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Fuck. Now I'm going to look forward to watching that thing 
Clement Rage
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In preparation for the sequel I just watched Man of Steel for the first time. I went in with low expectations, because apparently the internet hates this movie and DC in general lately. There was a lot of talk about collateral damage and innocent bystanders, which is something that I'm generally quick to complain about. So I wasn't expecting much.
In preparation for the sequel I just watched Man of Steel for the first time. I went in with low expectations, because apparently the internet hates this movie and DC in general lately. There was a lot of talk about collateral damage and innocent bystanders, which is something that I'm generally quick to complain about. So I wasn't expecting much.
That was a damn good movie.
It did so much right- yes, there was a lot of damage and death, of course there was. That was the point. That is what happens when Kryptonians fight in a city, and there was no way around it. They really are that powerful. He tries to take the fight to orbit, Zod brings it right back, and he doesn't have the leisure of rescuing random civilians, because 1) That would distract from a fight he's having trouble keeping up with as is. 2) Visibly caring would result in Zod instantly deciding 'He cares! Everyone, kill more innocent bystanders!' It wasn't as though he was ever happy about it, and the kiss in the rubble was brief and more of a 'we're still alive' moment than 'Everything is awesome.'
I can see why people were upset about killing Zod, but there really were no other options. Although I might react differently if this was a Batman movie.
US military were relevant without being overpowered, and the writers didn't do that stupid movie thing where the army's only options to deal with a threat are ' handguns' and 'nuclear missiles.'
Also liked various appearances of women as random military officers, as opposed to 'one specific lieutenant on each side.'
Good film. I am now looking forward to Dawn of Justice instead of thinking 'pleasedon'tbeshit'. I'm sorry I bought into the backlash.
It did so much right- yes, there was a lot of damage and death, of course there was. That was the point. That is what happens when Kryptonians fight in a city, and there was no way around it. They really are that powerful. He tries to take the fight to orbit, Zod brings it right back, and he doesn't have the leisure of rescuing random civilians, because 1) That would distract from a fight he's having trouble keeping up with as is. 2) Visibly caring would result in Zod instantly deciding 'He cares! Everyone, kill more innocent bystanders!' It wasn't as though he was ever happy about it, and the kiss in the rubble was brief and more of a 'we're still alive' moment than 'Everything is awesome.'
I can see why people were upset about killing Zod, but there really were no other options. Although I might react differently if this was a Batman movie.
US military were relevant without being overpowered, and the writers didn't do that stupid movie thing where the army's only options to deal with a threat are ' handguns' and 'nuclear missiles.'
Also liked various appearances of women as random military officers, as opposed to 'one specific lieutenant on each side.'
Good film. I am now looking forward to Dawn of Justice instead of thinking 'pleasedon'tbeshit'. I'm sorry I bought into the backlash.
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Man of Steel, much like M. Night Shyamalan's Signs, is a movie hated by a lot of people who didn't pay any attention at all to what the movie was trying to tell them 
You can tell this is true by pretty much the fact that all of the arguments they make are actually answered in the movie it self.
A good friend of mine he's a super huge Superman fan and he hates this movie but it actually blows my mind that his biggest gripe with the movie is actually practically the point of the movie.
I actually really like this movie and I think aside from the shitty shitty script (Ty Goyer) most of the complaints are really unfounded and generally are addressed in the movie.
Personally I enjoy it over like 80% of the MCU (which lets be honest has trash villains and is barely a notch above Michael Bay films and a notch below the excellent Fast and Furious franchise )
You can tell this is true by pretty much the fact that all of the arguments they make are actually answered in the movie it self.
A good friend of mine he's a super huge Superman fan and he hates this movie but it actually blows my mind that his biggest gripe with the movie is actually practically the point of the movie.
He contests that Superman in MoS is not Superman, that supes would never act that way.
I feel his sentiment is probably shared by a lot of people and it makes me sad because that's literally the fucking point of the movie. People see it as the producers not knowing the lore of superman where as I see it as them trying to world build in more than one movie.
He's definitely not Superman. Not Yet. He literally just figured out he can fly.
The movie takes every single chance it can get to avoid calling him Superman for a reason and we find him in a point in his life where his moral beliefs are cut in two.
On the one hand he was raised by the Kents who told him to hold back and not let the world know the truth.
On the other hand he just met his real father who is straight up telling him he can save everybody. Meanwhile members of his species are tearing ass all up and down rural and downtown Metropolis.
That's one of my biggest gripes. I just can't believe can argue that he didn't play the Boyscout in this movie without realizing that the point of the movie is that he isn't there yet. It's why it frickin ends with him in front of the Daily Planet.
The arguments about the destruction of Metropolis blow me away too. Like half of it got wrecked when he was on the other side of the planet trying to stop the World Machine and then the other half got shit on by a General who was literally genetically created to be a master mind at War and be the at the pique of physical strength for Kryptonians AND he just got bloodlusted as well. In what world can a young Kal El stop Zod from doing what he wants to do in that scenario?
I feel his sentiment is probably shared by a lot of people and it makes me sad because that's literally the fucking point of the movie. People see it as the producers not knowing the lore of superman where as I see it as them trying to world build in more than one movie.
He's definitely not Superman. Not Yet. He literally just figured out he can fly.
The movie takes every single chance it can get to avoid calling him Superman for a reason and we find him in a point in his life where his moral beliefs are cut in two.
On the one hand he was raised by the Kents who told him to hold back and not let the world know the truth.
On the other hand he just met his real father who is straight up telling him he can save everybody. Meanwhile members of his species are tearing ass all up and down rural and downtown Metropolis.
That's one of my biggest gripes. I just can't believe can argue that he didn't play the Boyscout in this movie without realizing that the point of the movie is that he isn't there yet. It's why it frickin ends with him in front of the Daily Planet.
The arguments about the destruction of Metropolis blow me away too. Like half of it got wrecked when he was on the other side of the planet trying to stop the World Machine and then the other half got shit on by a General who was literally genetically created to be a master mind at War and be the at the pique of physical strength for Kryptonians AND he just got bloodlusted as well. In what world can a young Kal El stop Zod from doing what he wants to do in that scenario?
I actually really like this movie and I think aside from the shitty shitty script (Ty Goyer) most of the complaints are really unfounded and generally are addressed in the movie.
Personally I enjoy it over like 80% of the MCU (which lets be honest has trash villains and is barely a notch above Michael Bay films and a notch below the excellent Fast and Furious franchise )
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Both your posts make me SO happy. 
Really, everything you need to know about the Kryptonians in Man of Steel can be found right here:
That's not an idle threat. They absolutely can do it, too. Kal El doesn't have any luxury to already BE Superman.
I've done VERY tl;dr write-ups on my tumblr twice for Man of Steel (one just because I needed to, and another to refute Film Crit Hulk's views) and nobody's ever pushed back on them after reading them. It is always amusing when people call out other portrayals of Superman as being equivalent or worse as a rebuttal, because nobody fights that argument either.
But yeah, the film gets a lot of flack it doesn't deserve, which is why I'm glad that DC stuck to their guns and just went with it and embraced it wholeheartedly for BvS.
I got my tickets yesterday to see this in IMAX when it opens, and I've been listening to the soundtrack and I'd forgotten how utterly spectacular it is. By the gods, it's still one of my favourites ever.
Also, the only thing that I'll say about comparisons to the MCU, is that it doesn't have anything that feels like GODS fighting the way the the Kryptonians do.
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Really, everything you need to know about the Kryptonians in Man of Steel can be found right here:
That's not an idle threat. They absolutely can do it, too. Kal El doesn't have any luxury to already BE Superman.
I've done VERY tl;dr write-ups on my tumblr twice for Man of Steel (one just because I needed to, and another to refute Film Crit Hulk's views) and nobody's ever pushed back on them after reading them. It is always amusing when people call out other portrayals of Superman as being equivalent or worse as a rebuttal, because nobody fights that argument either.
But yeah, the film gets a lot of flack it doesn't deserve, which is why I'm glad that DC stuck to their guns and just went with it and embraced it wholeheartedly for BvS.
I got my tickets yesterday to see this in IMAX when it opens, and I've been listening to the soundtrack and I'd forgotten how utterly spectacular it is. By the gods, it's still one of my favourites ever.
Also, the only thing that I'll say about comparisons to the MCU, is that it doesn't have anything that feels like GODS fighting the way the the Kryptonians do.
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Ahh Faora was so good in this movie. I'm going off memory since it's been awhile but
I think she's a great example for just how out of his league Kal el really was when fighting the kryptonians.
She wasn't powered up like Kal el and Zod (later on) were, and she still managed to in my opinion kick his ass lol.
I'm sure if Kal el wasn't blood lusted after realizing his mom was in danger he would have also been wrecked by Zod pretty easily.
In the end just consider how the movie ended. Superman and Humanities only hope to defeat the Kryptonians was to send them back to the phantom zone and turn the fight into a 1 on 1. And look how everything turned out with just 2 kryptonians fighting.
I think over all they got really lucky the rest of the Kryptonians didn't decide to take off their breathers
As for me bringing up the MCU. I did so because thats often brought up when talking about MoS or the DCU.
I think they're great movies as far entertainment goes but over all many elements of MCU movies are very very poor (Extremely lackluster villains, poor cinematography, poor scripts etc.). Where as I think over all MoS would probably tie for like number 5 in a top 5 list of best comic book movies so far.
Regarding the MCU I think Every Frame a Painting goes over one of my biggest gripes very well with how the movies are shot in his video going over Akira Kurosawas work
TL;DR MCU visually is very boring in regards to framing and camera work, where as comparatively many aspects of MoS are very beautifully framed and shot. The entire Krypton segment was spankbank material.
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Just finished reading your blog posts. Good stuff
I think she's a great example for just how out of his league Kal el really was when fighting the kryptonians.
She wasn't powered up like Kal el and Zod (later on) were, and she still managed to in my opinion kick his ass lol.
I'm sure if Kal el wasn't blood lusted after realizing his mom was in danger he would have also been wrecked by Zod pretty easily.
In the end just consider how the movie ended. Superman and Humanities only hope to defeat the Kryptonians was to send them back to the phantom zone and turn the fight into a 1 on 1. And look how everything turned out with just 2 kryptonians fighting.
I think over all they got really lucky the rest of the Kryptonians didn't decide to take off their breathers
As for me bringing up the MCU. I did so because thats often brought up when talking about MoS or the DCU.
I think they're great movies as far entertainment goes but over all many elements of MCU movies are very very poor (Extremely lackluster villains, poor cinematography, poor scripts etc.). Where as I think over all MoS would probably tie for like number 5 in a top 5 list of best comic book movies so far.
Regarding the MCU I think Every Frame a Painting goes over one of my biggest gripes very well with how the movies are shot in his video going over Akira Kurosawas work
TL;DR MCU visually is very boring in regards to framing and camera work, where as comparatively many aspects of MoS are very beautifully framed and shot. The entire Krypton segment was spankbank material.
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Just finished reading your blog posts. Good stuff
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Thanks withdrawn.Gabriel said:
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No u. Imma fight to keep that thanks lol.
I love Michael Bay movies and FF is one of my favorite franchises lol. For my money you can't beat a movie ticket to a FF movie lol.
Great MCU movies are really good, I mean Winter Soldier is a legitimately good movie that you could sooner call it a spy thriller prior to calling it a comic movie (Much like how you can easily call Dark Knight a crime drama movie as well )
But MCU also comparatively has some movies that aren't so hot but are atleast entertaining lol. Like it MCU's villains are like Loki, Kingpin and Killgrave and a case can be made for Obidah and Alexander Pierce. Beyond that MCU really fails to deliver on the villain front where as I think Zod in MoS was excellent.
Poor cinematography , while the movies are very fun they aren't very creative and often cinematically are very "flat" films I guess. Which is a shame because there have been very talented people in charge of these movies who can do so much better with ease.
Poor scripts. Thor 2, Iron Man 2 , AoU. Script wise these movies were rather poor imo.
I don't think it's an unfair statement tbh. They are great movies even in the worst ones I don't recall being bored at all in the cinema. Though if we are going to get nitty gritty with it the MCU films usually are lacking in a few departments.
I love Michael Bay movies and FF is one of my favorite franchises lol. For my money you can't beat a movie ticket to a FF movie lol.
Great MCU movies are really good, I mean Winter Soldier is a legitimately good movie that you could sooner call it a spy thriller prior to calling it a comic movie (Much like how you can easily call Dark Knight a crime drama movie as well
)But MCU also comparatively has some movies that aren't so hot but are atleast entertaining lol. Like it MCU's villains are like Loki, Kingpin and Killgrave and a case can be made for Obidah and Alexander Pierce. Beyond that MCU really fails to deliver on the villain front where as I think Zod in MoS was excellent.
Poor cinematography , while the movies are very fun they aren't very creative and often cinematically are very "flat" films I guess. Which is a shame because there have been very talented people in charge of these movies who can do so much better with ease.
Poor scripts. Thor 2, Iron Man 2 , AoU. Script wise these movies were rather poor imo.
I don't think it's an unfair statement tbh. They are great movies even in the worst ones I don't recall being bored at all in the cinema. Though if we are going to get nitty gritty with it the MCU films usually are lacking in a few departments.
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I don't think you can compare MCU and DCU, they're different and have different goals. Although it is somewhat easier to rescue civilians when fighting against drones that are not much threat to any of your team, so I question that criticism.
Personally didn't like Winter Soldier although I could recognise it was well executed.
Personally didn't like Winter Soldier although I could recognise it was well executed.
Tetsujin
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Looks like the director's cut of BvS is a whopping 30 minutes longer.
Longest superhero movie ever confirmed
Longest superhero movie ever confirmed
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I was just thinking about his movie having an older batman in it. I got nothing against Ben Affleck, not really sure why people were pissed about his being cast. However, if we are really dealing with an older Batman, I submit that Ron Perlman would have been a better choice. Plus, I fully think he could beat the ever loving shit out of Henry Cavill.
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I already got my ticket for Thursday~
I hope it'll appeal to me more than to the critics. Current RT score is 42%. Yikes.
Its imdb score is at 9.1 right now, so it's probably one of those "critics hate it, audiences love it" type movies.
Tetsujin
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I already got my ticket for Thursday~
I hope it'll appeal to me more than to the critics. Current RT score is 42%. Yikes.
Its imdb score is at 9.1 right now, so it's probably one of those "critics hate it, audiences love it" type movies.
RT audience score is at 84% now, so it really seems that way.
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Unlike Affleck, Perlman was actually in a successful (and original) superhero movie (or two), so
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Just got back from watching it.
I liked it. Affleck makes for a great Batman. Irons is obviously the perfect Alfred. The movie clearly better equiped to write about Batman then Superman given the kind of world it is. But it's portrays the Batman v Superman conflict better then any other iteration I've seen and honestly the movie's biggest problem isn't it portrayal of Lex it's that Superman spends too much time saving Lois Lane, which is a classic Superman problem. The movie takes a good long while to get around any genuine fight scene, but it's a good one.
Wonder Woman is adequate. Aquaman literally has one scene, without sound so all I can say is that Momoa looks badass, no duh. Even less of an opinion on Cyborg, he's already got a Motherbox so he'll be a major exposition source in the next movie I guess. The scene with Flash is very interesting, seems like Flash just stopped by MoSverse mid-Flashpoint or something. It's a pretty dec sequelhook. Doomsday is as generic as can be but does it's job. Okamoto's character dies abruptly before getting to do anything which is too bad. Lex' sexy assistants have been known to kick some ass, so it really came as a disappointment after the fake build up.
Also the Clark Kent disguise is paperthin AF. They don't even try.
All in all 7.5/10
Wonder Woman is adequate. Aquaman literally has one scene, without sound so all I can say is that Momoa looks badass, no duh. Even less of an opinion on Cyborg, he's already got a Motherbox so he'll be a major exposition source in the next movie I guess. The scene with Flash is very interesting, seems like Flash just stopped by MoSverse mid-Flashpoint or something. It's a pretty dec sequelhook. Doomsday is as generic as can be but does it's job. Okamoto's character dies abruptly before getting to do anything which is too bad. Lex' sexy assistants have been known to kick some ass, so it really came as a disappointment after the fake build up.
Also the Clark Kent disguise is paperthin AF. They don't even try.
All in all 7.5/10