LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Vendel]

Ha ha, I make-a the joke, and the little white boy doesn't catch it, ya? He so silly, I slap-a him upside the head, ya? Teach-a him not to be-a so stupid.

Don't you have some bad poetry to write about your tortured soul or something?

 

[Sunstrider]

Yeah, almost as creepy as swinging around a dead guy's sword.

Not to mention wearing his clothes.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

And banging his girlfriend.

Yar, I went thar.

 

[Raquelborn]

Not to mention wearing his clothes.

Actually, Zack retrieved those clothes from somewhere in the Shinra Mansion while they were on the run from the laboratory. Zack dies in his own clothes.

Also, I don't see what's so creepy about using a sword that the previous owner gave to you and even asked you to honor it etc.

 

[Sunstrider]

And stealing his trademark crash through the ceiling move to meet chicks.

Actually, Zack retrieved those clothes from somewhere in the Shinra Mansion while they were on the run from the laboratory. Zack dies in his own clothes.

...it was a joke?

 

[Makoeyes987]

I thought jokes had to be funny...

 

[Sunstrider]

Not all the time. Look at Carlos Mencia.

 

[Makoeyes987]

ZING!​

 

[Celes Chere]

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_A...#entry12389505

WOAH they changed the Forum layout? It looks really pretty. : ) Still too pink, but I think it's so cute. *O* And Suigetsu has a cuuute signature. *aherm*

That's actually all I have to say. XD

 

[Ryushikaze]

Also, I don't see what's so creepy about using a sword that the previous owner gave to you and even asked you to honor it etc.

Using a bequeathed gift is definitely different than what is essentially looting the body for a momento.

 

[Loxetta]

Using a bequeathed gift is definitely different than what is essentially looting the body for a momento.

I don't think it's looting the body if the ribbon fell off while she was dying. And her hair wasn't tied when Cloud laid her to rest in the lake, in neither the OG or in AC/C. Meaning the ribbon went somewhere Might not be the same ribbon Marlene is wearing, but Aerith wasn't buried with it at any rate.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I don't think it's looting the body if the ribbon fell off while she was dying. And her hair wasn't tied when Cloud laid her to rest in the lake, in neither the OG or in AC/C. Meaning the ribbon went somewhere Might not be the same ribbon Marlene is wearing, but Aerith wasn't buried with it at any rate.

Literally, no, but it's the same basic thing, much as if you take a helmet from a fallen soldier even if it fell off as he died.

Also, there is the distinction between 'looting a body' and 'grave robbing,' before we get into that.

Also, while we're on the discussion of word phrases and semantics, TV Tropes Bataan death march led me to the 'You keep using that word' page, wherein I was reminded of an interesting distinction on what is technically the proper use of the word 'Jealous.'

You Keep Using That Word]
Jealousy is actually a defensive emotion that results from the insecurity that something already in your possession is about to be taken away. Most people today simply use it as a synonym of envy, which is desiring something you don't have.
Which is why the cardinal sin (you know, what the homunculi are named after) is called Envy, not Jealousy. And here you thought it was because it sounds more posh. However, taken out of its initial concept, it can be twisted to have the same meaning as jealousy or the meaning of either, depending on the circumstances.
We do still use "jealous" in its original meaning when talking about relationships. A jealous lover isn't someone who wants somebody who's "taken," but someone who's possessive of their current partner and paranoid about losing him/her.
The phrase "regard with jealousy" is still in common use, meaning that you act overly protective of your possessions.

So, when Tifa is Jealous, it means Cloud is hers already.
Oops, no chance for Aerith.

And yes, I'm taking the piss here. My point? Overly semantic fuckery is not a good thing.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Using a bequeathed gift is definitely different than what is essentially looting the body for a momento.

I don't think so, really. It can say a lot about what the person taking the item thought of the person who wore it.

For instance, one of my favorite moments in "The Fellowship of the Ring" film is when Strider strapped Boromir's bracers to his own arms after laying him to rest.

 

[Loxetta]

I don't think so, really. It can say a lot about what the person taking the item thought of the person who wore it.

For instance, one of my favorite moments in "The Fellowship of the Ring" film is when Strider strapped Boromir's bracers to his own arms after laying him to rest.

Or like how my aunt wears her late husband's favorite necklace around her neck. She technically 'looted the body' for it, but it's not creepy or anything. It's a personal momento of someone she cared for and wants a symbolic tie to. Nothing disrespectful or wrong about it.

Personally, I think Aerith would be pretty pleased that Marlene has her ribbon (if it's the same ribbon -- I'd like to think it is, but I don't know if it's official). She was quite fond of Marlene, after all.

 

[Edley]

Not all the time. Look at Carlos Mencia.

 

[Neo Bahamut]

Long article. Glancing at it--again, completely off topic--I'd have to say that the Aerith date, not the Tifa one, is probably canon. Not for any "true love" reason. The game does hammer home the point that the 2 are highly compatible, but for obvious reasons, it doesn't really matter. But what I mean is that not only was there a lot of flirting from Aerith & it was probably returned (the love stat thingies are tailored to fit Aerith the easiest), it better sets up the stabbing moment the more attached the characters--especially Cloud--are to her.

 

[Strangelove]

Carlos Mencia

Spoiler

That's the only Carlos Mencia thing I've ever seen

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I often wonder if Aerith gets the affection rating stat advantage because that's what should be considered the "canon" date or because you have several opportunities before Aerith even gets recruited to increase Cloud's affection rating with Tifa -- as well as Barret, of course.

Despite what one would expect, purchasing the flower from Aerith at the beginning doesn't increase Aerith's stat at all, and the flower, of course, is used to either increase Tifa or Barret's stat.

Many more opportunities occur between there and the end of the Reactor 5 mission to increase those two characters' stats, often with you having no choice but to increase one or the other.

Though Aerith's stat begins at 50 while Tifa's begins at 30, you can easily have Tifa's stat at 54 points by the time Aerith is recruited -- and that's without even necessarily going out of your way to do it.

... it better sets up the stabbing moment the more attached the characters--especially Cloud--are to her.

While I don't disagree, the affection ratings indicate the other four characters' level of affection toward Cloud rather than the other way around.

It might be better put that her death is set up more effectively the more attached the player is to her by that point.

 

[Winter]

Not to mention wearing his clothes.

Actually, Zack retrieved those clothes from somewhere in the Shinra Mansion while they were on the run from the laboratory. Zack dies in his own clothes.

...it was a joke?

.........

The love triangle thread, where your sense of humor goes to die.

 

[Tennyo]

lol

 

[Strangelove]

I think everyone is losing sight of the issue here.

And that is that we have the chatlogs.

 

[Raquelborn]

...it was a joke?

Oh right. I simply didn't find it funny so I assumed you were being serious. My mistake.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

The love triangle thread, where your sense of humor goes to die.

Dunno what you talkin about. In my experience, LT threads are hilarious

 

[Ryushikaze]

I think everyone is losing sight of the issue here.

And that is that we have the chatlogs.

Natually, the REAL caption here is 'Marlene, why don't you take a seat right over there.'


Because SHE'S the molester in this situation. Did you see what she did to Vincent's cape?

 

[Neo Bahamut]

and that's without even necessarily going out of your way to do it.

The affection stats seem to be deliberately set up so that you'll get Aerith all or most of the time, if you really don't bother to try. But that's just an impression.

As for how Cloud's feelings factor into this, I've always & continued to maintain a neutral stance, but it's very difficult not to admit that there are some pretty heavy-handed "he loves Aerith" messages throughout the game. That said, regardless of who's "right" for whom, barring the variable of the affection scores, Cloud seems to have been paying more attention to Aerith at the time.

There are mandatory scenes that indicate feelings for Tifa, but they're all flashbacks. This isn't to say "she's a crush he's forgotten," just that, during the course of the game, he's more interested in Aerith.

I think I've veered somewhat off-course, though. My point is, he obviously has feelings for both of them. But I think it's a question of which scene seems more likely. Or...who knows? Maybe he went on more than one date that night? Canonically speaking, of course.

It might be better put that her death is set up more effectively the more attached the player is to her by that point.

Well, yes & no. While that certainly is true, the more the characters interact with the departed character, the more of an impression that it should logically leave. This is probably why no one really gives a shit about Leo in FFVI. They knew him for what, like 2 days? It's kind of a dramatic thing.