SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Hellenic]

The developers underestimate the ltd I think. I believe they think that if they give aerith and zack a happy reunion that that will make aerith fans happy, They don't truly get that mamy clerith fans aren't aerith fans

They don't need to get that either to be honest. They are obviously trying to please people who do understand this game and not the crazies.

 

[thetriplerhyme]

They probably have a very different view on who they are trying to please here.

I don't think they consider crazy obsessed shipping fans as people to make happy here.

Hmm I have to agree with dev trying to please everyone ( including C/A) the fact that they created chapter 14 ( although it was pretty clear they also know that it will also produce a lot of obsessive fans and hence fuel LTD more. )

They tried to put most of the actions in non-verbal way that impossible for fans not to unsee but still inputting 'vagueness' and cutting it on part 3 sequel is fueling it more instead of being clear. ( SENA most of the time ) - also like to input Hamaguchi has a loads of input on Remake and Rebirth

It is pleasing everyone, pleases no one

- this i super agree they still try not to isolate C/A fans but its a lost cause in a long run because they will never be endorse as official couple. If you try to please everyone most likely ended up pleasing no one.

 

[Eerie]

Maybe that's the point they're trying to make

But I can assure you they know about the LTD. They know about everything in fact. There's real people out there getting paid to "watch the internet".

Not to mention Nomura getting death threats regularly because of crazy JP CA fans. No wonder the man has been like “IDC about Cloud’s love life”.

 

[nars305]

I'm pretty convinced it's an Aerith Zack reunion, that is the most glaring omission in the compilation.

This is the only thing I can think of too. If they say it’s something that will make fans happy…I can’t think of anything but that. It’s the least divisive thing any way lol.

 

[Yoru]

also like to input Hamaguchi has a loads of input on Remake and Rebirth

I'm sorry, but I really don't like what you're implying. If I've misunderstood, I apologize in advance.

These are adults with responsibilities. They don't care about their personal ship. They're there to portray the story Nojima has written. Cloud JP's voice actor (the only real Cloud, if you listen to Nomura) is a Tifa guy. Same for his motion actor. And yet they'll never refuse to play intimate moments with Aerith. They do what they're told.

Obviously the whole team wants to please the fans and give fanservice when the game allows it. But as we saw with Rebirth, even with all the fanservice in the world, the Cloud x Aerith relationship is as platonic as it gets.

So, no, there's no big internal conspiracy to push Aerith into a relationship with Cloud.

 

[Maidenofwar]

To LunarTarotGirl, and everyone, I'm sorry I can't give you any better answers or provide deep and enlightening insights I can be quite simple sometimes and simply enjoy things in the moment. The dream date I think was kind of bitter sweet because of the end of the world, the Zack factor, and Aerith's future looming, but I still enjoy it in the moment, I enjoyed Cloud holding his hand open for Aerith to take, that he seemed annoyed he didn't get to give the gift he picked, I enjoyed eating bad candy together, making a memory, Cloud getting excited at seeing a photographer, them making goofy poses and smiles when you switch between the options, the hug, etc

These might be little moments of fanservice and nothing more, while the overarching message is different, but I appreciate them. I don't think the devs or staff would be unhappy bringing moments of simple joy to people. I don't think they wanted people to have a bad time.

I now have over 134 hours on Rebirth, I am currently working on Nibelheim World Intel, I have completed World Intel everywhere else except one relic quest in Corel. I also still have most of the side quests to do, the Queen's blood stuff, most of Gold Saucer, Johnny, beat Chapters on Hard mode, etc. Absolutely massive game, it's amazing.

I recently completed the "Absence of a Sign" quest, I enjoyed it, I also enjoyed the flowers quest in the Grasslands. I have been making Aerith quests my priority currently because she is my main and I want to get her folio/manuscripts for her upgrades so I have been doing the ones where you get extra Telluric scripture on Hard mode as well. Otherwise I do some where I don't have a weapon skill yet like Bonds of Trust weapon for Yuffie or the Weaponsmith for Barret, etc. Well I'm having a lot of fun

Oh yeah I forgot to add, while exploring Nibel region my team is Cloud, Tifa, Aerith of course!

 

[Yoru]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782986228306202658

I came across these predictions. What do you think?

Personally, I see some interesting points, but also some that I hate and find really poor.

I really hope the dev team is convinced in their own vision and don't look too much on the internet lol.

 

[GamerSkull]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782986228306202658

I came across these predictions. What do you think?

Personally, I see some interesting points, but also some that I hate and find really poor.

I really hope the dev team is convinced in their own vision and don't look too much on the internet lol.

Considering the script for Part 3 is close to being done, I doubt they’ll make major tweaks anyway. Just smaller ones, depending on how development goes.

And whatever this new thing is, it’s already been decided what it’ll be. We just don’t know.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

I'm a little confused at this idea anyone would sabotage the game if they are staff that this fandom seems to have.

This whole idea that any developer would push their ship when I bet you they probably don't even ship anything is something this fandom seems to believe.

But I can bet you it's not true. If it was you wouldn't have all these CT and ZA moments everywhere while also having CA moments.

Because no one is shafting any one ship. It's not shippers making this game.

We are the shippers here.

But even if, let's say, they have a ship they like. They are professionals and there are contracts. I don't know where the fandom got the idea they actually could push their ideas if they aren't approved? They get fired if they do that. Plain and simple. That's just not something that can happen. They are hired to do the job.

Also no SENA isn't responsible for translations for this game they just push scripts into actors hands and oversee products. They do QA but that also needs approval from HQ. Translation department is SEJP. And those translators can't do much without permission and following chain of command either. And even if, let's pretend, they do make a change on their own script editors would edit their script to what the creators want in the end. Because the creators have to sign off on it in the end.

Because these things are group projects and you can't just do your own thing as a staff in such a company. Especially SE where once in FFXIV one translator didn't ask for permission to change a line and had to do a public apology on the forum then the change was patched right after.

They don't play around like this fandom might think they do. There is a lot that staff can't talk about or do without approval.

So I think people can rest assured as a group project they're going with what the creators think is best and we have seen their words time and time again.

Can they change their minds and try to give multiple endings or whatever else? It's possible yet very unlikely. But if they do that it's no conspiracy it would again be their decision. And if it's a please everyone scenario probably for money more than ships honestly.

I don't think these developers even ship nor care about ships the way we do honestly.

 

[Eerie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782986228306202658

I came across these predictions. What do you think?

Personally, I see some interesting points, but also some that I hate and find really poor.

I really hope the dev team is convinced in their own vision and don't look too much on the internet lol.

This page doesn’t exist

 

[Yoru]

This page doesn’t exist

Link should be working but here is the screen :

 

[Ryeleigh]

Link should be working but here is the screen :

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I don't know, kind of sounds like something made up by a shipper (and not a CT). Because where's Zack in this "both girls" ending, lol?

 

[SilverSisu]

I don't think these developers even ship nor care about ships the way we do honestly.

They don't. That's the meaning of love triangle. It's intentionally ambiguous, open ended and left for player to decide. Devs have been very straightforward with this over the years.

Devs are never going to push one love interest over the other.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

Those are just predictions. They would be made up from people's imagination right? Though I don't see much any of this ever happening personally.

 

[GamerSkull]

They don't. That's the meaning of love triangle. It's intentionally ambiguous, open ended and left for player to decide. Devs have been very straightforward with this over the years.

Devs are never going to push one love interest over the other.

You say this, but they definitely seem to be pushing CT in Rebirth.

There’s less ambiguity in general when it comes to Retrilogy tbh, not just with the LTD.

Plus, I keep coming back to ending the story without “unresolved feelings” like Kitase said. I think they’re expecting this to be their last large-scale foray back into the world of FF7 and so they want to end it more conclusively than it has in the past.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

They don't. That's the meaning of love triangle. It's intentionally ambiguous, open ended and left for player to decide. Devs have been very straightforward with this over the years.

Devs are never going to push one love interest over the other.

I see it as it was more open ended in 1997 but then they picked a lane. They will go with whatever the story shows regardless of their preferences or thoughts. If the main scenario is CT and ZA reunion in the end that's what they'll show no matter what. I don't think they're thinking too hard.

 

[Yoru]

I don't know, kind of sounds like something made up by a shipper (and not a CT). Because where's Zack in this "both girls" ending, lol?

It's just from some dude doing video essay on youtube like any other dudes.
And I see people pissed that the game is sticking to OG and want the third one ending differently. So I was just curious about the opinion here.

Personally I'm on the team simple Remake + Expanded lore + Compilation recollection

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

To LunarTarotGirl, and everyone, I'm sorry I can't give you any better answers or provide deep and enlightening insights I can be quite simple sometimes and simply enjoy things in the moment. The dream date I think was kind of bitter sweet because of the end of the world, the Zack factor, and Aerith's future looming, but I still enjoy it in the moment, I enjoyed Cloud holding his hand open for Aerith to take, that he seemed annoyed he didn't get to give the gift he picked, I enjoyed eating bad candy together, making a memory, Cloud getting excited at seeing a photographer, them making goofy poses and smiles when you switch between the options, the hug, etc

These might be little moments of fanservice and nothing more, while the overarching message is different, but I appreciate them. I don't think the devs or staff would be unhappy bringing moments of simple joy to people. I don't think they wanted people to have a bad time.

I now have over 134 hours on Rebirth, I am currently working on Nibelheim World Intel, I have completed World Intel everywhere else except one relic quest in Corel. I also still have most of the side quests to do, the Queen's blood stuff, most of Gold Saucer, Johnny, beat Chapters on Hard mode, etc. Absolutely massive game, it's amazing.

I recently completed the "Absence of a Sign" quest, I enjoyed it, I also enjoyed the flowers quest in the Grasslands. I have been making Aerith quests my priority currently because she is my main and I want to get her folio/manuscripts for her upgrades so I have been doing the ones where you get extra Telluric scripture on Hard mode as well. Otherwise I do some where I don't have a weapon skill yet like Bonds of Trust weapon for Yuffie or the Weaponsmith for Barret, etc. Well I'm having a lot of fun

Oh yeah I forgot to add, while exploring Nibel region my team is Cloud, Tifa, Aerith of course!

I think you have an amazing approach to enjoyment. And honestly it really is more simple than we make it. Creators make things so we can enjoy them. They're definitely not thinking as hard as we are about certain things. Nor they want to ruin anyone's experience. Like I think their main concern is fan enjoyment. Me though? I'm an overthinker and overanalyzer by default. I don't know how I feel about things by experiencing them I need to analyze and think about it then think about some more and discuss it with others to see what they think too. I always wonder why things are done certain ways which may come across as critical but it's mostly because I just want to understand things at the deepest level.

Though sometimes it is definitely back to just sit back and enjoy things like you do in the moment. And you're right even if fanservice fanservice still has purpose. It's purpose is to make us smile. I will try to think less and enjoy more as I finish everything in this game. I do quite enjoy it. ^^

 

[SilverSisu]

I see it as at was open ended in 1997 but then they picked a lane. They will go with whatever the story shows regardless of their preferences or thoughts. If the main scenario is CT and ZA reunion in the end that's what they'll show no matter what. I don't think they're thinking too hard.

Nah. They haven't picked a lane. The only thing that has changed is that we have now two love triangles.

1. Cloud, Aerith, Tifa
2. Cloud, Aerith, Zack

And maybe there will be a third one. If you have seen Yuffie's gold saucer date she openly admits that she had a huge crush on Zack and wishes to meet him again.

I don't think it will happen but knowing SE with their history of crafting love triangles that wouldn't surprise me. To be honest if that were to happen it would be pretty creepy due to their age difference.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

Nah. They haven't picked a lane. The only thing that has changed is that we have now two love triangles.

1. Cloud, Aerith, Tifa
2. Cloud, Aerith, Zack

And maybe there will be a third one. If you have seen Yuffie's gold saucer date she openly admits that she had a huge crush on Zack and wishes to meet him again.

I don't think it will happen but knowing SE with their history of crafting love triangles that wouldn't surprise me. To be honest if that were to happen it would be pretty creepy due to their age difference.

I don't know I'm a CA and I didn't see the Cloud Aerith Zack love triangle as anything but bait to convince me to buy part three. While I found a bunch of CT stuff in parts it wasn't in OG. And ZA stuff too in the background. so I do think that CAZ triangle is just bait personally.

We will see in Pt3 but my thoughts are CT and ZA ending. I don't except more CA stuff beyond story stuff from this point...and I don't want to get my hopes up too high in the meantime on what they do with Aerith.

Edit:What I will agree is I don't think they're pushing any one ship over eachother. All get ships have fanservice. But story wise we just get story, and I think they're ending with CT and ZA together as part of that story.

Edit: For clarification

 

[GamerSkull]

Nah. They haven't picked a lane. The only thing that has changed is that we have now two love triangles.

1. Cloud, Aerith, Tifa
2. Cloud, Aerith, Zack

And maybe there will be a third one. If you have seen Yuffie's gold saucer date she openly admits that she had a huge crush on Zack and wishes to meet him again.

I don't think it will happen but knowing SE with their history of crafting love triangles that wouldn't surprise me. To be honest if that were to happen it would be pretty creepy due to their age difference.

I’m not sure how you can even see Yuffie’s crush on Zack as a thing they’re legimitately trying to push but whatever. It’s just meant to be a cute story.

However, I do disagree with some of what you said. I respect your stance though.

Even if the gondola dates are fanservice, it was a deliberate choice to give Tifa a kiss and not Aerith. If they truly did not matter, why not just give both a kiss? It clearly seems like they are pushing a specific ship, and while they don’t intend for it to affect the story (for now), they’re ultimately leaning in a specific direction.

I definitely think it would be narratively unfulfilling to not have a payoff that ends conclusively now.

 

[Stiggie]

They don't. That's the meaning of love triangle. It's intentionally ambiguous, open ended and left for player to decide. Devs have been very straightforward with this over the years.

Devs are never going to push one love interest over the other.

If they were straightforward about this then we'd at least have one quote where they explain the ambiguity and explain what is and is not up for personal interpretation. But they don't, instead they consistently talk about personal interpretations in a more generalized sense while also saying they have their own interpretations for everything and that some people interpret stuff incorrectly.

It they actually wanted to be "straightforward" then they'd say something like:

"we intentionally don't put Cloud in overt non-optional romantic scenes because Tifa and Aerith are both equal love interests, so we want the player to decide if Cloud and Tifa are just friends, or if their story is romantic, and we want the player to decide whether Aerith likes Cloud or is just projecting her feelings for Zack onto someone who she really shares more of a brotherly or friendly bond with. These are essentially two routes where the only thing that changes are the emotions, but they are both equally canonical, the interpretation that Cloud ends up with Tifa, or Aerith, or even with neither is all equally canonical and we don't have any particular outcome in mind while writing, we write it so that all these things are equally in the cards as it were."

But we never have those statements, instead we have vague statements and rather than these two emotional routes being explicitly addressed both in game and out, they never are. What's more Tifa is ALWAYS treated explicitly romantic in the game, and Aerith doesn't get anything explicitly romantic, even in optional scenes, which is kinda weird if "anything goes". If Aerith is a valid route, then why not give her a kiss in her optional scene? If it's possible that Tifa isn't romantic then why is the non-optional part of the game filled with explicitly romantic stuff?

 

[SilverSisu]

I don't know I'm a CA and I didn't see the Cloud Aerith Zack love triangle as anything but bait to convince me to buy part three. While I got a bunch of CT stuff pushed at me so I do think that CAZ triangle is just bait personally.

We will see in Pt3 but my thoughts are CT and ZA ending. I don't want to get my hopes up too high in the meantime.

Funny. I saw Rebirth pushing Cloud/Aerith and neglecting Tifa and Zack.

As a Zack fan i wasn't thrilled but i have my hopes that my boy gets the ending he deserves.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yes indeed. When game related stupidity rears it's ugly head, don't turn from the game, turn away from the stupid. And maybe call over your shoulder "can't hear you, enjoying the actual plot!" if you feel saucy.

Set the stupid on fire, if at all possible. It will keep you warm and is infinitely renewable, I hear.

T'would have been tragic to leave it out in the cold.

That's why I have it a home.

Johnnies abide, it's what they do. Whether they're best friend is a literal plank of wood, or they're stuck with a toilet humor running gag, Johnny abides.

Ed, Edd, and Eddie but the only different is fully 3D Johnny from FF7 replaces their Johnny.

This reference is bringing me back to the Sonic/Mega Man crossover. Poor Quick Man.

I mean in general. The man's weakness is "my own body is tearing me apart because I cannot move"

Helped along by yours truly voice acting every line of dialogue. The sight/sound of a tall bearded man earnestly voicing Polly Geist tends to slay even when everyone is sober.

I can imagine.

Nah I remember why I thought this. It was way back, with me mistakenly thinking you disliked my comments because you don't engage in smilies, or Thanks/Likes. We cleared it up with simple communication and that was that.

It's just my way.

I wanna say yes. How long ago was that? I might be mixing memories of a different Discworld project but it's certainly familiar.

It wasn't a discworld project, just a 48 hour film about a guy who works at routing people to the afterlife they qualify for, and he gets himself as an assignment. I played his boss, Death.

Funny thing, I was just on a Nelson era MST3K binge like two days ago. Nice to know he's still finding new ways to riff.

Have you seen any of the recent Rifftrax lives?

That works.

Better than one might initially expect.

Oh I know, I've seen what comes after X's time.

As deep as Cloud under the Highwind, one might say.

Ba dum tish.

I was regularly excused from classroom participation for similar reasons. Not just when reading fiction either. Especially in history I tended to be multiple chapters ahead of the class, on account of it being the same damn material as last year 95% of the time.

That sounds infuriating. Repeating history even though you learned it.

Having permission to nap in class was nice, but they still made me take the tests.

I had a similar arrangement once, for a programming class.

We need to add kittens twining around barstools, napping on the Shera's control console, batting at the handlebars of Fenrir, etc to the theoretical episode bumpers for that slice of life show.

Oh yes, Fluffy's children will be everywhere.

No lie, but Sabat always comes to mind first for how much it affected his performance over the years. Vegeta now sounds like Piccolo then, for instance.

It almost happened to the first lady who voiced Excel in the Excel saga dub. She took like a year off to let her voice recover.

Ooo it happened again. Hi kitty!

She managed to minimize every window and I lost my place and train of thought.

Well if it's all the same to y'all, I vote we bypass this one and just fight the Balor demon.

I mean if you want to take the easy way out, I won't blame you.

Both work fine, I just miss hearing the wark itself. The REgames just use a louder kweh.

Fair.

Make the donuts?

Nah, another moment where I got interrupted and forgot to complete a thought. I was saying "That does seem to be how the new gen pinkers are treating things."

It wouldn't surprise me to learn this is the main basis for their bond. Common ground goes a long way and all.

Maaya be late for a very important date.

With Kenichi.

It's almost like viewing the story as a whole gives a different picture than cherry picking tidbits to cling to, right? Ryu you know what it's like to be branded a heretic by CAltists, am I on the right track? It's been a minute since someone pointed at me and screamed "HERESY!". I kinda miss it.

I think technically I'm an infidel rather than a heretic, but yeah, you're doing it right.

Shippers are the most toxic individuals in this fandom. The devs have stated that players decide their canon.

I obviously prefer Zack/Aerith pairing but i'm not going to raise a holy hell if someone likes Cloud/Aerith pairing. That's how the game is intended to be. Ambiguous, vague and open ended.

I obviously fundamentally disagree. Could you provide a source for the idea that "The player decides who Cloud loves" because I have not come across anything like that. If anything, what I've seen is them discussing about the affection system possibly detracting from the actual narrative and wanting each possible outcome to be true to Cloud's character.
Furthermore the affection values themselves are consistently referred to as the companion's feelings towards Cloud, not his feelings towards them.

i really don't see a point for taking any part into that debate because this is something that is influenced by player's actions. The player decides the canon romance. The end.

That's not how "canon" works.

You do know that the outcome of under the Highwind is affected by player's choices, right?

High affinity = Tifa is visibly embarrassed because she had a spicy moment with Cloud and the others saw it.

"Were you watching?"


Low affinity = Tifa is pissed because others were spying and eavesdropping them.

"Were you listening?"

Using under the highwind is like using Rebirth GS date. Irrelevant. It is player's choices that creates these scenes. They are not tied into the story as "there is only one canon" kind of way.

SE has always wanted to give all the power to the player and never pushes one love interest over the other. Players decide their canon.

That's why the ending of AC was intentionally left ambiguous and vague. SE wants viewers to have their own interpretations.

But regardless of whether or not you get the high or low version, Cloud and Tifa confirm their mutual feelings of romance that night. After that they start living together, they start a family together. Cloud is so happy living with Tifa that he begins feeling guilty about it. Nojima and Nomura have both said Cloud goes back where he belongs at the end of AC/C. The ending isn't open ended. They are raising a child together, a child that considers them his parents (and whose biological parents were made very deliberate visual mirrors of Cloud and Tifa).

Also this is sort of like saying "You decide the canon ending of FF10-2" because getting one ending as opposed to another is down to player input during the game.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

Funny. I saw Rebirth pushing Cloud/Aerith and neglecting Tifa and Zack.

As a Zack fan i wasn't thrilled but i have my hopes that my boy gets the ending he deserves.

Funny because I'm actually pretty upset at how Rebirth handled CA. I like the moments we got but honestly it feels like it was utilized as a stepping zone for ZA in many ways. We will see however. Zack will be in Pt3 that I'm sure.