Hopes for Remake & Rebirth (story/content)

[Fiz]

Hi guys, it's been some years. Hope you are all doing fine. Would anyone happen to know what's the consensus on Aeris's revival on remake - is there a chance the original death scene could be avoided and/or Aeris revived? Any interesting theories or videos someone could point me out to?

I'm just curious.

Do I start this up again?

Probably best not, I’ll have MakoEyes track me down and gut me like a fish. ?

 

[Shademp]

If all the timey-wimey stuff comes to fruition, I hope they make use of time displacements as an alternate means of telling flashbacks and/or setup character interactions that otherwise could never happen.

For example it would be neat if Rufus Shinra gets briefly displaced into an alternate timeline (or simply a few weeks/months in the past) and ends up having a chat with with his old man. The scene would serve both to illuminate their troubled relationship and to actually utilize the new plot points of time/destiny shenanigans. The ending of Part 1 already set up Rufus Shinra as an "important" figure by being able to see the Whispers, so if this is followed up by Rufus Shinra being time-displaced then that would feel like a good payoff in my mind.

Ton of potential here really. Imagine being placed back in time to when Seto defended Cosmo Canyon from the Gi tribe, seeing it unfold.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I think that would be a little too on the nose. If Red XIII can achieve emotional catharsis by speaking to his father before he died, clearing up the mistaken belief that he was a coward, that completely erases the emotional grief and maturation Red XIII experienced when confronted with the truth. It doesn't challenge his snap to judgment or really create that bond with Bugenhagen who is there to comfort him with the truth about his dad and reinforce his resolve as a guardian of the planet.

I suppose the grief/loss would be Red XIII having to say goodbye again but why redo it? Would he really be changed or matured through such an experience? I don't think we're supposed to have literal time travel within FFVII. Time is an element but not for literal traversing and redoing the past of the plot.

 

[Shademp]

The Seto scenario is more difficult than I imagined. I pictured the party only seeing a mysterious canine defeating Gi tribe, then vanishing, but yes that would give the show away early as to what Seto actually did.

I still think the Rufus Shinra meets Shinra Senior scenario could work. The time/universe-displacements would either have no impact on the present of the beagle-timeline or they would be a mostly insignificant dent on the terrier-timeline. Whether these scenes count as time-travel or universe-travel would depend on where Square takes the timey-wimey-ness of things, but I can see either happening.

 

[Sprites]

So uh, I dunno if this or the actual remake thread is the place to post but as its story related maybe here has anyone seen what's been going on in relation to Nojima on twitter

A certain someone harrasing him on his personal twitter account was apparently the straw that broke the camel's back and now Nojima has tweeted to say he is no longer going to speak about the remake.



What an absolute shame that its come to this for him and he doesn't feel comfortable commenting any more, and I think its disgusting he's been driven to it.

Just as an extra note I'm not saying that certain someone was fully responsible for this but evidence suggests played a huge part in it. I've seen them constantly bombard all offical FG channels to get their Jessie fix in anything remotely FF7 related including including on FFBE and Dissidia Opera Omnia channels

Nojima has from what I understand been getting harassment over shipping but this seemed to be the final straw and was relentless.

People need to have respect the creators and their work, and stop the harrasment and bombarding. This is when the creators feel they have to quiet down on giving any info to their fans or feel they need to back off its crazy and disgusting

 

[Makoeyes987]

Jairus did that. And yeah, it was mentioned in the LTD thread.

The blight of FFVII fandom truly surpassed the heavens.

 

[Sprites]

Ahh I didn't see it in the LTD but its Horrific, I was trying to be a bit diplomatic about not mentioning names but as you've mentioned it Jairus seriously needs to be blocked from any of SEs and get some serious help at this rate.

I'm glad to see so much support for Nojima currently and everyone so far up in arms about this.

 

[Shademp]

I think it'd be neat if the purple thunderstorm in Nibelheim, from Vincent's OG wallpaper image, was worked into FFVIIR.

Spoiler: Purple/Indigo lightning, very very frightening

I never really paid attention before to *where* in Nibelheim Vincent is standing, but looking at the gate to the bottom left I can see that he is crouching on top of Shinra Manor.

Anyway no bigger argument here other than I think it'd be neat if this cool CG image was given an in-story context. The writers should certainly have no trouble writing up a supernatural thunderstorm if they so desire.

 

[Mr. Dolphin]

The writers should certainly have no trouble writing up a supernatural thunderstorm if they so desire.

An npc saying “the lightning turned purple ever since they put in that damn reactor” and a rumor going around town about a mysterious figure appearing from time to time on the top of the manor is all the explanation I need to see that shot

 

[Ite]

Sometimes lightning is purple tho

I don’t think it needs to be Rogue One levels of contrived, just have Vincent not join the party in the basement, then when they exit the mansion, it’s a thunder storm, and when you go to leave Nibelheim, cut to a moody shot of Vincent on the roof watching the thunder, showing that his role in the story is not yet over. Then he shows up to save you at some point in the Nibel Mountain dungeon.

Or whatever, make it a time hurricane

 

[Rydeen]

Jessie never comes back or is referenced ever again.

 

[Makoeyes987]

No joke, I would be fucking tickled if this makes the writers go, "Nevermind, she's dead... Dead as disco. There's nothing more to say or revisit here. She is within the Lifestream now. The theme is loss. That is all."

 

[Odysseus]

Wedge is the superior Avalanche member anyway.

 

[KindOfBlue]

Wedge is the superior Avalanche member anyway.

Based and Wedgepilled

 

[Odysseus]

The party sits around the Cosmo Candle, reminiscing about the old days. Cloud silently listens in while Barret and Tifa recall anecdotes about their escapades in Midgar with the other Avalanche members. A contemplative silence falls upon them as they realize those times are past them now.

Tifa turns to Cloud, seemingly having remembered something.

Tifa: "Cloud..."

Cloud: "What is it, Tifa?"

Tifa: "Did... did Jessie..."

Her eyes shift to the side, in seeming hesitation.

Cloud: "Did Jessie... what?"

Tifa: "Did-"

Suddenly, Barret violently shoves Tifa aside, sending her directly into the fire.

Barret: "DID JESSIE THESE NUTS?"

*Credit roll*

 

[Shademp]

Then he shows up to save you at some point in the Nibel Mountain dungeon.

Preposterous. Vincent screwing you over by always healing the Dragon in Mt. Nibel, when he is in Galian Beast form, is canon and crucial to the story. /jk

Barret: "DID JESSIE THESE NUTS?"

HAHA GOTTEM

 

[Makoeyes987]

I mean, Vincent does at first refuses to join the party and goes back into his coffin.

It's only until the party goes into the hallway leading out of the basement that he comes out, and changes his mind.

Simply shift that change of mind from the hallway to outside during a lightning storm. Hell, you could make the moment reminiscent of his magnificent landing from Chapter 1 in Dirge of Cerberus. I think referencing both the OG and his game would be lit

 

[Ite]

Preposterous. Vincent screwing you over by always healing the Dragon in Mt. Nibel, when he is in Galian Beast form, is canon and crucial to the story. /jk

Haha. You know I almost said “Saves you during the materia keeper fight” but he’s a damn liability in that fight too ?

 

[ForceStealer]

That was always particularly cruel on the dev's part. And probably accounted for many people swearing off ever using Vincent after that first impression.

 

[BioTeach]

So this scenario could be for part 2 or any part of the remake really: Assuming Zack is actually alive (I know there's a lot of room for argument there), I hope we get to see some interaction between him and Tseng. Firstly because I always found their dynamic interesting. It seems to me that Tseng took their failure to save Zack rather hard, leading me to believe that he cared about Zack and maybe even considered him a friend. Which makes me wonder what would happen when Zack inevitably asks him about Aerith. The last time they saw each other was at the park right before Zack leaves for Nibelheim. Tseng told him not to worry about Aerith as it was his job to protect her to which Zack responded "You're the only one I can depend on. I'm counting on you." So much for that. Now Tseng is going to have to either lie or confess that he kidnapped her and handed her over to Hojo to be raped and experimented on. I don't think Zack would take that confession too lightly. Would make for an interesting confrontation between the two.

 

[Rhoey]

I honestly just want to see more interaction between my two favorite characters, Aerith and Vincent. I would be over the moon happy if they had at least one moment of badassery together, and possibly a touching/heartwarming or funny moment. That's literally all I ask. Just some friendship stuff. Even though I ship them, I also do friend-ship them.

Other than that, I'm open to pretty much anything. Oh, and I'm also one of those "Aerith should live" people. I can already hear the violent typing and heavy breathing as you're trying to put me in my place. Bring it on! In the words of Johnny Cash: I won't back down.

 

[Ashen]

This may sound weird, but I'd like to get some optional/hidden scenes like in the OG. I know many people think it was annoying to have plot-related scenes hidden, but I felt really happy and somewhat accomplished when I found one of those. Like, 'oh, I can keep replaying this game over and over and still find new, and sometimes important stuff hidden'. Even finding small, optional scenes with the characters felt satisfyng. But I'd bet that's not happening anymore... Not nowdays.

 

[Chocomog]

Hello guys... so I'm new to the community and I actually don't plan to be very active here. As probably many of you I'm a Final Fantasy Fan since the FF7 release. And I've read and talked about a lot of theories, analysis, possibillities and stuff about Remake. And I'm more on the camp of those who are saying the story already changed a lot. And that it's not a remake but a sequel that was named Remake for the reason, that there will be huge changes in the future. And I think the mix of being a Sequel but following the OG core story is one of the best things ever because we re-experience the OG in a modern way and get total new content, which includes the compilation stuff as well.


However, there is one thing I never talked about and I've never seen people talked about it that way. And the hope that I have.

Spoiler

And that's the fact that I don't want Aerith to die in Part 2 because I feel like it's way to early. Not in terms of story or anything. Just for my own feelings. I never was that big of an Aerith Fan. But rhe Remake learned me to love her so much. I want to enjoy as much of time as possible with her.


Since I'm still convinced that she will die and the developers will have to go on with the story, I think I'm okay with this in the middle or end of part 3. But I feel like part 2 would be to early. Espeically for the new fans as well. I mean we probably never will see her again in that form. Can't even imagine how the game will feel without her.

 

[Eerie]

There's a huge thread dedicated to your spoiler in the spoiler section here, so you can check it.

I think we really need to know how many parts will the game be - to me, that's the thing we need to know. It's very different if it's a 3 or 4 parts game - and I'm personally betting 4 parts game, which means it'd happen in part 3.

 

[Chocomog]

There's a huge thread dedicated to your spoiler in the spoiler section here, so you can check it.

Well I wasn't about starting a spoiler discussion or questioning about what they questioning in this thread. Only wanted to share my hope for part 2. So I think it's fine to do it here with spoilertags. But thanks even so.

I think we really need to know how many parts will the game be - to me, that's the thing we need to know. It's very different if it's a 3 or 4 parts game - and I'm personally betting 4 parts game, which means it'd happen in part 3.

Wouldn't bet that they even tell us. I think they will gonna say something with "maybe, probably". Some kind of relativating to keep some room for changes if needed. It's probably more likely that they gonna spoil it to much in there second or third trailer. Like they did with part 1.