HELP ME OUT HERE: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

[Cat Rage Room]

I'm currently in an 'edit war' with some guy in the FF Wiki because he thinks that the suits sent to Banora after Genesis were Turks.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Turks

Can someone prove this guy wrong? Were they Turks? I don't think they were!

EDIT: This is kinda turning into an edit war. Can somebody shut this guy down with some facts?

 

[Sprites]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Actually the guy is right, they were turks.

Lazard mentions sending people to investigate Banora and the image of two turks come up. As well as sending Zack to investigate and get more information on Genesis he also asks Zack to investigate the disappearance which is one of the reasons Tseng is sent too.

When the graves are investigated Tseng mentiones that as well as Genesis' parents the graves also contained the remains of "Our people" AKA Turks so the Wiki article is correct.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Sounds like bullshit to me.

1. Nothing outright states they were Turks.
2. Turks aren't the only people in Shinra to wear suits.
3. Our people could mean "Our people as in we both work for Shinra."

 

[Sprites]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

1. Tseng going with Zack, is evidence enough. The fact that it is two people in the same black suits when lazard mentions to people going missing is also evidence.

2. Name another group of people in Shinra who wear the exact same type of suit as the Turks

3. Yeah it could mean that but its easy to take it that its about the Turks if it weren't Tseng would probably have mentioned it being Soldier operatives etc. Lazard doesn't mention any other people dispatched and also its usually the Turks speciality to investigate and gather information on a target which is what they were doing about Genesis.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Sounds like baseless evidence and grasping for straws. We don't even see the two dead agents clearly enough; we just see that they have dark suits, worn by many in Shinra. Nothing outright states they are Turks. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[Sprites]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Sounds to me like you're also grasping at straws.

There's no evidence to say its not the Turks either and come on everyone who plays FFVII or any of its complilation recognises Turks by their Suits theres no other group within Shinra but them who wears them. Theres no other group in Shinra required to wear uniform that wear suits like that either.

You didn't answer my question either. Name another group in Shinra who wears suits like the Turks, because I've never seen anyone else who does.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Many employees in Shinra wear dark suits. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

We'll agree to disagree for now until more posters chime in.

 

[Sprites]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Many employees isn't a proper answer, give me a specific.

I was going to suggest that as well unless another poster comes in, there's no point in completely arguing this.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Many employees. How specific can you get? Many of FF7 titles I've played have many anonymous Shinra employees walking around in black suits. The Shinra building in FF7 is full of them.

 

[Sprites]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Yeah and they never seem to be dispatched anywhere they just hang about the Shinra building or take on the role of office employees. Everyone who plays ff7 knows that the employees who get dispatched on missions are the Turks, SOLDIER operatives and Shinra infantries.

Now my question is more directed as name another kind of Shinra employee you know who wear suits like the Turks that are dispatched on field missions, aside from the ones I've mentioned.

 

[cold_spirit]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

because it makes sense that the turks would be sent to investigate!

think about it, what other department in Shin-ra sends people wearing black suits to search the village of 2 missing 1st class SOLDIER's ? i mean, its not like Shinra would ship two random ass employees to look around...

EDIT: oops, i guess my argument has already been used. nevermind then...

 

[VivaLaValenwind]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

I actually don't remember having them say anything about having turks investigate prior to tseng and zack getting there. Maybe they were just infantry men or normal soldier people because weren't they originally sent there because Genesis was supposably there?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

There is no information that says they were turks dude.

That has no evidence going for it. Just because they're people in suits doesn't mean they are turks. The CC Ultimania states that Shinra already had people in Banora keeping it under surveillance. And they weren't turks. They were just Shinra employees in charge of keeping it under watch. They don't mention turks anywhere.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

If any of you guys have an account at the Wiki (which you should), please help me out in this battle.

 

[Sprites]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Oh, ok then I'm willing to put my hands up here and admit I was wrong and apologise. In my defence I haven't read the ultimania guide and was going purely on from what I've played in CC which made me come to my own opinion and conclusion that it was Turks.

I can imagine there would be other gamers who could come to the same conclusion but as I said before I guess I was wrong and I'm sorry for going into such a long winded arguement about it

 

[pESCAbAdA]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Now I'm not saying that the employees were neccessarily Turks and I understand that there's no real evidence to suggest that they were but here's something interesting to think about. I'm not sure where I heard this theory, I believe from S and G, but the Banora mission takes place shortly before the start of Before Crisis so perhaps the death of a few Turks is the reason why more needed to be hired, tying BC and CC together even further.

Like I said, just something to think about...

 

[Makoeyes987]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

The Banora mission does take place before BC, however a lot of other major events take place that would warrant the necessity of more Turks, such as AVALANCHE intensifying its anti-Shinra activities, and The Legendary Turk becoming an asshole and being put under house arrest.

Plus, the new BC turks join at different times so its hard to pin their recruitment on any one cause.

 

[pESCAbAdA]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Well of course it's not the sole cause, but it could be considered as one of the causes, that is if they were Turks in the first place.

Good point though Mako.

 

[Suzaku]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

The first four playable Turks are all new recruits, probably recruited due to Legendary being out of commission and Shuriken + Katana being dispatched on long term missions, though I don't think an official reason was ever given. Nunchaku and Knife probably fall in with the first four since they were playable right from the start.

The two Martial Artists were both recruited because of the increase in Avalanche activity, and as already mentioned, Shuriken and Katana return after their missions are complete, while the player is in a coma after being caught in the explosion at Corel.

It's certainly possible, but there's no real evidence that any Turks were lost at Banora. The thing is, if they really had lost some Turks, I'm sure they would've stated it clearly (at least in one of the guides) rather than leaving it up to the player to infer.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Re: Where the suits in Banora Turks?

Can anyone click the link I provided and help me out?

 

[Makoeyes987]

I would, but I'm not really in the mood to get into edit wars with elitists.

EDIT: Fuck you, you got me involved, you bastard. I put in some input but I doubt it'll be listened to, to be honest.

 

[Halo]

Now they never do actually say weather they where Turks or not, but it makes the most sense. In Shinra (so far as we know) there are only 3 action oriented departments. The Shinra Army, SOLDIER and the Turks. The Turks are the only ones of these 3 groups who specialize is gathering info. So obviously they would send Turks to see what is going on in Banora. Why would they send anyone else. Other than these three groups everyone else in the company is either an engineer or an office worker of some kind.

I don't know, it just seems kind of unlikly that they would send a couple of accountants to do the job of spies.