More Female Main Protagonists In Final Fantasy

jazzflower92

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Like I said before I think a villainess who is like Azula in characteristic and story would be fun.She looks like she has it all but the fact is that she is hiding that she is very much messed up emotionally and mentally.I sorta of have an interest in villianesses like that because down underneath they are still human and often or not humans can be broken in so many ways.
 

jazzflower92

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I like women like Tifa: hawt, big boobies, a great personality, and good at cooking.:monster:
>_>

If I was creating my female characters I would have the ones who have the biggiest chest size be the ones who are the most modestly covered up.Hey,you can be modest wearing and still be a tease.
 

Kermitu Kleric Katie

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>_>

If I was creating my female characters I would have the ones who have the biggiest chest size be the ones who are the most modestly covered up.Hey,you can be modest wearing and still be a tease.

Interestingly enough, Tifa has only had two outfits to date that show her cleavage:her wall market dress and her CC cowgirl outfit.
 

jazzflower92

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Interestingly enough, Tifa has only had two outfits to date that show her cleavage:her wall market dress and her CC cowgirl outfit.

Okay,you got me.

I think its because I am just a girl who thinks that oversexualization can be bad for many reasons.One thing is that I feel some sexy clothing are really uneccessary and really not fit for the role the character is playing.But thats my opinion so don't bother thinking about it.
 

Kermitu Kleric Katie

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Okay,you got me.

I think its because I am just a girl who thinks that oversexualization can be bad for many reasons.One thing is that I feel some sexy clothing are really uneccessary and really not fit for the role the character is playing.But thats my opinion so don't bother thinking about it.

What, is Tifa not allowed to genuinely enjoy wearing revealing outfits?
 

jazzflower92

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What, is Tifa not allowed to genuinely enjoy wearing revealing outfits?

Personally I wouldn't be caught dead in a miniskirt.Heck,I wouldn't be caught dead in any revealing clothes.So,its just a personal thing for me not to like revealing clothing.

So,you can call me a prudish conservative but in my opinion revealing clothing has a double edged sword.Because just as there are attractive people in reavling clothing there will also be ugly people in revealing clothing.On Tv Tropes,its called fan disservice where something sexy is turned squirky.

For me in my opinion some guys like a girl character who has personality over sexiness.I say she can be flirty and beautiful but can dress conservatively at the same time.Hey,if Aerith can pull it off I believe other female characters can as well.
 
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Alex Strife

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Those who judge women on breast size alone are mainly women. Men can go all "wow, I love her boobs!" but do not necessarily dismiss her personality. On the other hand, I've seen women go "she's a whore" to other women who wear outfits as revealing as themselves because they had big breasts. Of course I'm not saying guys can't judge a woman based on breast size alone, and I'm not saying all females do either... but hopefully you know what I mean.

It's genetics we're talking about, right? You can be a whore and be as flat as a guy, and you can be as modest as can be while having Tifa-sized breasts. So, what's wrong with that? As an example, in Ar Tonelico 3, Finnel is flat-chested and wears more revealing clothes and is implied to be more perverted than Saki, who has big breasts and her clothes are not revealing at all.

People should stop judging women on that. And obviously, different guys will like different women. While a really sexy woman with a great body and a revealing outfit can be eye candy, personality is what would win me, in the end.

Of course, if personality can be coupled with a little bit of eye candy (not too much!), that's even better.

tl;dr: just because one doesn't like revealing clothes, they shouldn't judge others who like them. It's "just a fashion choice", after all.
 

jazzflower92

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Okay,I will just say its difference of opinions on the subject so we will leave it to be.

Another thing that also would be crucial to a female main lead character is how she fights;will she be a close combat person or a ranged fighter.Most often or not in RPG games most female characters are ranged fighters.However,in Final Fantasy 7 a lot of the females are actually closed combat fighters with some of the males being ranged fighters.
 
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looneymoon

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I don't think there's a problem in a female character having the agency to want to portray herself in a sexually liberating way. I think that is a very empowering thing.

I think it is a huge problem for a male creator to exploit a female body in a sexualised manner for whatever purpose.

There is a very big difference on those issues, and it becomes even more complicated when you consider that the two instances aren't mutually exclusive.

Those who judge women on breast size alone are mainly women.

Well not exactly because while it is true that women do participate in that culture as much as anyone else, the idea is: a) created in society b) perpetuated by the media and c) originates somewhere within these spheres. All of which are dominated and controlled primarily by men. It's a really hard thing to argue that something like the sexualisation of breasts/breast size isn't a product of patriarchy.
 
I don't think there's a problem in a female character having the agency to want to portray herself in a sexually liberating way. I think that is a very empowering thing.

I think it is a huge problem for a male creator to exploit a female body in a sexualised manner for whatever purpose.

There is a very big difference on those issues, and it becomes even more complicated when you consider that the two instances aren't mutually exclusive.

This is very thought-provoking. On one level I agree, but on another level I don't think it is the purpose of works of fiction to preach and promote a better society, but rather to reflect that society back to us and inspire us to think about it. If video games (or novels, or TV shows, etc...) limited the way they presented women to a few "PC models" they would truly be mere escapism. Nothing should be off-limits to the creative person.


Well not exactly because while it is true that women do participate in that culture as much as anyone else, the idea is: a) created in society b) perpetuated by the media and c) originates somewhere within these spheres. All of which are dominated and controlled primarily by men. It's a really hard thing to argue that something like the sexualisation of breasts/breast size isn't a product of patriarchy.

Maybe the media is controlled by men, although I think this is a widely-held assumption rather than a proven truth - but nobody is putting a gun to women's heads and forcing them to buy all those magazines that tell them how to diet and the best way to please men. Nobody is marching them off to plastic surgeons and compelling them to get breast implants. If women stopped buying into all this crap it would lose its power. And I do disagree that society is controlled by men, I totally disagree. I think it's really disingenuous for women to try to claim they have so little power.
 

jazzflower92

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Another thing that I take note of is the trope, three faces of eve.Which is if there is three girls in a group one will be motherly,one will be sweet,and other will be sexy.

Tifa even though she looks like she would be the seductress is really the mother.

Aerith who looks like she could be the motherly one is really the seductress.

Yuffie is the child played straight and even looks the part as well.

The Three Faces Of Eve trope can be found in a lot of Final Fantasy games with three girls in the group.In my opinion Final Fantasy 7 plays arounds with it the most with how they potray Tifa and Aerith.
 

Kermitu Kleric Katie

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Personally I wouldn't be caught dead in a miniskirt.Heck,I wouldn't be caught dead in any revealing clothes.So,its just a personal thing for me not to like revealing clothing.

So,you can call me a prudish conservative but in my opinion revealing clothing has a double edged sword.Because just as there are attractive people in reavling clothing there will also be ugly people in revealing clothing.On Tv Tropes,its called fan disservice where something sexy is turned squirky.

For me in my opinion some guys like a girl character who has personality over sexiness.I say she can be flirty and beautiful but can dress conservatively at the same time.Hey,if Aerith can pull it off I believe other female characters can as well.

Aerith does not dress conservatively. Take a good look at her dress, not only does it show a dangerous amount of cleavage, all the buttons from the bottom of the dress up to the crotch are unbuttoned. Conservative my ass.
 

jazzflower92

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Getting back to the subject of Aerith I actuall think she should have been the main character of the game.That probably puts me in the minority but I think she has the all makings of being a main protagonist.Of course this would turn Cloud into a decoy protagonist who would probably take her place being killed.

It would have been a major plot twist that it is Cloud who dies,the guy who is being set up as the main character is killed.Then Aerith takes center stage and becomes the true protagonist.

As a character I find Aerith has a lot of characteristics that make her stand out to me.She might be very feminine but she is also plucky and headstrong.She is lovable and sweet but she is not above acting tough when the time calls for it.I mean the girl threatened to cut off Don Corneo's privates.She might be a white mage but she defiantly has the guts of a brawler.

Then again she grew up in the slums so she had to require some sorta of guts and street smarts.

Aerith is a flower but people should remmeber she is a wild flower not a potted plant.Wild flowers grow up in tough circumstances and withstand anything thrown at them.
 
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Kermitu Kleric Katie

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Getting back to the subject of Aerith I actuall think she should have been the main character of the game.That probably puts me in the minority but I think she has the all makings of being a main protagonist.Of course this would turn Cloud into a decoy protagonist who would probably take her place being killed.

It would have been a major plot twist that it is Cloud who dies,the guy who is being set up as the main character is killed.Then Aerith takes center stage and becomes the true protagonist.

As a character I find Aerith has a lot of characteristics that make her stand out to me.She might be very feminine but she is also plucky and headstrong.She is lovable and sweet but she is not above acting tough when the time calls for it.I mean the girl threatened to cut off Don Corneo's privates.

Aerith is a flower but people should remmeber she is a wild flower not a potted plant.Wild flowers grow up in tough circumstances and withstand anything thrown at them.
Actually it was Cloud who threatened to chop 'em off. If I'm not mistaken, Aerith threatened to rip 'em off while Tifa threatened to smash 'em. It may have been the other way around, I don't remember.

And if Aerith doesn't die, FFVII gets a downer ending. The reason meteor didn't destroy the world after holy failed was because Aerith got some people in the lifestream(including Zack, Biggs, Wedge, Jessie, and Dyne), to help her stop meteor, hence why the lifestream is attacking meteor in the ending.
 

jazzflower92

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Actually it was Cloud who threatened to chop 'em off. If I'm not mistaken, Aerith threatened to rip 'em off while Tifa threatened to smash 'em. It may have been the other way around, I don't remember.

And if Aerith doesn't die, FFVII gets a downer ending. The reason meteor didn't destroy the world after holy failed was because Aerith got some people in the lifestream(including Zack, Biggs, Wedge, Jessie, and Dyne), to help her stop meteor, hence why the lifestream is attacking meteor in the ending.

Here is another thing that could have happened what if like Cloud,Aerith went into the lifestream and absorbed some of its power.This would help her connect to the lifestream and help stop the meteor.You might not agree with him but I do think there maybe could have been away to stop meteor without Aerith dying.Espically if like Cloud she went into the lifestream like he did.

I also find Aerith a bigger foil to Sephiroth than even Cloud is.Mainly they are just made to be archenemies.In fact Aerith was an even bigger threat to Sephiroth's plans than Cloud.
 

Kermitu Kleric Katie

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Here is another thing that could have happened what if like Cloud,Aerith went into the lifestream and absorbed some of its power.This would help her connect to the lifestream and help stop the meteor.You might not agree with him but I do think there maybe could have been away to stop meteor without Aerith dying.Espically if like Cloud she went into the lifestream like he did.

I also find Aerith a bigger foil to Sephiroth than even Cloud is.Mainly they are just made to be archenemies.In fact Aerith was an even bigger threat to Sephiroth's plans than Cloud.

Aerith not dying also destroys the point of her death.
 

jazzflower92

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Aerith not dying also destroys the point of her death.

Yeah,her death was very important in how it effected the story and drove the characters espically Cloud's development.Like I said what if it was the reverse,Aerith was the main character and Cloud is the one who ends up biting the dust how would things change.

But that is just speculation and fanfiction talk happening.

Aerith in my opinion is sweet on the outside while being spicy on the inside.I can say she certainly left a great impression on me that its really lasting.If the creators made her so compelling as a character that people still mourn her death then they succeeded at making such a memorable female character.I think that draws us in with the characters in the story as well because we have grown to know Aerith and are struck as much as them when she dies.
 
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Kermitu Kleric Katie

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Yeah,her death was very important in how it effected the story and drove the characters espically Cloud's development.Like I said what if it was the reverse,Aerith was the main character and Cloud is the one who ends up biting the dust how would things change.

But that is just speculation and fanfiction talk happening.

Aerith in my opinion is sweet on the outside while being spicy on the inside.

I wasn't talking story-wise I was talking about all the symbolism her death had.
 

jazzflower92

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I wasn't talking story-wise I was talking about all the symbolism her death had.

Oh,yeah duh number one rule of Final Fantasy 7 is the symbolism.Its probably how her death was played mainly because it came out of nowhere and it was so sudden.Plus Cloud and the others just found after they were seperated for a while.To add insult to injury the last interaction she had with Cloud was him being mind raped by Sephiroth into killing her.

Yeah,in Final Fantasy 7 the symbolism is life and death.Her death changes the stakes in the game as well and shows how much of a threat Sephiroth is.
 

Kermitu Kleric Katie

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Oh,yeah duh number one rule of Final Fantasy 7 is the symbolism.Its probably how her death was played mainly because it came out of nowhere and it was so sudden.Plus Cloud and the others just found after they were seperated for a while.To add insult to injury the last interaction she had with Cloud was him being mind raped by Sephiroth into killing her.

Yeah,in Final Fantasy 7 the symbolism is life and death.Her death changes the stakes in the game as well and shows how much of a threat Sephiroth is.

Not to mention the contrast it had with Cait Sith's "death"
 

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Not to mention the contrast it had with Cait Sith's "death"

Oh,yeah Caith Sith's death was sorta of a Red Herring showing how death in many RPG games just have the character come back to life without any lasting effects.Caith Sith's was also over the top and kinda of forgotten.Not to mention he is a robot and can be rebuilt/replaced.

It also does a number on Cloud's guilt and concious that he couldn't save her in time.Plus the fact he was supposed to be her bodyguard and failed at it.Makes one wonder where are all the therapists in the Final Fantasy 7 world because they can make fortune off the probelms all these characters have.
 

Alex Strife

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The problem is that people (both men and women) tend to worry too much about how fiction characters portray themselves. Or rather, how they are portrayed. Since it's fiction, it's obvious someone decided to dress people in a particular way, and for them to have whatever body they have. In that sense, it's a conscious decision taken by somebody. Yes. But I don't think there's necessarily as much sexualisation as people make it to be. Just as "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", the same goes for this. In my opinion, that is.

And just to make sure, Rishi, if it was a female creator exploiting a female body in a sexualised manner for whatever purpose, would you be okay with it?

And "I don't care" about the origins. What I wanted to talk about was how people behaved. And I've seen way more females calling other females "whore" than I've seen men do. And based on their bodies, too.

I agree with Licorice in that, while our culture is what it is, it's up to the individual, whether to take part in it or not. I know this may sound pedantic, but if I'm the socially awkward person I am, it's because I chose not to do the very same things everyone does. Partying, dancing, drinking until you pass out, ... Those things are not for me. And only because society accepts them as "part of the game", it does not mean I have to do them. It may be a problem for me, because it makes me less interesting, socially speaking. At least with a big part of the population. But nobody's forcing me to do it, and so I can decide.

And you know what? Absolutely every male friend I have would rather have a flat-chested girlfriend than the same girl with fake breasts. The size doesn't matter, for pete's sake. Men generally like real women. At least I know I do. And yes, of course, I may have a preference on that area, but it's just another physical trait. As hair and eye color is, or height, or other stuff. It's just that. A preference. It doesn't mean you wouldn't date a person who didn't have that. We all have our preferences, be it in food, hobbies or the hipothetical boyfriend / girlfriend's looks. The thing is we need to avoid getting too obsessed with those preferences. Hell, when I had a girlfriend, I thought her the most beautiful woman on Earth (and I was wrong, not going to go too deep into this part of my life :lol:). And I can tell you the only thing she had that was part of my preference was a relatively short height. Period.

Also, huge trigger warning. The world may be theoretically more controlled by men, in general terms. But women have a very big importance. Much more than a lot of people say they have. I simply do not believe a president's wife would not give her opinion on things, when they're not in public, for instance. And almost on every couple I know, the woman has a special power of decision that no man has.
 
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Kermitu Kleric Katie

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I honestly don't care what gender the protagonist in a game is, though I will admit I prefer male protagonists to female ones, since as a male, I find them easier to identify with.

And you forgot one contrast between Cait Sith and Aerith's deaths: that Cait Sith predicts a happy future together for Cloud and Aerith, which is proven wrong by her death not too long after.
 
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