Love Triangle Spoiler Thread
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lennethlee
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actually it sub in madarin only...sorry can't found e english sub....
IndianaoftheJones
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OH sorry I'll learn to read next time, my bad. Thought I was in another topic, they're all kinda merging together.
Selphie Tilmitt
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That was my fault. I was confused by the new information coming out and thought Cloud said it before the new location of the Buster Sword
It wasn't until today until I read up on the latest information and had the ending scenes clarified for me. I didn't know he said it on the cliff instead. So yeah sorry about that!*sees posts relating to trolling and Alise offering up the Cloti forum*
Aww Alise you're such a sweetie
Heh, thank you... do I know you by any chance?Alise you're such a sweetie
;;And also, Aerith doesn't appear in the end of Calling this time - so we can eliminate the fact that it's a love song, and directed how it originally was supposed to be - Cloud's theme that Nomura specifically chose... right?
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'Calling' isn't even in the movie any more, is it?
And egads does it still tick me off when people use that name to refer to the driving portion of the credit sequence.
Also, the Pinker note that ACC isn't explicitly Cloti is hilarious. Mostly because it reveals their double standards yet again. If it's vaguely possible maybe not really at all not even there Clerith, ZOMFG canon. But unless C/T are shown schtupping on screen, it doesn't count, and if the do, he was probably thinking of Aerith.
Do you know I was told Aerith should be given a much lower standard of proof because she's dead, BECAUSE it's less likely/ harder for her to have a relationship with the living?
It just boggled. Where I'm sitting, extraordinary claim require extraordinary evidence. Not LESS or NO evidence. I'm not sure what Cuckooland it works the other way in, but I do know that if I ever find it, I'm telling them they owe me a million dollars. Each.
And egads does it still tick me off when people use that name to refer to the driving portion of the credit sequence.
Also, the Pinker note that ACC isn't explicitly Cloti is hilarious. Mostly because it reveals their double standards yet again. If it's vaguely possible maybe not really at all not even there Clerith, ZOMFG canon. But unless C/T are shown schtupping on screen, it doesn't count, and if the do, he was probably thinking of Aerith.
Do you know I was told Aerith should be given a much lower standard of proof because she's dead, BECAUSE it's less likely/ harder for her to have a relationship with the living?
It just boggled. Where I'm sitting, extraordinary claim require extraordinary evidence. Not LESS or NO evidence. I'm not sure what Cuckooland it works the other way in, but I do know that if I ever find it, I'm telling them they owe me a million dollars. Each.
DillyDally
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It seems that "クラウドは女の友人であり恋人であり" is truly stated in case of lifestream.
The Tifa board that I lurk is talking about this heatedly. Actually they say this "koibito" is different from the RF one. ...It kind of drives them crazy as well.
I'm not going to make any comment on this until I get my own novella.
They changed a line after Cloud stated that he wanted to start a new life with tifa.
｢でも、新しい人生のことを考えたのは何度目だろうと思ったら、おかしかった｣
｢どうして？｣
｢おれは全部失敗してるからな｣
｢笑えないよ｣
｢――次は大丈夫だと思うんだ｣
クラウドは少しの間考えてから続けた。｢今度はティファと一緒だから｣
｢ずっと一緒だったじゃない｣
｢明日からの話だ｣→｢少し意味が違うんだ｣クラウドは再び笑顔で答えた。
But when I think about how many times I've thought about starting a new life, it's funny."
"Why?"
"I've always failed to do it."
"That's not funny."
"...I think it will be all right this time."
Cloud became very quiet for a moment. Then he said, "Because you're with me."
"But I've always been with you."
"That's how it will be starting from tomorrow"---->"It's a little different this time." Cloud replied smiling again.
"It's a little different this time" is the new line.
It's so Cloti!!!!
The Tifa board that I lurk is talking about this heatedly. Actually they say this "koibito" is different from the RF one. ...It kind of drives them crazy as well.
I'm not going to make any comment on this until I get my own novella.
They changed a line after Cloud stated that he wanted to start a new life with tifa.
｢でも、新しい人生のことを考えたのは何度目だろうと思ったら、おかしかった｣
｢どうして？｣
｢おれは全部失敗してるからな｣
｢笑えないよ｣
｢――次は大丈夫だと思うんだ｣
クラウドは少しの間考えてから続けた。｢今度はティファと一緒だから｣
｢ずっと一緒だったじゃない｣
｢明日からの話だ｣→｢少し意味が違うんだ｣クラウドは再び笑顔で答えた。
But when I think about how many times I've thought about starting a new life, it's funny."
"Why?"
"I've always failed to do it."
"That's not funny."
"...I think it will be all right this time."
Cloud became very quiet for a moment. Then he said, "Because you're with me."
"But I've always been with you."
"That's how it will be starting from tomorrow"---->"It's a little different this time." Cloud replied smiling again.
"It's a little different this time" is the new line.
It's so Cloti!!!!
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Immortal280
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"It all starts now. A new..." Cloud looked for the right words. "A new life."
"I'm going to live. I think that's the only way I can be forgiven. All sorts of things... happened."
"But when I think about how many times I've thought about how I was going to start a new life, it's funny."
"Why?"
"I've always failed to do it."
"And you couldn't smile."
"...I think it will be all right this time."
Cloud became very quiet. "Because you've always been with me."
"I've always been with you."
"That's tomorrow's story," Cloud replied, smiling again.
http://www.ff7citadel.com/compilation/ac_smile_tifa.shtml
It is cloti XD
Zephyr
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Here, I found this, that explains two different "koibito". It lies in the first symbol:
The kanji for koibito is:
恋人
It is similar, but at a deeper level different, to 愛人　(aijin). The first kanji is what is different. So really what were talking about is the difference between 恋 (koi) and 愛 (ai). I have read about the difference but it eludes me just at the moment. Off the top of my head, koibito is more like a sweetheart, a true love; whereas aijin is used more for an illicit lover. I'll look into it.
By the way, the expression 恋愛 (renai) uses both kanji together. It is used to mean love and romance.
Further explaination:
"Koi" is a love for the opposite sex, or a longing feeling for a specific person. It can be described as "romantic love" or "passionate love." While "ai" has the same meaning as "koi," it also has a definition of a general feeling of love. "Koi" can be selfish, but "ai" is a real love. Here are some lines that explain them well:
Koi is always wanting. Ai is always giving.
"Renai （恋愛）" is written with the kanji characters of both "koi" and "ai." This word means, "romantic love." "Renai-kekkon （恋愛結婚）" is a "love marriage," which is the opposite of "miai-kekkon (見合い結婚, arranged marriage)." "Renai-shousetsu （恋愛小説）" is "a love story" or "a romance novel." The title of the movie, "As Good As It Gets" was translated as "Renai-shousetuska (恋愛小説家, A Romance Novel Writer)."
The kanji for koibito is:
恋人
It is similar, but at a deeper level different, to 愛人　(aijin). The first kanji is what is different. So really what were talking about is the difference between 恋 (koi) and 愛 (ai). I have read about the difference but it eludes me just at the moment. Off the top of my head, koibito is more like a sweetheart, a true love; whereas aijin is used more for an illicit lover. I'll look into it.
By the way, the expression 恋愛 (renai) uses both kanji together. It is used to mean love and romance.
Further explaination:
"Koi" is a love for the opposite sex, or a longing feeling for a specific person. It can be described as "romantic love" or "passionate love." While "ai" has the same meaning as "koi," it also has a definition of a general feeling of love. "Koi" can be selfish, but "ai" is a real love. Here are some lines that explain them well:
Koi is always wanting. Ai is always giving.
"Renai （恋愛）" is written with the kanji characters of both "koi" and "ai." This word means, "romantic love." "Renai-kekkon （恋愛結婚）" is a "love marriage," which is the opposite of "miai-kekkon (見合い結婚, arranged marriage)." "Renai-shousetsu （恋愛小説）" is "a love story" or "a romance novel." The title of the movie, "As Good As It Gets" was translated as "Renai-shousetuska (恋愛小説家, A Romance Novel Writer)."
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Immortal280
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DillyDally
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Yep, you can say that. But I do not know why they use "女”(onna) to refer to Aerith cuz it's kinda rude, you know.
If anyone watched Bleach, Ulquiorra called Orihime "女”(onna). So I guess this line is from Sephy's POV which also suits case of lifestream since it is about Sephy, right?
Immortal280
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Isnt it Sephy and Aeris?
DillyDally
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I'm still not sure, didn't Nomura or Nojima said that it was about Sephy.
I did see that Japanese said it was about Sephy and Aerith. But in terms of the sentence itself, it pretty much comes from Sephy. Cloud will never refer to Aerith as "onna".
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deari means "like a _____" doesn't it? I know that's what was used when it said Tifa is "like a mother, lover (no deari) and comrade (no deari, again)". So Aerith (I assume) is "like a friend and like a lover"?
DillyDally
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Noooo!
One Japanese said on the Tifa board that Cloud is a koibito to Aerith rather than vice versa.
ちょっと質問なんだけど、
＞エアリス視点でのかきかたなんだけど
＞クラウドは女の友人であり恋人であり、大切なものの象徴であり守るべき存在だった、とある。
っていうのはエアリスがクラウドにとって、ってこと？
This guy asks if it if from Aerith's POV.
ううん、文そのままだから
エアリスにとってクラウドが、って意味に受け取ったんだけども。
女はクラウドの、じゃなくて、クラウドは女の、だから。
This guy answers it is from Aerith's POV. (It could be biased since it's from a Tifa board, you know"
I still do not understand "onna". Isn't it rude to refer to Aerith as that?!!
Alessa Gillespie
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It is rather rude, and implies a certain amount of disrespect, yeah. :\ So I'm not sure why they're calling her "onna" as opposed to "Aerith".
Immortal280
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I gotta learn more japanese seriously 
im confused with these words now @_@
im confused with these words now @_@
DillyDally
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Ryushikaze
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Oh, if it's Aerith seeing herself as a Koibito to Cloud, then that's simply another instance of her in lala land before finding out reality.
Except as we all know, Materia Jesus is infallible. She would never lie to herself. Even when she does. And her opinion always overrules explicit statements of fact.
Yeah, I'm going to wait til we get a shot of the book.
Except as we all know, Materia Jesus is infallible. She would never lie to herself. Even when she does. And her opinion always overrules explicit statements of fact.
Yeah, I'm going to wait til we get a shot of the book.
DillyDally
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Agree. I'd better wait for mine.
The Japanese Clotis have got a big shock, so I guess NC probably has a huge chance to re-open.
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