LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Dashell]

Fair enough

 

[Isabella]

No they say it means romance but that the High Affection version isn't canon

I think that page made it canon, don't you? They don't say it only applies if you get the scene. They say, this is what happened. Period.

 

[Dashell]

I agree, but ... I just don't think you can convince someone who's positive that they've been keeping it ambiguous for so long.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

The hypocrisy is laughable. The HA version isn't canon, but Aerith's date is--because it's the default...? (Which is weird, because I've NEVER gotten Aerith)... The caption never mentions Aerith by name, but it's her picture, so Cloud must love her. It mentions and shows Tifa by name, but never specifies the 'feelings' so it's not romantic... Cloud and Tifa can't be a couple because they never hug/kiss/anything romantic...Okay, they had sex, but that doesn't mean they're in love...

I mean... really?!?

 

[Althea]

Hmm the high affection towards Tifa is the canon storyline, makes perfect sense. Especially, in light of all the evidence in the compilation and the actual game itself. I think it's undeniable even if you get high affection for Aerith for it to be a CxT outcome, cause the lifestream scene is a definitive moment for Cloud and Tifa, and pretty much cancels anything else..

Question though, as I have never gotten the Aerith high affection. If you show high affection to Tifa throughout but also are kind to Aerith leading to the date with Aerith which scene does it revert to under the highwind (Just out of curiousity-not suggesting anything here xD).

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Hmm the high affection towards Tifa is the canon storyline, makes perfect sense. Especially, in light of all the evidence in the compilation and the actual game itself. I think it's undeniable even if you get high affection for Aerith for it to be a CxT outcome, cause the lifestream scene is a definitive moment for Cloud and Tifa, and pretty much cancels anything else..

Question though, as I have never gotten the Aerith high affection. If you show high affection to Tifa throughout but also are kind to Aerith leading to the date with Aerith which scene does it revert to under the highwind (Just out of curiousity-not suggesting anything here xD).

I believe if you show affection to both, you still get the HA version. A few people have affirmed this.

 

[Loxetta]

The Highwind scene isn't influenced at all by Aerith's affection values, only Tifa. So you can treat Aerith like a queen and can still get the HA scene if you don't treat Tifa like dirt.

 

[Dashell]

The caption never mentions Aerith by name, but it's her picture, so Cloud must love her. It mentions and shows Tifa by name, but never specifies the 'feelings' so it's not romantic...

Once again they acknowledge that the feelings ARE romantic, they just do not agree that the High Affection scene is canon.

 

[Isabella]

I agree, but ... I just don't think you can convince someone who's positive that they've been keeping it ambiguous for so long.

I can't see what's ambiguous about the Reunion Files. They speak about them rather bluntly as a couple in crisis, even calling Tifa a koibito. They only see ambiguity because they twist all those quotes.

Like Vendel, I'm puzzled why there's no soul searching. Don't they get tired of not taking any quote or scan at face value, and instead having to put their heads together to find an alternate meaning?

Can they honestly not see that they're doing that? Every single time?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

The hypocrisy is laughable. The HA version isn't canon, but Aerith's date is--because it's the default...? (Which is weird, because I've NEVER gotten Aerith)... The caption never mentions Aerith by name, but it's her picture, so Cloud must love her. It mentions and shows Tifa by name, but never specifies the 'feelings' so it's not romantic... Cloud and Tifa can't be a couple because they never hug/kiss/anything romantic...Okay, they had sex, but that doesn't mean they're in love...

I mean... really?!?

Hypocrisy doesn't matter. Double standards don't matter. What matters is that Aerith wins and Tifa loses.

 

[Dashell]

I can't see what's ambiguous about the Reunion Files. They speak about them rather bluntly as a couple in crisis, even calling Tifa a koibito. They only see ambiguity because they twist all those quotes.

Like Vendel, I'm puzzled why there's no soul searching. Don't they get tired of not taking any quote or scan at face value, and instead having to put their heads together to find an alternate meaning?

Can they honestly not see that they're doing that? Every single time?

It's cause of that quote that Nomura said ages ago about not knowing if CxT became a couple after FFVII. And Im always seeing the all knowing relationship charts get tossed around despite them apparently KNOWING that Lulu and Wakka are said to be Childhood Friends on theirs.

 

[Celes Chere]

Lol @ Alex.
"We Cleriths."

I answered his post cause I couldn't resist not to

What you said there described how I felt also, perfectly. There are quite a few Cleriths I've seen that are questioning their beliefs on Clerith being canon now. It's pretty retarded to speak for a group of people, especially ones this large. At least say "most of us" or "some" etc. <='/

 

[Dashell]

We the Cleriths of CxA Forums, in Order to form a more perfect pairing, establish quote twisting, insure double standards, provide for the common defence, promote that Tifa is a whore, and secure the Blessings of Aerith to ourselves and our Posting, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Cleriths of CxA forums.

 

[Isabella]

Maybe he's referring to the Senior Cleriths, the Cetra High Council? He definitely perceives himself to be a member of some heirarchy, whatever it happens to be called.

 

[Althea]

What I find difficult about the Clerith argument is the symbolic colour/fish interpretation argument, as I dont see how that makes sense really. Honestly, it seems like it was a desperate attempt to validate a perspective...I just don't see Nomura or Nojima thinking that specifically...Further to this, I think you can find meaning in anything if you look hard enough.

 

[shenron118]

Further to this, I think you can find meaning in anything if you look hard enough.

Jesus in Purgatory, anyone?

 

[Fighter]

What I find difficult about the Clerith argument is the symbolic colour/fish interpretation argument, as I dont see how that makes sense really. Honestly, it seems like it was a desperate attempt to validate a perspective...I just don't see Nomura or Nojima thinking that specifically...Further to this, I think you can find meaning in anything if you look hard enough.

They very much do look hard enough. Rain, parasols, ribbons, lens flares, etc.

 

[Strangelove]

I fell for it. I was younger and all about the cliche tail of the mysterious girl, last of her kind, healer, connection to plants, wears pink and is uber girly, being the love the the hero and needing to be rescued. I used to eat stuff like that up for dinner.

I knew Aerith died before I first played the game. The only disappointment I remember feeling was that the game hadn't been romantic enough for my tastes. I wonder why?

This has nothing to do with this subject, but I just watched Fargo and now hear your posts in that accent

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

So, the "Hitler in the bunker" video is uploaded to YouTube and processing right now.

Everybody be sure to thank Celes for handling the subbing aspect of things. Windows Movie Maker sucks for that.

She'll be posting the link when it finishes, as I need to get to work.

Hypocrisy doesn't matter. Double standards don't matter. What matters is that Aerith wins and Tifa loses.

Which is ironic given how much MotA talked about having a "winning and losing" attitude makes one the loser.

I somehow managed to forget about how some games have different endings, and how even so, only one is the ~true~ ending. How about FFX-2 (since it's another FF with Nomura in charge)?

Nomura wasn't in charge of X-2. That would be Motomu Toriyama, and, to a somewhat lesser extent, Nojima and Watanabe.

Likewise, Kitase was in charge of FFVII. Nomura was important (character designer, battle director, made suggestions that greatly influenced the story -- Aerith's death among them), but not the lead designer.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Wait, nevermind. It's processed already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMoYIF0oJmg

 

[Celes Chere]

You're amazing, Tres! Absolutely hilarious, imo. C:

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Same to you. The pink text was your idea, after all.

 

[Isabella]

You need to get to work? Your hours are even shittier than mine are!

Edit: OMG, that was awesome!

 

[Dashell]

OMFG
"Nojima did call Tifa's line risqué"
"Of course! She's a filthy fucking tramp!" XD

"They were supposed to be united forever by the ribbon Zack bought her"


I LOVE YOU TRES

 

[Celes Chere]

Same to you. The pink text was your idea, after all.

I thought it was a nice touch. x'D