More Sephiroth and Hojo Interactions

[jazzflower92]

You know how Sephiroth and Hojo had zero interactions in the original game, I think in the new game there will be flashbacks expanding on their relationship with one another.

 

[Tashasaurous]

You know how Sephiroth and Hojo had zero interactions in the original game, I think in the new game there will be flashbacks expanding on their relationship with one another.

What relationship? The only relationship they had was that Sephiroth out-right hates Hojo who only cares about turning Sephiroth into an Armengeddon(pardon the misspelling) model to destroy the world just to prove the theory on how Jenova left one world to the next.

The only thing I see in flash-backs are Sephiroth glaring at Hojo when the former was a child, and all of those mako injections and needles(which are the worst, since I lothe needles I can't even look at them).

 

[Ite]

A bunch of gratuitous scenes that don't move the story forward nor help us to understand the characters any more than we already do? This is exactly what fan fiction is for.

 

[Keveh Kins]

Incidentally, is it ever confirmed that SOLDIER members are injected with Mako? Or is that just one of those things that arose out of fandom and has become the norm?

I remember Sephiroth mentioning during the Nibelheim flashback that SOLDIER members are "showered" with Mako.

OT: I don' think a whole lot could be done with additional Hojo/Sephiroth scenes. The few comments both of them make in the OG already confirm their relationship was negative. And Sephiroth's too much of a stoic for any flashback scenes to have huge emotional charge and drama to them. He's more quietly dismissive of things he dislikes, than someone who would outwardly express hate.

That's why his breakdown at Nibelheim is so poignant, because it's the first and arguably (?) the only time we see him let loose emotionally and it's utterly destructive and completely out of character for him.

I prefer a Sephiroth who was always calm and in control, even as a child. Maybe not so much calm and controlled as a bit stunted when it comes to expressing himself emotionally. And then it all hits him like a brick shithouse at once and he can't cope. But the flip side of that is that there'd be nothing new that could be gotten out of his interactions with Hojo outside of what we've already seen. Or something

 

[Wolf_]

Soldiers were showered in the mako, not injected. They were injected with Jenova cells.

If i remember correctly, Sephiroth has a fondness for Gast, be nice to see the process of Sephiroth growing up, or even Little Seph taking a mako shower. Having a one or two good influences in his life, as well as the mountain of dark stuff. Crisis Core really drummed it into you that (At least for me anyway) that Sephiroth was really a victim in all of this. He showed morals and caring throughout the game until he snapped.

 

[Roger]

Sephiroth wouldn't get injections of Mako or Jenova cells. But I'm sure they took blood samples regularly so still some needles, but I doubt Hojo was doing that himself, being Head of the Department and all.

 

[Wolf_]

Surely Sephiroth still had the mako shower?

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I know there's a body of fans within the fandom who'd like the remake to include Sephiroth's redemption or at least his vindication ("He had a loveless childhood! He was a victim of child abuse! Shinra exploited him against his will! All his friends deserted him!") but personally I feel the OG tells us quite as much about Sephiroth as we need to know. The game is not about Sephiroth, it's about Cloud. I wouldn't mind seeing a few Crisis Core flashbacks, though - maybe with Cloud in Zack's place and Zack in Cloud's. That would be good.

 

[jazzflower92]

It might be about Cloud, but it doesn't mean it can't focus on developing it's villain as well. Often times villains are parallels to the hero, and show would have happened if they chose the path of darkness.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

That's very true, but it's not really the case with this story. Sephiroth is a created being who chooses the path of darkness when he finds out what's been done to him. He tries to persuade Cloud that he is also a created being, and Cloud's whole story is about peeling away the layers of what's been done to him to figure out who he really is - i.e., not the puppet Sephiroth says he is, and not Zack either. Knowing more about Sephiroth doesn't really help to tell that story. I really feel that we know everything about Sephiroth that we need to know - even if we don't know everything that we want to know.

 

[hian]

Surely Sephiroth still had the mako shower?

If he did, I'm pretty sure he dropped the soap, which is why he's so butt-hurt about everything. BADAM-TSSSS

 

[leadmyskeptic]

Side note to the title of the thread, but it's intriguing how you can either think of Sephiroth as a 'victim', a "Monster made by Shinra" (in fact, I think someone even uses a phrase like that within the OG), or someone who, although inherently screwed with by the very act of his creation, is the personification of evil. While the first option makes things a bit more complex, I suppose, I prefer the latter option, with the 'tragic figure' aspect just an ingredient in the recipe. Otherwise, charging into battle against him in the end loses a bit of its epic oopmh.

 

[Tashasaurous]

While the first option makes things a bit more complex, I suppose, I prefer the latter option, with the 'tragic figure' aspect just an ingredient in the recipe. Otherwise, charging into battle against him in the end loses a bit of its epic oopmh.

If Sephiroth was a tragic figured ingredient of a recipe, then you should consider Hojo the biggest Recipe for Disaster in the long, sad history of recipes for disasters.

Spoiler

In the KH Universe, the Master of Masters, Luxu the sixth foreteller & his Keyblade which now belongs to Xehanort and Xehanort himself are all equally the second biggest Recipe for Disaster

And probably the most disgusting recipe too.

 

[Ite]

Good thing that to an outsider Kingdom Hearts lore looks like pure gibberish!

 

[Tashasaurous]

Good thing that to an outsider Kingdom Hearts lore looks like pure gibberish!

Not sure what you mean, but I love Kingdom Hearts.

It's just that I feel like Xehanort is a Kingdom Hearts version of Hojo, and since I don't have either X Chi PC(since it's only for Japan which will be teterminated in September) or Unchained for my IOS/Andriod, I've been watching both gameplays on Youtube(translated in english) so that's how I know about...

Spoiler

The Master of Masters and Luxu

, they both feel like...descendants of Xehanort with similiar personality to Hojo.

I mean, come on. Hojo wants to prove the Jenova theory and even loves the idea of humanity being destroyed(since as far as I can see, he sees the rest of humanity nothing more than his own toys to play with when he has the chance).

Spoiler

Xehanort wants to gain the X-Blade and start a Keyblade War to see the results at the cost of all life in the Realm of Light.

If both incidents in both universes are not similiar to each other, then I don't know.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Good thing that to an outsider Kingdom Hearts lore looks like pure gibberish!

It looks that way to insiders too.

 

[Ite]

Good thing that to an outsider Kingdom Hearts lore looks like pure gibberish!

Not sure what you mean, but I love Kingdom Hearts.

I mean that in another franchise, a spoiler would give away the story, such as: Aeris dies; He was a ghost the whole time; Soylent Green is people; Darth Vader is Luke's father. Even if I haven't seen it and have no idea who Luke is, the spoiler will become apparent as I watch the movie, meet Luke, etc. The story of KH is so complex, the names so weird, that they take dozens of hours to understand. To me, what you said sounded like this:

Xanadu is a shadow version of Imhotep at least when the clock-dimension faces left, so in a way you could say that Yoxoxootep and Xaozootep act as right-facing hour hands, but (spoiler alert) Xanadu's vigil form is an Attendor which makes none of this his fault.

 

[Octo]

Xanadu is a shadow version of Imhotep at least when the clock-dimension faces left, so in a way you could say that Yoxoxootep and Xaozootep act as right-facing hour hands, but (spoiler alert) Xanadu's vigil form is an Attendor which makes none of this his fault.

This is my favourite thing that I've read all week.

EDIT: Ite you should totally write a fantasy novel! I mean, I'd totally hate it probably, because I hate most of these things. But you would definitely make money from it!