Gun Shot Romance Gone?

CameoAmalthea

Pro Adventurer
So for those of you who don't know, Gun Shot Romance contained the script for Before Crisis, Character Bios and other information. Basically the go to site for information about Before Crisis.

It's apparently gone. When I tried to access the website I got a message saying it was frozen and only the owner could contact the server to ask about where it went...

I'm not sure if this was copy right issue or what happened, but we needed this resource and I'm not sure what to do now...Does anyone know the creator or have any information about what happened?
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
Ugh, shit. I just went there like a week ago.

I'll try to get in touch with Dark Angel. I've had contact with her in the past.
 

Cthulhu

Administrator
AKA
Yop
Freewebs? Yeah, probably someone complained and had it taken down about some breach of something something. If it was a standalone website I'd guess it was just unpaid for / expired.
 

Octo

KULT OF KERMITU
AKA
Octo, Octorawk, Clarky Cat, Kissmammal2000
Damn, hopefully she still has copies of all the scripts she did. If it she cant get GSR up again, could we have them on here? (giving her credit ofc)
 
I have quite a lot of the material, but not all of it. I'm up to my ears in marking but I'll take a look later to see what I've got.

One of the youtubers who posted the complete gameplay of BC (I think HCloudXIII) used her script.

I'm not entirely surprised by this news; she never finished posting the script, and I got the feeling (perhaps wrongly) that her interest in the project fizzled out several years ago.
 

Octo

KULT OF KERMITU
AKA
Octo, Octorawk, Clarky Cat, Kissmammal2000
Well assuming we wont get our asses sued by SE we should probably get that stuff on here? Come to think of it, we don't have the original game script either do we? I know its available elsewhere, but it seems like a gap y'know?
 
Well assuming we wont get our asses sued by SE we should probably get that stuff on here?
We haven't been sued so far. We have the scripts for Advent Children, Advent Children Complete and the Episode Denzel OVA (all thanks to Morello).

Come to think of it, we don't have the original game script either do we? I know its available elsewhere, but it seems like a gap y'know?
An external link to the script might at least be in order here. I didn't really think of that before.

As for posting the script ourselves that would be quite an undertaking. Ripping the game script is the easy part. Organizing the text and adding explanations here and there would take months.
 

CameoAmalthea

Pro Adventurer
Well assuming we wont get our asses sued by SE we should probably get that stuff on here?

Disclaimer: I'm not licensed to practice law, this isn't legal advise and does not create a lawyer/client relationship

They most likely won't sue (expensive/time consuming), if they responded it would be with a Cease and Desist Letter or filing a DMCA complaint, which would give us a chance to respond. While Cease and Desist Letters are meant to function as "stop or else' they can be seen as an opening for negotiation. I know one scanlation group got C and Ded and responded with a letter asking to work out an agreement. They wound up paying the company a bit in order to continue their project and were allowed to continue. Also, since we're in the U.S. we can use the Fair Use defense.

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair.

The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
The nature of the copyrighted work
The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

Here we will argue that this website is primarily for FFVII scholarship, containing articles which analyze the story and discuss it. In order to facility the discussions we need access to scripts. We would buy commercially available scripts and pay to have them here if they were available in English, but they are not.

The purpose and character of the use is non commercial in nature, and in order to enhance scholarly discussion.

The nature of the copyrighted work is a video game. We are not posting the game to play, but information about the game and scripts. While SE may have a market for copies of the script and information about the game, none are available in English. The only to access the information is through fan translation. So while SE does have a copyright to the script, we are not competing with them by posting it. Although that may not matter/still it's not as if we're pirating the game.

The amount/portion used is only the script, not the visuals or any of the game play experience. We need the whole script in order to analyze it detail. In order to be able to reference specific portions of the game. While people play games for the story, the difference between a game and a book is that the experience of playing a game can only be had by playing it. We're not offering the game to play, but only taking what we need in order to facilitate scholarly analysis.

The effect on the market: Again, people buy games to play the game. No one is going to choose to read the script instead of playing the game. Because the game isn't available in the English speaking market and is largely unheard of in this market, having fan translations of scripts and information about the game available in fact promotes the Before Crisis and helps it's market. Those who have come to know about the game because of the scripts and analysis of the game posted are likely to purchase related merchandize and the game itself should it become available in English. Those interested individuals, because they have become fans of the work, will further promote the title to others, increasing SE's sales.

Fair Use is decided by weighing these factors (and others) together, I think purpose and character is in our favor because we're not commercial and that effect of the market is in our favor. On the other hand, the script is copyrighted and SE might have an interest in the right to sell the script. If this did go to Court, it would be interesting to see the outcome and there are groups which might take the case pro-bono out of an interest in expanding the right to post such information. Alternatively, if we had trouble we might be able to just negotiate a license.

Then again, there are tons of video game scripts online so there's a chance SE might not do anything. It's possible a third party complained about Gun Shot Romance for no reason, we don't know, we can't respond. But if we can get the translations/content and post it here, it would nice.

Because really, the only way to know anything about the game and to properly analyze it and discuss it (and the characters who appear in it) is to have the scripts.
 

S and G

FFVII books and stuff
AKA
MJ Gallagher
Well, she had everything but those final couple of scenes, as I recall, and someone translated those anyway.

That was me.

I'm sure I have backups hidden away somewhere too.

EDIT: experience tells me that Dark Angel's page being removed is due to the cessation of contracted payments for its online upkeep. Her last update was 4 or 5 years ago. I'm actually shocked it lasted this long.
 
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CameoAmalthea

Pro Adventurer
So if we find her and give her money to pay to put it back up, or get her permission to get it up long enough to take information and repost it here, we can have the info?
 

S and G

FFVII books and stuff
AKA
MJ Gallagher
I would imagine so. When I last spoke to her many years ago, she was fine with reposts as long as there was the appropriate credit and an external link to her page.
 

CameoAmalthea

Pro Adventurer
So any luck finding her?

Are there ways to track someone down online? I don't want to harass or stalk her, of course, but if she's no longer using those emails is there a way to get in touch?
 

CameoAmalthea

Pro Adventurer
It's infringement, there's no Fair Use defense under Japanese Law, and Japanese Law grants authors broad rights in controlling Intellectual Property under a theory that copy right holders have the moral right to control their IP. However, IP is only enforced when copy right holders choose to enforce it. Dojinshi's exist because the right holders don't stop the fan authors/fan artists from making them (possibly because these work serve as free promotion for the IP holders and don't hurt sales).

However, a lot of online stuff goes under U.S. Law because websites are hosted in the U.S. So take down of content usually happens under the DMCA.
 
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