LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Cat Rage Room]

Oh and I don't believe Tifa's a virgin because she is over the age of 18, attractive, and lived a pretty functional life during those years when she would be interested in having sex. I mean it's not like I have SOLID EVIDENCE, this is just my own inference based on the way that our world works.

Given Tifa's character and circumstance I'd argue the exact opposite.

 

[Celes Chere]

Just wanted to say

But I should sleep too, I love you all (esp. Audi and Tiff). Night!

I love you too, my sweets. ^^

 

[crack]

I love you too, my sweets. ^^

Just because you say it doesn't make it canon.

I mean, those feelings could mean anything.

Sorry to burst your plethora.

Given Tifa's character and circumstance I'd argue the exact opposite.

Agreed.

 

[Isabella]

So Tifa's the type to have past sexual relationships but not the type to have sex with a guy she's long had a torch for on possibly her last night? Doesn't really compute for me.

As for Cloud, maybe I'm stereotyping young men here but I can't imagine any of them turning down sex in this specific set of circumstances. Shyness be damned.

 

[Winter]

Also I want to know how Tifa's virginity is relevant?

Oh, I made a comment like 20 pages ago and Ryu was curious as to why I thought that. I was just answering old questions, don't mind me.

So Tifa's the type to have past sexual relationships but not the type to have sex with a guy she's long had a torch for on possibly her last night? Doesn't really compute for me.

Not what I meant at all. D: Besides, having "past sexual relationships" makes it sound like it was a bad thing, which it probably wouldn't have been (I'm sure there's been other boys in her life) NOT THAT THIS IS EVEN RELEVANT TO ANYTHING

TIFA'S VIRGINITY WAS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION GUYS

Also, I think this would make an interesting side story/doujinshi (Tifa's past relationships outside of Cloud) if it were done in a classy, tasteful way and not the '3 pages plot, 27 pages porn' doujin way.

I agree! I always feel like we don't see enough of Tifa's character outside of her relationship with Cloud. :c

Given Tifa's character and circumstance I'd argue the exact opposite.

Trying to get revenge on the government doesn't rule out having time for casual relationships.

no seriously guys you act like I'm insulting Tifa by insinuating she probably had sex with someone before Cloud, which I'm not.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Not what I meant at all. D: Besides, having "past sexual relationships" makes it sound like it was a bad thing, which it probably wouldn't have been (I'm sure there's been other boys in her life) NOT THAT THIS IS EVEN RELEVANT TO ANYTHING

I don't...really think so, considering Tifa's nature and circumstances.

 

[Celes Chere]

Just because you say it doesn't make it canon.

I mean, those feelings could mean anything.

Sorry to burst your plethora.

Agreed.

I hope my feelings for Nin aren't one sided. . . I mean, we shared a night of passion together. Maybe she only likes me FOR MY BOOBS. DX

 

[Cat Rage Room]

HEY DUDES

Since this is the local forum hangout spot, I figured I'd namedrop this topic here.

http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3762

 

[Dashell]

I don't know why you think we'll fall for that again

 

[Cat Rage Room]

No, seriously, click on it, it's not the LTD hating thread.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Oh, I made a comment like 20 pages ago and Ryu was curious as to why I thought that. I was just answering old questions, don't mind me.

Not what I meant at all. D: Besides, having "past sexual relationships" makes it sound like it was a bad thing, which it probably wouldn't have been (I'm sure there's been other boys in her life) NOT THAT THIS IS EVEN RELEVANT TO ANYTHING

I don't think Bella was trying to imply it was a bad thing, but she does sort of have a point with the 'sexually active but not having sex with the guy she's head over heels for' not fitting all that logically.
And with most guys of Cloud's age not giving a damn about the outside.

TIFA'S VIRGINITY WAS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION GUYS

It is. But it's also an INTERESTING conversation, hence people seizing upon it.

I agree! I always feel like we don't see enough of Tifa's character outside of her relationship with Cloud. :c

True, but the same can be said of most other characters.

Trying to get revenge on the government doesn't rule out having time for casual relationships.

But does it fit her personality?

no seriously guys you act like I'm insulting Tifa by insinuating she probably had sex with someone before Cloud, which I'm not.

I don't think people think you're insulting her, you're just proposing a timeline that doesn't really make much sense to them.

 

[Madame Mayor]

Not what I meant at all. D: Besides, having "past sexual relationships" makes it sound like it was a bad thing, which it probably wouldn't have been (I'm sure there's been other boys in her life) NOT THAT THIS IS EVEN RELEVANT TO ANYTHING

TIFA'S VIRGINITY WAS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION GUYS

I don't think the virginity thing is the issue, but it's the fact that when it came to Tifa's love-life, she was focused on Cloud. Sure it's not completely out of the question that she could have put those feelings on hold and dated someone else casually, however, given what we know about her and her feelings for Cloud, I just don't see it.

Also, people say sex because it's merely the cliche. It could have been any number of things, I'm sure most people here know that when you go to have an intimate evening it's not so cut and dry as to "you have sex, you cuddle, you sleep". Everyone's different in what they like and how they like it and for how long, etc. However, specifics aren't important but whatever they did it was probably sex or something similar to justify the classic fade to black.

 

[Ryushikaze]

No, seriously, click on it, it's not the LTD hating thread.

I checked. It's not the hate thread. And has a point.

 

[null]

I agree! I always feel like we don't see enough of Tifa's character outside of her relationship with Cloud. :c

I could have used your help in the other thread.

Totally agree. I want more of the Tifa that plays video games and calls Barret a retard. Not to mention that she could probably hold up well enough as a main protagonist.

 

[Madame Mayor]

BTW, reposted from the censorship forum, in response to Quex's comments there.



Who did, Quex? Who said this? Who didn't say 'Well it didn't matter'



You DO realize the 'symbol' argument was just made in response to two absurd clerith arguments right? That was me saying 'If you want to play absurd, then let us play that game'
Similarly, the 'It says past tense' was AGAIN only a response to it being said 'Well it says he IS so...'
And the entire goddamn OTWTAS books are only the goddamn perspective of the people they focus on. That still hasn't changed. So, yes, it really doesn't matter. Why? Because it's one person's perspective in universe, and not someone who speaks for the person that matters.



No. It didn't. It didn't even get the goddamn pants down. Do you know what Aerith using Koibito did to the C/T side? Gave us NOISE. It changed NO arguments, adjusted NO interpretations of Cloud's feelings. ALL it gave us was more bull to wade through.
And before ANYONE says it, WE DID NOT FLIP FLOP ON IT. The fact of the matter is we were pointing out 'beloved' long before COL. Zee even joked about such at CxA back in the day.

Hell, Koibito wasn't even the 'we win' button. It was the sprinkles. The sprikles on the quote icing. The quote icing on the evidence cake. With the Canon ice cream filling.
This last quote? It's cherries alongside the sprinkles.
Koibito HAS NEVER BEEN the sole basis of the C/T argument. It is the capstone, not the cornerstone, to the argument.
Once again, I make a copy elsewhere, just in case.

Quoting this and wanted to add something.

Que, you always go on about how you haven't been in this debate for very long. Well, this is one of those situations where you need to understand that's affecting your judgement on this matter.

We shorten the argument, because the clerii weren't listening anyways. We shorten a lot of arguments that are used constantly, because we know everyone's heard them before. You just weren't around when we were using the long version.

Do you HONESTLY believe that the translators here and the people who used dictionaries and quoted them to the Clerii all missed the 'beloved' meaning, or that they ignored it? Because frankly, it wouldn't change Tifa's quote all that much.

The only reason why it's being argued or translated as 'not-lover, but beloved' is because, sorry, there's no evidence they were lovers. There's no evidence Cloud was ever romantically attracted to her let alone they were dating or a couple.

 

[Dashell]

I never said you guys did NOT say it meant beloved. My point was that if the koibito for Tifa wasn't a big deal, why were some people uhoing over it being used in CoLW?

But I think it's not so much people uhoing over it being used as CoLW as people uhoing the shitstorm that was about to follow.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I never said you guys did NOT say it meant beloved. My point was that if the koibito for Tifa wasn't a big deal, why were some people uhoing over it being used in CoLW?

But I think it's not so much people uhoing over it being used as CoLW as people uhoing the shitstorm that was about to follow.

Koibito for Tifa in RF wasn't 'a big deal' but the pink street regulars made it out to be as if it were, like it were the absolute only thing we had, because they know, deep down, that while it's not all that important overall, it is a quite damning capstone. Hence the zeal at which 'One who loves' and shit was churned out, all until it got attached to Aerith. The 'uh oh' was definitely about their reaction, because we knew they'd seize on it, whatever it was, and use it pro-Aerith while also trying to dismiss the RF quote. And that is exactly what happened.

Hell, that's exactly what's happened again. I'm sure you've seen all the explanations about how Cloud and Tifa confirming feelings on the 'romantic love' page means absolutely anything other than the obvious and how Aerith's date must mean SOMETHING even though the text says 'Oh, and you can get different people to come around if you act differently' and the date actually detailing the dates also says you can get any of the four and of Aerith's in particular only says 'Yeah, she tells him of her feelings' and that's it.

What we 'fear' Quex, isn't being proven wrong. It's about being driven deaf by bullshit.

 

[Isabella]

But I think it's not so much people uhoing over it being used as CoLW as people uhoing the shitstorm that was about to follow.

This, in a nutshell.

When you asked if koibito was like this and I said "no, there were more people back then," what I meant was there were more active cleriths shitting themselves back then then there are now. That particular ship was just more active then than now.

I don't recall any clotis claiming victory with koibito. Only that it was a powerful piece of evidence. Powerful, but still only one piece.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Considering the title of the thread, can no one find some lesbian fanart involving jello wrestling? Cause that'd be cool.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

The only people who made a big deal out fo koibito were the Clerii, Q. They were the ones who ventured deep into the land of the mythical japanese creature to bring us the truth about this language and culture that mere Westerners like us could never comprehend.

I remember the rest of us reacted to the bullshit because...well, bullshit is smelly. I have a low tolerance for it.

 

[Dashell]

When you asked if koibito was like this and I said "no, there were more people back then," what I meant was there were more active cleriths shitting themselves back then then there are now. That particular ship was just more active then than now.

Oh... I thought you meant victory and stuff... wow that changes my perspective on the whole thing >_<

Sorry.

 

[Shadowfox]

Not to mention that she could probably hold up well enough as a main protagonist.

There is a fan-made beat 'em up, action game type thing called AVALANCHE that stars Tifa as the main character -- http://www.telefragged.com/thefatal/ava/

I've tried the game a couple of months back though I didn't get very far because I suck at fighting games.

 

[Dashell]

Also, please if ANYONE EVER thinks I say something bad about them on CxA please let me know. I mean I know I've said stuff about arguments I don't like but I say the same stuff here so you guys can confront me on it. So yeah if I ever step over a line or something, let me know. I'm usually very careful not to.

 

[Vendel]

So after this whole LTD mess has been put to bed Aerith gets more votes? You silly, silly people.


Also DO YOU PEOPLE HONESTLY THINK THAT SE WOULD 'SOLVE' THE LTD ON A SINGLE PAGE IN A BOOK THAT IS ABOUT THE ENTIRE SERIES?

This is obviously the single most important piece of information SE has been holding on to.

 

[Dashell]

Yes, yes I do