Hopes for Remake & Rebirth (story/content)

[Jairus]

Hehe. Well, that question concerns suicide, so it may be better for someone like Celes from FF6. “Whether ‘tis nobler (in the mind) to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune... or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them.”

Maybe Vincent too, he’s definitely a Hamlet kinda guy. “How weary, stale, flat, and unprofitable seem to me all the uses of this world! ... Frailty thy name is woman!”

Oh, ok. It's been a long time since I've read it. I thought it was from when he was trying to decide whether to try to pretend he was crazy in order to find out what was going on with his mother and uncle or to just be himself. My bad, sorry about that.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

That's the perfect Vincent Shakespeare quote, Ite.

 

[Ite]

@Jairus don’t apologize! I’m the one being a pedant

 

[FFShinra]

Not entirely sure which thread is the best place to point this out, but here goes:

So there had been a small thing bothering me lately about the Shinra Building in recent rewatches of the E3 trailer. Specifically that the logo plates on the building looked old school (as compared to the logos you see inside the building, this one had the company's full name written).

Now why would this bother me? Because the name in question was Shin-Ra Electric Power Company. The "Shin-Ra" spelling was out of use even in the original game. I thought, well that's a strange bit of the old game to keep unchanged.

But they did, indeed, seem to change it, and I only realized upon looking at the Sephy/Shinra poster:

No big deal, I just wanted to point out a nice touch by SE.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

The rest of the wording on that logo looks bizarre.

EDIT: Nevermind, I checked other copies of the image and the letters are clearer.

 

[Enthralll]

The idea of Midgar being (semi-)leisurelyexplorable early on sounds intriguing. I hope a lot of it is done by Cloud alone. He's trying to pass as a cool lone wolf so it would stand to reason he'd search around on his own early on.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

It would be cool if he bumped into the 'lost' Turks trying to integrate themselves in society during the course of his explorations round Midgar.

 

[Pizzachu]

I finished watching Vyzzuvazzadth's latest video, and I'm hoping that 7th Heaven still maintains its Texas theme. I liked that Tifa was a fan of Texas. lol

 

[Jairus]

It's funny how she's a fan of a place that doesn't even exist in her world. But maybe for them, Texas is as made up and fictional as Midgar is for us.

 

[Ite]

That would be a laugh!

“Oh man have you been to Seventh Heaven?”
“Not yet, it’s that theme bar based on that fantasy movie, right? Where they live in a world where there’s no materia?”
“You haven’t seen Final Mundanity yet?? Why not? You still making your way through Stamp season 2?”
“Feck off, you!”
“It’s so gritty, they have like a million gods but no actual magic.”

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

She's been a fan of "Texas" ever since childhood, which is why she likes her "cowgirl" cosplay. Tifa is a total nerd and writes "Texas" fanfiction.

 

[Pizzachu]

That reminds me of this old joke:

Spoiler: Rawhide Kobayashi

 

[Ite]

Best of luck, anti-Otaku!

 

[Random Nobody]

I finished watching Vyzzuvazzadth's latest video, and I'm hoping that 7th Heaven still maintains its Texas theme. I liked that Tifa was a fan of Texas. lol

well. she and cloud are from the countryside and likely grew up knowing bill hilly and the boys dem personally. they are probably out there speaking with a twang and shucking corn and other yeehaw activities in their free time.

 

[Pizzachu]

Cloud did say he is a country boy.

 

[Roundhouse]

I like that idea of Vincent as a Hamlet kind of guy. Sephiroth is probably into Richard III, with all the evil plotting. Aeris....A Midsummer Night's Dream? Mischievous, magical, and not too grim. Tifa, maybe Romeo and Juliet...

 

[Don Corneo's Dungeon]

What I'm looking forward to beyond anything is how they really capture the storyline and the emotion in the games. It was easier in the OG as you couldn't see facial expressions, no voice acting etc. I really hope they get every last drop of the storyline and more into it. I want to be obsessed like the first time (and every time) I played it.

 

[Roundhouse]

Yep, FFVII to me is all about the emotion. I find it interesting how many gaming communities these days like to call the game 'overrated', mainly because I can't really understand that perspective. I've been playing games for a while -- not as long as some, but basically since the PSX days -- and FFVII may not have aged well in regard to the character models, but the actual emotional experience is something that I would rank up there with the best that the medium has to offer, even now. There are moments of clever writing and direction that could teach modern games a lot.

The remake has a lot to live up to, and a lot of challenges, especially now that it has to deal with voice acting and HD visuals. I predicted that it would be doomed, to be honest, but so far I'm actually quite surprised and interested with what we've been shown. It's exciting to see fleshed out conversations and events, along with new takes on old scenes. I'm not sold on the voice acting yet, but aside from that it has been a pleasant surprise.

 

[LNK]

Yep, FFVII to me is all about the emotion. I find it interesting how many gaming communities these days like to call the game 'overrated', mainly because I can't really understand that perspective. I've been playing games for a while -- not as long as some, but basically since the PSX days -- and FFVII may not have aged well in regard to the character models, but the actual emotional experience is something that I would rank up there with the best that the medium has to offer, even now. There are moments of clever writing and direction that could teach modern games a lot.

The remake has a lot to live up to, and a lot of challenges, especially now that it has to deal with voice acting and HD visuals. I predicted that it would be doomed, to be honest, but so far I'm actually quite surprised and interested with what we've been shown. It's exciting to see fleshed out conversations and events, along with new takes on old scenes. I'm not sold on the voice acting yet, but aside from that it has been a pleasant surprise.

I prefer 9 over 7, so I can see why people would say 7 is overrated

 

[Ite]

9 is flawless, it’s just not fair to compare it to the others. I’ve played through 7, 8, and 9 with multiple people, and 9 is the only one that never makes me embarrassed.

 

[LNK]

9 is flawless, it’s just not fair to compare it to the others. I’ve played through 7, 8, and 9 with multiple people, and 9 is the only one that never makes me embarrassed.

I agree about 9. I might be biased since that was the first one I ever played though. I loved the soundtrack, especially disc 4.

 

[Roundhouse]

9 is a good game. But I'm not sure that preferring 9 automatically makes 7 'overrated'. I feel like the people calling it overrated are a bit behind the times, in a way -- they may not have realised that 7 isn't even the most popular FF within the series, at least, not in regard to the West. That would be FF6, which is often cited as one of the best role-playing games ever. Chrono Trigger is also often cited as being better than FF7.

It's actually interesting when you look at modern lists where people try to rank RPGs. I know, I know, these lists are subjective and so on, but they also offer the perspectives of gamers and gaming media.

IGN, for example, has a list of top 100 RPGs. Guess where they rank FF7? They have it at number 52 on the list, behind FF9, FFXII, FFIV, FFTactics and FFVI. (They rank FFVI at number 2 on their list.)

USGamer made a list of the top 25 RPGs, all time. FFV and FFVI are on the list. FFVII is not actually included.

Polygon made a list that just ranked FF games only....even on that list, they ranked VII in the 8th position.

If you look at other lists around, you'll most likely see a similar pattern. You'll also get the same sort of thing if you read discussions on gaming communities, where the most popular FF games tend to be VI and IX...so the 'overrated' label really does puzzle me.

 

[Ite]

Agreed. I'm playing through VII right now with a friend. He played through it back in '98 and insisted for 20 years that it was overrated, I guess compared to his love of VI. But upon getting his PS Classic he wanted to give it another shot -- he changed his position within a few hours of booting up a new game.

"Overrated" is an inherently reactionary label, it means "I don't like that thing as much as other people seem to." And it's a totally valid opinion to have, if you truly didn't like something and aren't just being contrary. I can understand it can be frustrating when a title you prefer doesn't get as much love as a title you do, but most folks use "overrated" in regards to VII in order to point to their preferred FF instead, which is just, like, why? Can't they both be great? Great pizza is better than good pizza but that doesn't mean good pizza is bad.

A few translation issues notwithstanding, the original script of FFVII is up there with my favorite written works. It makes me sad that they're changing it so much in the remake. But I'm coming from a theatre background (You wouldn't change a Shakespeare script just to "make it fresh," dangit!) so I admit my bias.

 

[LNK]

9 is a good game. But I'm not sure that preferring 9 automatically makes 7 'overrated'. I feel like the people calling it overrated are a bit behind the times, in a way -- they may not have realised that 7 isn't even the most popular FF within the series, at least, not in regard to the West. That would be FF6, which is often cited as one of the best role-playing games ever. Chrono Trigger is also often cited as being better than FF7.

It's actually interesting when you look at modern lists where people try to rank RPGs. I know, I know, these lists are subjective and so on, but they also offer the perspectives of gamers and gaming media.

IGN, for example, has a list of top 100 RPGs. Guess where they rank FF7? They have it at number 52 on the list, behind FF9, FFXII, FFIV, FFTactics and FFVI. (They rank FFVI at number 2 on their list.)

USGamer made a list of the top 25 RPGs, all time. FFV and FFVI are on the list. FFVII is not actually included.

Polygon made a list that just ranked FF games only....even on that list, they ranked VII in the 8th position.

If you look at other lists around, you'll most likely see a similar pattern. You'll also get the same sort of thing if you read discussions on gaming communities, where the most popular FF games tend to be VI and IX...so the 'overrated' label really does puzzle me.

I'm surprised ff7 is that high. While I do like 9 and 6 better than 7, 52 seems high. I'm not a huge gamer though. So, what do I really know lol. The majority of games I own are Final Fantasy games.

 

[Theozilla]

IIRC the late 2000s/early 2010s was around when “backlash”/“FFVII is overrated” hate was at its peak (at least in the English speaking fandom). It’s evened out again by now.
Currently (based on my impressions of the English speaking fandom, both old timers and relatively newer fans) the top favorite (non-MMO) Final Fantasys generally seem to be a top 5 of FFVI, FFVII, FFIX, FFX, and then a wild card fifth spot usually being Tactics (or FFVIII, FFIV, FFXII, FFXV, Crisis Core depending on the hype/buzz of the month and/or sub-community one is in) in various orders.