest of the series, pretty good, but not great. I'll gladly list my problems with Ep 4 too, BTW

No one's stopping you.

I actually think ROTJ was the weakest of the original trilogy, but it still beats everything Lucas shat out in the prequels.

Also, I have never, nor will I ever, use the phrase "raped my childhood" seriously. People need to get over stuff. There's some stuff to be pissed at, like Greedo shooting first and Obi-wan now sounding like a sink full of water being drained, but this "noooooo" stuff, meh.

Explain the difference?

It's another case of ham-fisted editing which has botched yet another iconic scene because Lucas can't leave the fuck alone, not to mention riffing on his own ridiculous...

 

[DrakeClawfang]

No one's stopping you.

* The robots were intensely annoying, and it doesn't help the first half hour of the film centers on them.
* As awesome as he looks they didn't get Vader much to do so he didn't live up to his reputation (in *this* film I emphasize, much better in the next two)
* A lot of scenes dragged on and were quite boring. With some sharper editing I could probably trim a half hour or more from the film and not cut out anything important.
* By the same token much of the dialogue fell flat (I realize this is just the times though)
* Luke was not an interesting character at all. Han, Obi-wan, Leia, all interested me. Luke never gave me anything other than a generic hero vibe.

The two biggest flaws I have with the film that I will not let go of:

* The Empire won. Luke, Leia and Han were stuck in the garbage compactor and the stormtroopers found the robots. They *won*. It was only by their sheer stupidity that the heroes survived, and that's terrible writing, when the villains have beaten the heroes and the author has to make them do something supremely stupid to save the day.
* The climax was completely devoid of any suspense or tension. I don't mean in the usual sense that you know the heroes will always win that's in all films. Luke's line "I did stuff like this back at home" completely ruined the entire climax because right there you might as well have put "LUKE SAVES THE DAY" on the screen, it was so unsubtle it was almost painful. Because of that the final battle bored me because I was watching the other rebels getting picked off just waiting for Luke to fly in.

For the sake of the film, I won't get into the ridiculous inconsistencies in the threat level of the storm troopers :p.

It's another case of ham-fisted editing which has botched yet another iconic scene because Lucas can't leave the fuck alone, not to mention riffing on his own ridiculous...

I don't see how. Agreed its iconic and unneeded but it doesn't ruin the scene for me. The delivery of the first "no" is pretty good. The second, wailing "noooooo!" was pointless. Just Vader muttering "no" like he does at first would be fine.

 

[Tetsujin]

A lot of scenes dragged on and were quite boring. With some sharper editing I could probably trim a half hour or more from the film and not cut out anything important.

It's funny, because back then the pacing was seen as quite fast.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

It's what, a two and a half, three hour movie? Even by today's standards that shit is long.

 

[Tetsujin]

According to the dvd case, it's exactly 120 minutes.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Ah. Well I saw it on TV so it was stretched out for me :p

Still, I stand by the point that a lot of scenes didn't add much and could be shortened or cut for time.

One scene in particular I would rework, and hear me out before you tackle me, is Obi-wan training Luke on the ship. I would still have him explaining the Force to Luke, you have to establish what it is of course since it is so important to the film's universe. But watching Luke train with the Lightsaber was pointless because IIRC he doesn't use it in the film. If he does correct me and I apologize, but since Ep 4 doesn't have him use the lightsaber, spending a five minute scene or so watching him train with it serves little purpose.

It would also add more tension to the climax because Luke has never used the Force before and now he has to channel it to make the final shot, and would make his development into a Jedi over the next two films stronger because he's had no initial training from Obi-wan when he met Yoda. Would also work as a small bit of foreshadowing if Luke asked Obi-wan to train him in the Force and Obi-wan refused, his reluctance to train Luke hinting at, say, a former apprentice who's training didn't turn out like he hoped?

EDIT - Also, "Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them. Let your instincts guide you". I get where he's going with that, but out of context that line is so lulzy.

 

[Interslicery]

The whole light saber training scene was also a "learn how feel the force" scene. The light saber was there just cause why not? he could use some training with that too.

But the first movie is my least fav out of the original trilogy.

 

[Xinda]

I can't understand who would tell him that those changes - regarding the YouTube clips/BluRay - were a good idea. How disappointing. Time to cling further to the unedited versions. I'm sure I have a VHS copy somewhere. Hopefully it is the "original."

 

[Hisako]

I will mention though that the CGI Yoda they've added in to replace the old puppet Yoda for The Phantom Menace looks 9001x better.

Looking back to it, TPM Yoda was a pretty poor job.

 

[Masamune]

* The robots were intensely annoying, and it doesn't help the first half hour of the film centers on them.

You're only saying that 'cos they're gay.

* As awesome as he looks they didn't get Vader much to do so he didn't live up to his reputation (in *this* film I emphasize, much better in the next two)

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

* A lot of scenes dragged on and were quite boring. With some sharper editing I could probably trim a half hour or more from the film and not cut out anything important.

What scenes?

Luke was not an interesting character at all. Han, Obi-wan, Leia, all interested me. Luke never gave me anything other than a generic hero vibe.

That's because, for the most part, Luke is a generic hero. He's the classic 'fish out of water' character used to establish a connection with the audience. It was after the fans were hooked that they could further develop his character in the rest of the trilogy.

I don't see how. Agreed its iconic and unneeded but it doesn't ruin the scene for me. The delivery of the first "no" is pretty good. The second, wailing "noooooo!" was pointless. Just Vader muttering "no" like he does at first would be fine.

We've already explained how. The scene didn't NEED some clichéd 'Nooo...' to make it powerful. It was perfect as it was. And like I said, using a line that's already become a running joke for the prequels was either Lucas dropping another bollock or being the world's biggest troll. Perhaps both.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

What scenes?

Well it's been a while, but off the top of my head, let's see...

The robots wandering the desert could be cut. They wander around, get captured by the sand guys and sold to Luke's parents. Just have Luke out exploring and he finds them, saves a few minutes and we don't have to put up with the robots as much.

I remember like, two or three scenes of Obi-wan and Luke in the spaceport looking for Han's ship showing they were being followed. I get it, you don't need to show us this over and over.

The training scene as described above.

Honestly, that's all I can recall at the moment. Sorry, it was a few months ago, if it's on some time say, later this week, I'll elaborate

Though thinking back I remember one piece of dialogue that was particularly dumb. When they enter the bar and the bartender is like "we don't like their kind in here" and kicks the robots out. That is just so lame and...pointless. I thought "oh, the robots gotta get captured while they're inside?" and I don't remember that happening so nope, just a really dumb line.

Also, two more scene complaints.

Obi-wan's death scene......why? You wanna kill Obi-wan off as he fights Vader, okay, but he just sorta closed his eyes and let Vader kill him. Why? Was he taking a moment to channel his energy so he could come back as the Force ghost thing? I don't recall them explaining such if that's the reason. Would have been more interesting if Luke called out to him and while he was distracted Vader did him in. I just never got why Obi-wan just stopped fighting and let Vader kill him. Also the fight itself was boring, but I'll let it go because I've read how fragile the lightsaber props were in the first film, so not much they can do about that to be fair.

And where Obi-wan stops the generator and slips past the stormtroopers. Once again the empire is incredibly stupid and the heroes only make progress because of this fact. Dudes, just fucking turn around! Just, turn your heads two inches to the left and look over your damn shoulder! Oh nevermind, even if you did catch Obi-wan he'd just have to point and go "look over there!" to escape.

That's because, for the most part, Luke is a generic hero. He's the classic 'fish out of water' character used to establish a connection with the audience. It was after the fans were hooked that they could further develop his character in the rest of the trilogy.

Fair enough, but I didn't connect with him. He seemed eternally clueless on what's going on around him and is just swept up for the ride.

I'll note that a certain four-letter name beginning with "V" popped into my head reading that over, but that would be mean, Luke may not be interesting but he's far too cool for that comparison.