I may have to leave again.

[Joker]

There's a huge difference between supporting "taking the law into your own hands" and being concerned about a friend who may be in a lot of trouble.

 

[Alex]

Regarding the situations: may true justice (Ma'at) be done.

I am truly disgusted and disappointed that anyone is showing you support for taking the law into your own hands; you were not there at the time of the incident, you do not know what truly happened.

I will not support taking the law into one's own hands.

Yeah, because the law never makes a mess of things does it?

I hope everything woks out for the best, Gabe :/

 

[Tifaeria]

Wow, that is just awful. Please stay safe and strong. We'll all keep you in our thoughts! <3

 

[Max Payne]

Regarding the situations: may true justice (Ma'at) be done.

I am truly disgusted and disappointed that anyone is showing you support for taking the law into your own hands; you were not there at the time of the incident, you do not know what truly happened.

Jesus christ are you fucking retarded.

 

[Geostigma]

Did she get to the hospital? Did she report this?

Yes and yes.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

I don't care what anyone says, beating the stuffing out of someone may be wrong to some folks but there are times it needs to be done anyway imo. Wife/girlfriend beaters are one of the best reasons to snap and throw a punch or two I can think of. Got my fingers crossed that the police never bother to look into this and your life goes on as is Boxxy.

 

[Max Payne]

Going on about "true justice" and all this other naive bullshit smacks of the kind of crap I haven't heard of in a long time.

Being "disgusted" by people showing support for their friend who found himself in a fucked up situation, in a fight he didn't start, what kind of horseshit is that?

Fuck, I'm glad he defended himself. The fuck would you do someone throws a punch at you? Turn the other cheek? Goddamn.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Woman beaters deserve a lot more than beaten up. It was perfectly just for Gabe to take the law into his own hands, because there's almost certainly no damn way the law in Texas would have done anything about it. It might not be particularly legal, but legal is not synonymous with ethical.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

TBH, I'm impressed that he stopped at giving them a beating. You all know my protective instincts run deep and I've had anger issues of my own in the past. Last time one of my female friends got hit by her boyfriend, I had to be restrained by my room-mate when I started heading for my knives. So yeah, you've earned multiple forms of respect from me man.

 

[Arianna]

Going on about "true justice" and all this other naive bullshit smacks of the kind of crap I haven't heard of in a long time.

Being "disgusted" by people showing support for their friend who found himself in a fucked up situation, in a fight he didn't start, what kind of horseshit is that?

Fuck, I'm glad he defended himself. The fuck would you do someone throws a punch at you? Turn the other cheek? Goddamn.

He DID start it Dacon. He didn't HAVE to go to the person's house and take things into HIS OWN hands. He didn't defend himself, at all.

Call it bullshit if you wish. I am disgusted by the show of disrespect for the law. He could have taken his friend to the ER, or to the police - that would have done much more than beating on the guy.

Don't get me wrong. I understand his feelings. I understand wanting to beat someone up for much less things than this. I understand a hell of a lot more than any of you know; but, the law is the law - you don't take it into your own hands. End of story.

(And, yes, I do know that sadly 'justice' in this land is seemingly a fair weather thing at times.)

Unless his friend was being assaulted in front of him, he had no business touching the guy. Even then, protecting someone else or self-defense is sadly considered a fine line.

I think that being there for his friend was wonderful; I think how he 'helped' is not wonderful.

Jesus christ are you fucking retarded.

Can you ever stop acting retarded?

If someone doesn't agree with you, they don't agree.

Stop acting like a spoiled child, outbursting every time you are disagreed with.

Yes and yes.

Good.

 

[Max Payne]

He DID start it Dacon. He didn't HAVE to go to the person's house and take things into HIS OWN hands. He didn't defend himself, at all.

No, he didn't have to confront him , the fact reminds the guy attacked him FIRST. I am not going to tell someone they're wrong for defending themselves, whether they initiate a verbal confrontation beforehand or not.

Call it bullshit if you wish. I am disgusted by the show of disrespect for the law. He could have taken his friend to the ER, or to the police - that would have done much more than beating on the guy.

The situation had already been handled with his friend, and she had been done for.

Why should anyone "respect the law" when it's so terribly fucked up and obscured by misinformation, malpractice, and general fuckery?

FFS my family has suffered enough because of people abusing the law, the same people I'm supposed to entrust civil safety too? What a goddamn joke.

What fucking world do you live in, that you can even say such a thing? My father almost went into a diabetic coma in prison because he was arrested for tickets he didn't even have, after being pulled over for an offense he didn't even commit.

Whine to us about disrespecting the law when it has become respectable.

Don't get me wrong. I understand his feelings. I understand wanting to beat someone up for much less things than this. I understand a hell of a lot more than any of you know; but, the law is the law - you don't take it into your own hands. End of story.

The law has fucked over dozens upon dozens of people, killed and abused more than I can count. You're painfully naive if you think they can handle things any better than the average person, because guess what, the people that enforce your precious law are average people who fuck up just as much as we do.

Unless his friend was being assaulted in front of him, he had no business touching the guy. Even then, protecting someone else or self-defense is sadly considered a fine line.

Guy attacked him first, I suppose he should have just called for an adult!

Can you ever stop acting retarded?

If someone doesn't agree with you, they don't agree.

Stop acting like a spoiled child, outbursting every time you are disagreed with.

Sure, soon as you stop being so goddamn naive. Spoiled child? I'm calling it like it is. Your point of view on this entire issue is retarded. There's nothing childish about calling things what they are, blunt maybe, but have the sense enough to call it what it is.

This asinine point of view is exactly why law enforcement hasn't gotten its head out of its ass. If people don't do what the law won't, and demonstrate the fact that they're doing their jobs so poorly, how will they ever better themselves? How many abusive officers have been exposed, how many victims exonerated of things they didn't do, because people took the law into their hands? A shitload.

Fuck not too long ago an officer beat the ever loving shit out of a guy after pulling him over, and he provided no resistance at all. If the entire affair hadn't been illegally filmed, no one would have known it happened.

 

[Joker]

I am truly disgusted and disappointed that anyone is showing you support for taking the law into your own hands; you were not there at the time of the incident, you do not know what truly happened.

Stay safe, hope you'll be okay and nothing worse happens, etc

66.6% is most?

 

[Ⓐaron]

Goddamn, I didn’t think it was possible for anyone but Vendel to think law enforcement are effective after this thread. Guess that was a bit naïve of me.

 

[Splintered]

Eh, I think that thread unfairly paints law enforcement all in one brush, but in regards to domestic violence, law enforcement traditionally- is bullshit.

But that's all moot because this is barely about "taking the law in your own hands." It's about a dipshit who hit someone, and then got hit back.

Arianna, I know you mean well, but I find your general attitude more offensive than anything Dacon just said. No one. No one deserves to go to jail because they got into a small fight. Least not a fight against a woman beater.

He didn't go out crusading with a baseball bat. He went to confront the guy, not necessarily physically. And yes, if you do shit like that, you deserve to be confronted. That's how society exerts pressure. Do stupid shit. Get confronted. Hell, I would be worried if no one did anything.

The police don't care either. I knew a guy who worked in a bad part of Baltimore as a security guard in a drug store. They had cameras of this guy who was shop lifting, then someone who was probably his pregnant girlfriend went in to try and stop him. The guy slapped the woman hard enough to fall on the ground.

So the security guards cornered him and beat the crap out of him. Then they called the cops, and the cops saw everything that they did. And they ignored it and arrested the shop lifter. Law isn't everything, even cops know that.

tl;dr

Fuck this guy. Fuck everyone who is like him. I'm glad he got his ass beat. Boxxy doesn't deserve a jail sentence, he deserves a pat on the back.

 

[Max Payne]

Hey, I am not saying law enforcement/law is generally bad. It's just not good enough to claim it is the end all be all in human conflict.

My dad was a cop, and I honestly think that those days were among his best, he was nicer, we had less problems. He and his fellow officers were pretty straightforward save the few drug dealers they busted in the department.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Well, I wouldn't say all law enforcement officers are bad. However, the bad ones do seem to rise to the top quite frequently. At any rate, there are enough bad law enforcement officials that expecting the police to handle domestic violence complaints properly is pretty naïve.

 

[null]

Can you ever stop acting retarded?

If someone doesn't agree with you, they don't agree.

Stop acting like a spoiled child, outbursting every time you are disagreed with.

So you claimed the moral high ground over the entire thread based on some random Egyptian mythological bullshit, and you're surprised someone called you retarded? Maybe you shouldn't judge someone if you're not prepared to receive in kind.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Anyone considered splitting this off or something? Its gotten pretty far abreast from supporting Boxxy at this point.

But, just to weigh in on what we are discussing, I gotta say that the law sucks at dealing with domestic abuse. Even when the cops aren't tools about it, there just isn't much they can really do about it in a lot of circumstances. Last time I had to help a friend deal with anything similar, it was a lesbian couple I had gotten to be friends with and their room-mates who had gotten so fed up with them that they started a fight. The police could honestly do nothing, except stay on the premises for a set length of time and keep more violence from breaking out until my friends gathered up some of their stuff and left (ending up staying with me for a few weeks cause they had nowhere else to go at the time). Sure, they gave me a pat on the back cause I had already been doing that long before they showed up, but where would I have wound up if violence had broken out and I had to physically intervene?

On a related note, far too many of the police I've met are bullies. I have a theory that they were probably jocks and other assorted bullying bastards back in school, who went out and got themselves a badge and a gun so they could keep doing so. Even with laws that make sense, those who enforce it can be anywhere between retarded and just plain cruel. So yeah, sometimes if you want something done you have to do it yourself.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Regarding the situations: may true justice (Ma'at) be done.

okay i hope i am not alone in saying this but

what?

 

[Hisako]

And just wish that Boxx comes out of this okay, okay?
I know it's sort of relevant to this case, but I think this debate of principles is turning into a sort of wild beast on this thread. >:

 

[Geostigma]

I didnt log yesterday because i was pretty tired from work, yeah i work at a call center but even sitting on your ass for 10 hour shifts can fatigue you

Anyway yet another day with no confrontation from police, roomies say no ones come by either. Unless they werent home when someone came by or maybe there just deaf i think i may be in the clear in regards to being arrested.


@ side convo, i dont mind it to be honest. If you want to follow it up in another thread or split this one do it if you like. If you want to keep it here, thats cool too.

@ black mage, i didnt say it in the thread but i messaged dacon this (thus how he knows alot more then you guys about the incident).
The guys step dad stopped the fight, and threatened to pull a gun on me if i didnt leave immediately. I live in texas,im pretty sure he did have a gun and im pretty sure he would not get in any trouble for shooting me. Thus why i stopped, otherwise i honestly dont know how far i would of or could of gone.

@ Ari, dacon and you both are right.
I didnt have to go there, i WAS looking for a fight. I think thats obvious.
He initiated a "physical argument", until his fist connected with my head it was a shouting contest.
It didnt have to go further, but yet again he demonstrated he likes to argue with his fists rather then his brain.


I dont care much for either side of the argument to be honest. Theres good cops, theres bad cops. Cops are humans after all, human error and emotion are always going to be present in any case. Shit happens, it just sucks that most high ranking officers are usually the biggest criminals around.

I dont go taking the law into my own hands for everything that happens.
I saw what she looked like and i couldnt sit there and do nothing about it, Most of the bruising and damage she received are from when she was already in the fetal position.
If he couldnt control himself and realize he was being a fucking psycho, beating on a girl thats smaller then him when shes already on the ground then theres no reason i cant lose control on him.

Also, i like how dacons current username fits well with him backing vigilantism.
Thats awesome.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Gotcha. Yeah the threat of being shot does tend to put you in a state of mind that is not quite so hot-blooded. I speak from experience on that one. Still, my feelings on the matter remain mostly unchanged.

I also remain unchanged regarding my feelings on the fight happening. It is, under normal circumstances, wrong to go looking for a fight. But sometimes people need punching. And especially if he kept beating her once she hit the fetal position, he needed a dose of his own medicine. Still hoping the police leave you alone mate. Like I said earlier, at least you didn't grab a weapon and go for blood like some people (me) have tried to do in the past.

Thank god I had therapy.

 

[Max Payne]

I didnt log yesterday because i was pretty tired from work, yeah i work at a call center but even sitting on your ass for 10 hour shifts can fatigue you

Anyway yet another day with no confrontation from police, roomies say no ones come by either. Unless they werent home when someone came by or maybe there just deaf i think i may be in the clear in regards to being arrested.


@ side convo, i dont mind it to be honest. If you want to follow it up in another thread or split this one do it if you like. If you want to keep it here, thats cool too.

@ black mage, i didnt say it in the thread but i messaged dacon this (thus how he knows alot more then you guys about the incident).
The guys step dad stopped the fight, and threatened to pull a gun on me if i didnt leave immediately. I live in texas,im pretty sure he did have a gun and im pretty sure he would not get in any trouble for shooting me. Thus why i stopped, otherwise i honestly dont know how far i would of or could of gone.

@ Ari, dacon and you both are right.
I didnt have to go there, i WAS looking for a fight. I think thats obvious.
He initiated a "physical argument", until his fist connected with my head it was a shouting contest.
It didnt have to go further, but yet again he demonstrated he likes to argue with his fists rather then his brain.


I dont care much for either side of the argument to be honest. Theres good cops, theres bad cops. Cops are humans after all, human error and emotion are always going to be present in any case. Shit happens, it just sucks that most high ranking officers are usually the biggest criminals around.

I dont go taking the law into my own hands for everything that happens.
I saw what she looked like and i couldnt sit there and do nothing about it, Most of the bruising and damage she received are from when she was already in the fetal position.
If he couldnt control himself and realize he was being a fucking psycho, beating on a girl thats smaller then him when shes already on the ground then theres no reason i cant lose control on him.

Also, i like how dacons current username fits well with him backing vigilantism.
Thats awesome.

Of course I'm right, and it looks like I may have been right about your situation too. They may have refrained from reporting it since he attacked you first.

 

[Joker]

Probably.

And yeah, he is 172% likely to have a gun, and in Texas you only have to tell them to leave once before you can get away with homicide =/

 

[Geostigma]

If he came by my place, i'd shoot him