Hypothetical scenario

[Shizuka]

I haven't been on the forums for a while but after playing on CC for the hundredth time it got me thinking.

What if Sephiroth never went on his final mission and thus never lost his mind? It got me thinking what would of become of Cloud? Would he have stayed with ShinRa? Would Tifa have joined Avalanche or just stayed with her father?

Zack and Sephiroth what would have become of them?

I am aware there would of been no FFVII but this is just conjecture I just wondered what everyone's opinions are.

I just wanted to add I recently read S & G FFVII story, I found highly interesting and really enjoyed it. I really hope you write more.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Well... Sephiroth still has the "live" Jenova cells in him, doesn't he? I suppose it all depends on whether you think Jenova is a sentient being controlling Sephiroth, or whether she's essentially brain-dead and he's possessed her body with his will. If the former, then sooner or later she's going to try to use him to escape her captivity. If the latter, then I don't know... I suppose there would be no Meteor Crisis and ShinRA would just go on sucking the life out of the Planet. Tifa would have no reason to leave Nibelheim or join Avalanche, and Cloud would have no reason to become disenchanted with Shinra, since he's not exactly an environmentalist....

But Aerith would still be a Cetra and she would still know that something was wrong with the Planet. And Zack, who was becoming pretty disillusioned about Shinra, would still be in love with her. So maybe she would set off on her mission of self-discovery and summon Holy not to combat Sephiroth, but to put an end to Shinra, and maybe Zack would go with her (hey, and maybe Kunsel too) and Tseng and Cloud and Sephiroth would be tasked with hunting them down....

SandG's story is great, isn't it?

 

[Shizuka]

Well... Sephiroth still has the "live" Jenova cells in him, doesn't he? I suppose it all depends on whether you think Jenova is a sentient being controlling Sephiroth, or whether she's essentially brain-dead and he's possessed her body with his will. If the former, then sooner or later she's going to try to use him to escape her captivity. If the latter, then I don't know... I suppose there would be no Meteor Crisis and ShinRA would just go on sucking the life out of the Planet. Tifa would have no reason to leave Nibelheim or join Avalanche, and Cloud would have no reason to become disenchanted with Shinra, since he's not exactly an environmentalist....

But Aerith would still be a Cetra and she would still know that something was wrong with the Planet. And Zack, who was becoming pretty disillusioned about Shinra, would still be in love with her. So maybe she would set off on her mission of self-discovery and summon Holy not to combat Sephiroth, but to put an end to Shinra, and maybe Zack would go with her (hey, and maybe Kunsel too) and Tseng and Cloud and Sephiroth would be tasked with hunting them down....

SandG's story is great, isn't it?

I always thought that Jenova was brain dead and that Sephiroth was in control of it? Didn't it momentarily take control of Sephiroth in Nibilheim? But once he entered the lifestream he took control of it? I'm probably wrong but that's how I interupted it.

Sephiroth was beginning to question the company wasn't he? Could he have hunted down Zack? After all he refused the mission to go after Angeal and Genesis.

I do believe with your theory of Aerith and Zack leaving. I wonder if Cloud would of followed Zack? Or continued trying to become SOLDIER?

Yes S & G story is fantastic I really hope it's continued.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

It would be a real shame if Sephiroth was always destined to be fucking crazy no matter what he did due to Jenova. There's no real way to know, but I'd like to assume that free will trumps all, he chose to do the things he did, regardless of his influence. His strong will also wouldn't let him off the 'but my mommy made me do it' hook.

As far as the actual question, it's worth a thought. Sephiroth was considering retiring if it wasn't for Nibelheim. Sephiroth is good at everything he does, but he's been fighting all his life. Would be be able to do anything else?

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I too always assumed that Sephiroth's will had taken over Jenova's and was controlling her powers, but I gather there's a school of thought which believes that Sephiroth was essentially dead after Nibelheim and Jenova was using him (ironically) as a kind of puppet/disguise.

Even if Jenova was brain dead, Hojo's "reunion theory" still ought to hold true. I don't know what that would mean for a sane Sephiroth.

Somehow I don't think that having Sephiroth and Cloud hunt down Zack and Aerith would make for nearly such an interesting game.

 

[Shizuka]

It would be a real shame if Sephiroth was always destined to be fucking crazy no matter what he did due to Jenova. There's no real way to know, but I'd like to assume that free will trumps all, he chose to do the things he did, regardless of his influence. His strong will also wouldn't let him off the 'but my mommy made me do it' hook.

As far as the actual question, it's worth a thought. Sephiroth was considering retiring if it wasn't for Nibelheim. Sephiroth is good at everything he does, but he's been fighting all his life. Would be be able to do anything else?

Yeah I find that a real shame if Sephiroth's fate was to become mad either way. I really don't know think Jenova was in control. Which after finding out in the lifestream I am puzzled for Sephiroth's later actions. I suppose finding out about his birth really made him beyond angry and vengeful. Plus he didn't have the most sane parents.

As for Sephiroth leaving ShinRa I think he would of, I always saw him becoming a member against ShinRa and fighting against them.

 

[Roger]

Jenova was in that container for 25+ years, if Sephiroth never gets close to that reactor then she's not getting out. Sephiroth would continue serving Shinra and be sent against threats to the Shinra organisation, thus the ongoing battle against the AVALANCHE might go very differently and while Barret would probably still end up bearing a grudge against Shinra, he might not end up their leader. Cloud and Tifa's lives continue on as they had, perhaps Cloud does make it into SOLDIER at some point. Eventually Shinra will come for Aerith and Zack won't put up with it. If he prevents the kidnapping then they'll probably go on to escape the city and live in hiding. In this scenerio Red XIII does languish in Hojo's captivity forever. Things continue on until the Planet's Lifestream is drained entirely. If she is successfully kidnapped then either Zack is stopped from rescuing her by Sephiroth and put down or breaks into Hojo's lab and rescues both her and Red XIII, who leads them (as they have no place to go) to Cosmo Canyon where Bugenhagen will make his case to convince them to save the Planet and Aerith probably ends up using the White Materia, which unleashes Holy, which this time around (Midgar still intact, Shinra Inc. thriving more then ever) has no reason to see humanity as a huge drain of the Planet resources and wipes everyone save Aerith, Red XIII and Bugenhagen from the face of the Planet.

 

[Shizuka]

I too always assumed that Sephiroth's will had taken over Jenova's and was controlling her powers, but I gather there's a school of thought which believes that Sephiroth was essentially dead after Nibelheim and Jenova was using him (ironically) as a kind of puppet/disguise.

Even if Jenova was brain dead, Hojo's "reunion theory" still ought to hold true. I don't know what that would mean for a sane Sephiroth.

Somehow I don't think that having Sephiroth and Cloud hunt down Zack and Aerith would make for nearly such an interesting game.

True but Hojo was wrong about many things. And no it really wouldn't I just created this thread for discussion.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

The 'Sephiroth was brain dead/Jenova was controlling him' theory was proven untrue, yes?

Somehow I don't think that having Sephiroth and Cloud hunt down Zack and Aerith would make for nearly such an interesting game.

Maybe not, but it would be interesting to see a whole new slew of people/allies. I imagine Zack would have his own 'party members' on his quest, just like Cloud did. For the most part Cloud's party were a bunch of average Joes pissed off with their circumstances enough to follow Cloud, with no fundamental destiny to be there. I imagine Zack would do the same thing and gather allies. It could be interesting.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

. Sephiroth would continue serving Shinra and be sent against threats to the Shinra organisation

Would he? I thought he was planning on leaving Shinra/retiring.

 

[Roger]

Would he? I thought he was planning on leaving Shinra/retiring.

This is figuring FFVII, not Compilation.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

This is figuring FFVII, not Compilation.

Is it? Did TC specify?

 

[Roger]

Is it? Did TC specify?

Well if it's about if BC or CC's Nibelheim incident didn't happen then technically this thread belongs in the Pre-Crisis board.

But anyway, Sephiroth only mentions that he MIGHT abandon Shinra depending on what happens during the Nibelheim mission which might lead them to Genesis, Lazard and Hollander.

As we know he DID meet Genesis, and the meeting didn't invoke sympathy towards his cause in the slightest.

 

[jazzflower92]

Another question is what if Sephiroth could have found Vincent in the basement and opened his coffin.I mean if you think about Vincent would be the one to set the record straight and tell the truth about everything.Then they team up together and beat the living daylights out of Hojo.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Given that SandG's FFVII story was mentioned... I'm thinking this takes CC into account at the very least.

Sephrioth leaving Shin-Ra poses an interesting problem as Shin-Ra does not like people leaving without permission. Given that Shin-Ra practically made Sephiroth and Hojo's position in the company I'd think that Shin-Ra would try to get Sephiroth back or kill him to prevent him from turning on them. The thing is, there's almost no one in Shin-Ra who is capable of taking down Sephrioth and the people who are closest to being able to do that (Zack and probably the Turks) know it would be a suicide mission. They even might understand why he did leave. So at the very least, I'd see the scenario in FFXIII where the entire government is chasing you and there aren't many safe places to go.

 

[jazzflower92]

Some part of me says that Hojo would never allow his greatest creation to leave that easily and will find some way to keep Sephiroth under his thumb.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Would Hojo want to get Sephiroth back for Shinra? His major interest has always been in seeing what Sephiroth is capable of. I don't think he'd care if Sephiroth destroyed Shinra - he'd just revel in the spectacle of his creation's might and his own genius, and if he himself was immolated in the process, so what? He'll be a martys in the name of Science.

Since nobody is capable of stopping Sephiroth, Shinra's best plan might be to figure out some way to use his Jenova cells against him. Original New Mad Scientist character coming up!

I like Minato's ideas, especially the suggestion that summoning Holy destroys everyone except Aerith and Red XIII (Bugenhagen's a mere human, so I don't see why he would survive) if this story is going to be interesting, then Shinra can't be all evil. As in the original story, the threat Aerith's 'cure' would pose to humanity would have to be as bad as the terminal 'cancer' that ShinRa represents. So Sephiroth would need to figure out some way to stop them both, while hurting as few innocents as possible in the process.

 

[Roger]

If Genesis, Lazard or Hollander do convince Sephiroth to leave Shinra for them then I'd say President Shinra would say it's about time to use Deepground. Given that Weiss and the Restrictors can school Rosso more easily then Cloud or Vincent, I'd give Lost Force+Tsviets good odds against Pre-entering the Lifestream Sephiroth and degraded Genesis.

But in the end all paths lead either to the White Materia or the Planet being sucked dry. Hard to imagine the Lifestream interfening if Sephiroth or Jenova don't go worlddestroying supervillian on us.

I don't see th anti-Shinra combining to bring them down and stopping humankind from using the Mako Reators of their own free will.

 

[jazzflower92]

I also wonder if eventually sane Sephiroth would find out that Aerith is Gast's daughter and the truth behind what happened to the scientist he has admired from childhood.I think finding that out would give him an even more personal reason to prevent her from getting into Shinra's hands.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

oh god I hate Deepground.

Good point, Jazzflower.

But what about poor, conflicted Tseng?

 

[jazzflower92]

I think by vowing to protect Aerith as an obligation to Gast Sephiroth finds something finally worth fighting for.Especially if he finds out the truth about Gast's death which would make him really decide to leave Shinra for good.

 

[Octo]

Cloud would have gone on being a shinra grunt and being vaguely dissatisfied, until he got too old, then he'd become a security guard and get all overweight. Then he'd move back to Nibelheim to look after his elderly mother. Tifa would have married one of the other village boys and be living in her fathers house. Cloud would resent this and become a nuisance neighbour complaining about petty stuff. When his mother dies Cloud would turn to booze, mainly out of boredom. He'd die in a fire after drunkenly leaving the oven on and passing out while cooking sausages.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

The 'Sephiroth was brain dead/Jenova was controlling him' theory was proven untrue, yes?

Well, yes and no. It's a bit more complicated than that, apparently. It was confirmed that Jenova influenced him in Nibelheim, though, as well as remained an active force thereafter.

Read the Jenova and Seph portion here:

http://thelifestream.net/lifestream...arding-ffvii-an-analysis-by-squall_of_seed/2/

But in the end all paths lead either to the White Materia or the Planet being sucked dry. Hard to imagine the Lifestream interfening if Sephiroth or Jenova don't go worlddestroying supervillian on us.

Harder still if Aerith wasn't dead. It was she who commandeered the Lifestream against Meteor and Holy, after all.

 

[Roger]

Sephiroth had the stronger will but it was more that the two of them were willing partners in crime.

 

[Wolfmania]

I'd give Lost Force+Tsviets good odds against Pre-entering the Lifestream Sephiroth and degraded Genesis.

Chances are that he'd still just off all of them, without that much of an effort, honestly. :S

Plus, if Sephiroth was convinced to join Genesis's rebellion, wouldn't it be logical that Sephiroth would be convinced to share his S-Cells? Hence, stopping Gen's degradation?

I imagine Shinra would go down. Hard.

Unless they put Hojo to work on some brilliant, completely hypothetical plan or something.