Man of Steel / Justice League / DC films

[Carlie]

So I watch the trailer last night when I was half asleep and can't remember most of it now. That was not a good idea.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

They put it out officially:

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[Cthulhu]

I know it's a teaser (officially), but, IDK yet - I'd like to get some motivations and whatnot here. It looks rather grimdark and depressing, too.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

We actually get a lot of that in the opening dialogue. Most of Man of Steel was all about Kal-El establishing himself as a superhuman at the right time for humanity to accept him (his father's whole speech and death in the tornado was all about this). Now it's about the way that the world is reacting to him in both polarizing ways:

• "Is it really surprising that the most powerful man is the world should be a figure of controversy?"
• "We, as a population on this planet, have been looking for a saviour."
• Neil DeGrasse Tyson, "We're talking about a being (ALIEN) whose very existence (They are not telling us the truth) challenges out own sense of priority (This is OUR planet) in the universe?"
• "Human beings have a horrible track record of (tragedy) following people of great power (power corrupts and absolute power [terror] corrupts absolutely [absolute chaos])"
• "Maybe he's just a guy trying to do the right thing-"
• Lex Luthor, "We know better now, don't we? (He's outta control!) Devils don't come from hell beneath us. (They brought their warrior). No, they come from the sky."
• "The world has been so caught up in what he can do that no one has asked what he should do."
• Chanting, "Go home! Go home! Go home! Go home!"


Then we get into Batman's motivations:

• "That's how it starts... the fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness... that turns good men - CRUEL."

Punctuated by Batman's fits and only line:

• "Tell me... Do you bleed? -- You will."



We've got Batman as the human hero juxtaposed against Superman who's a worldwide hero, but he's an alien. This conflict is gonna be the representation of the distrustful side of humanity coming into conflict with Superman, and eventually working itself out into a mutual understanding and the formation of the Justice League (hence the Dawn Of Justice subtitle).




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[Super Mario]

I have no doubts for this film, consider it in my list to watch along with Civil war. Primarily because Mr. Affleck sold me on Batman and he can be slightly older and badass...Plus he WILL make Superman bleed, this I know.

 

[Super Mario]

Double post but, is it true they're bringing Suicide Squad to this DC Cinematic Universe too? Jared Leto's Joker is technically Ben Affleck's arch nemesis in continuity but jailed for sometime till the debut of the team up film? I hope they're not gonna make them heroic or something but alot closer to the one DC Animated films did (Assault on Arkham).

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Haven't heard anything related to that, interestingly enough.



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[Geostigma]

I believe Suicide Squad will be in the shared universe

All I hope is that the inevitable fight is as hard hitting as the one shown the TDKR's animated movie. They seriously did a wonderful job making it feel like both of them were getting actually hit and hard at that. I haven't seen other movies or cartoons quite pull it off like that movie.

 

[Cthulhu]

 

[Ami]

Yop unexpectedly got me into a fit of giggles.

 

[Cthulhu]

 

[Geostigma]

WB released the trailer for download at a significantly higher resolution (not uncompressed tho :<)

Here are some screen grabs

http://imgur.com/a/EpWOm

If you want to download the video file click this link.

http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/.../BVS_DTRL1_REV_ONLINE_VERSION_H264_50Mbps.mov

 

[Cthulhu]

 

[Geostigma]

^That would never happen. Batman with prep time is the strongest known entity in the universe, and Batman always has prep time

 

[Cthulhu]

But Superman would then just fly laps around the earth going faster than light, reversing time and shit, wouldn't he? (IIRC that's what happened in one of the olde movies)

TL;DR: Superman - Kryptonite = god. No amount of money or preparation time can beat a god,

 

[Russell]

No amount of money or preparation time can beat a god,

That sounds like an ominous warning of things to come...

Spoiler

 

[Ghost X]

Nothing can beat a god. Lol.

 

[Geostigma]

But Superman would then just fly laps around the earth going faster than light, reversing time and shit, wouldn't he? (IIRC that's what happened in one of the olde movies)

TL;DR: Superman - Kryptonite = god. No amount of money or preparation time can beat a god,

If you'll allow me to nerd out and take this more seriously than it should be taken

Actually nope Superman can't reverse time by flying counter clockwise anymore lol. Feats of strength like that were retconned to hell and back across the DC Universe thanks to a great comic event called Crisis on Infinite Earths . Essentially for the better half of the century old school writers would make up powers on the fly to neatly finish up story arcs and comic issues instead of using pre-existing powers innovatively to do so. The result was 50+ years of bull shit that needed to get cut and the silliest of powers were cut for good measure. (It was also used as a way to consolidate super hero origins and mythos as well since most were a complete mess due to the same reason super powers were a mess)

So technically nope he cant time travel anymore

Also Supermans weaknesses go beyond just Kryptonite. He is also highly susceptible to magic (lol dude hates david blaine apparently) and high amounts of electricity have been know to knock his dick in the dirt lol.
On one occasion batman tricked Supes to punch a power line powering all of Metropolis which promptly knocked the big guy out cold.

And all though not canon he also did this

Also Batman always has Kryptonite on his person at any given time. Not only that, he has Supermans permission to do so just in case Supes ever loses it or something.


But... the real reason I brought up that that would never happen is because Batman is walking plot armor incarnate. If we were to name superheros after there feats of strength and true powers Batman would be "Contingency Plan Man" Or possibly Plot Armor man lol.


Beware I'm dividing by Zero here : Tvtropes "Crazy Prepared : Batman page

The man has consistently had plot armor built into his kit in every incarnation of the character even surviving events like the 3 separate Infinite Crisis retcons. For every well made argument against Batman there will always be the "Weeelll you see... if Batman had some time to prepa..." Argument and it's entirely plausible because the guy has a consistent pattern of abuse to Plot Armor that has been around since the characters creation lol.

It's so bad that a subreddit called "Who would win" a page dedicated to debating who would win battles had to stop and have a meta discussion about this

http://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/2aym66/meta_on_batman_with_prep_time/


lol. Seriously just check out the tvtropes page to see how ridiculous he is with this shit lol.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

That aspect of his character is like the popular comic icon of the little kid "-but then something cool happened and he wins" method of storytelling (and it always feels like that when it happens). I'm hoping we get something like real deductive reasoning detective Batman with combat abilities, rather than just having walking technology-enhanced plot armor Batman.




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[Geostigma]

I agree.

Though the cynic in me believes they will just explain it away with Bruce acquiring Kryptonian tech after the Battle with Zod and reverse engineering it to enhance/create the powered Bat Armor with a little "Crazy prepared" trope mixed in along the lines.

edit:

Also forgot to note in the nerd out post that Superman also exhibited weakness of Kryptonian air/atmosphere in Man of Steel which I suspect might be a tool bats will use in the movie

 

[Interslicery]

 

[Cthulhu]

I like the tropes, they explain everything . I guess Iron Man is the crazy prepared / plot armor in the Marvel universe? Actually nvm, they're practically the same character,

 

[Geostigma]

I like the tropes, they explain everything . I guess Iron Man is the crazy prepared / plot armor in the Marvel universe? Actually nvm, they're practically the same character,

Pretty much

 

[Carlie]

 

[Super Mario]

OMG I SAW JARED'S JOKER! It's an amazing new look! I hope they make him wear a shirt though, or some good Joker purple outfit! :x


I am hopeful for the DC cinematic universe now cos I wanna see Ben's Batman fight Jared's Joker.