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Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
AKA
The Engineer
Well, Kishimoto did go out of the way to make Jiraiya's body really hard to get too. To be honest, you'd think he'd be one of the first people Kabuto would resurrect because he would be the best available person counter to Naruto's jutsu.
 

Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
AKA
The Engineer
Dang, the half-flashback/half-alternate universe hits hard. Especially when we know how easy it would have been for it to happen instead of canon.

Also, given how much symbolism actually means in the Naruto'verse, I find it really interesting that the sword SSP used to "create" the world is shaped like DNA...
 

Mirai Zack Fair

Rookie Adventurer
I know that it's a bit late to state this observation at this point, but I thought I would be better to do it now than after this fight is over.

After Kakashi takes a wounded Naruto (who just barely lost against Susuke at the Valley of the End) to the hospital, there is a scene in the manga that shows Kakashi at the Memorial Stone, paying his respects to Obito. He talks about how even though he has become a teacher with his own students, he still continues to have so many regrets. Finally, Kakashi asks the presumed deceased Obito what he would say to Kakashi if he were still alive.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-242-2/naruto/chapter-237.html

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-242-3/naruto/chapter-237.html


Three years later, during the Fourth Shinobi World War, after Kakashi figures out that Tobi's Space Teleportation Jutsu is connected to Kakashi's Kamui, and after Tobi gives his answer, Kakashi starts putting two and two together, and that is when Obito answers the question that Kakashi asked at the Memorial Stone after the battle at the Valley of the End:

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/597/13

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/597/14


As someone else mentioned earlier, this echoes to Minato's lesson of "Only talk big if you are capable of backing up your words". However, this time, the key word here, is regret. At the Memorial Stone, Kakashi ponders why, despite becoming a teacher and gaining students of his own, he continues to have regrets. As if in response, Obito is replying to Kakashi's question, saying that it is because Kakashi does not fully appreciate the situations that constantly puts himself into (the promise to protect Rin, assuring Sakura that things would go back to the way they were shortly after Naruto and Sasuke's short skirmish on the Hospital roof), and in the end is unable to keep his promises.

Just an observation that I made.
 

Drax

Pro Adventurer
AKA
Benoist; Captain Highwind
As an aside: Interesting height chart they had there. Raikage and Bee even tower over the otherwise massive round-headed guy. O_o
 

Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
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The Engineer
Dang. That is such an awesome use of that visual metaphor and it's been in use since chapter 1... http://www.mangapanda.com/93-1-31/naruto/chapter-1.html And I love how Naruto's sticking all the choice on Obito...

Some more interesting pages from chapter 1...

The nine spirals arranged in a square has been associated with Kyuubi/Kurama for a long time... http://www.mangapanda.com/93-1-2/naruto/chapter-1.html

Naruto's made good on this promise... http://www.mangapanda.com/93-1-12/naruto/chapter-1.html

Interesting how (and why) the reason Naruto wants to become Hokage has changed... http://www.mangapanda.com/93-1-13/naruto/chapter-1.html who else does this sound like?
 

Roger

He/him
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Minato
As an aside: Interesting height chart they had there. Raikage and Bee even tower over the otherwise massive round-headed guy. O_o

I'm more surprised at Kakashi. I guess it was just Asuma and Jiraiya being easily taller still that made his height look relatively normal.
 

Kai Schulen

... ... ...▼
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Trainer Red
Am I detecting a little Uchiha family moment between Obito and Sasuke in the panel where Obito thinks he's regretting his actions? :awesome:
 

Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
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The Engineer
Double post

So, it's been a year or two since I last read through the entire series, and given the backstory we've gotten, it's time for another read-though. Thought that this time, I could give commentary every couple of major arcs or so and stick up a revised time-line while I'm at it.
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
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TresDias
That would be awesome to read.

You have to hand it to Kishimoto: For a series that relies as much on the unfolding of events in the past as the present, it holds together remarkably well. Has he ever been asked how much of the story he had planned at the beginning?
 
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Harbinger O Great Justice
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X
That would be awesome to read.

You have to hand it to Kishimoto: For a series that relies as much on the unfolding of events in the past as much as the present, it holds together remarkably well. Has he ever been asked how much of the story he had planned at the beginning?

Agreed that it would be an awesome read.

I think that he'd talked about it in a much earlier interview. I remember that some details have changed, like the Akatsuki were all gonna be more monstrous, like Zetsu & Kisame at first, but that changed. I think that they did a LOT of planning before anything for Shippuden was actually set in motion though. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd gotten a lot of the basics planned since Kakashi Gaiden.

I really liked that this chapter really shows the difference between a war-torn idealist-turned-realist, and an unbreakable idealist. They both want peace, and Obito really TRULY believes that this is the only way that it's ever going to happen, whereas Naruto believes that the harder path is the answer - not the shortcut of an illusion. "Two paths aren't the same, even if they both lead to the same goal."

This finally gave the realistic version of Obito that explains what's going on with him. We see the additional connections with Rin, and understand that every time he believes that it's actually going to work, everything gets ripped away from him. THAT'S why he wanted to break Naruto before ending it. He wanted to prove to himself that giving up on the idealist hopes that he once had was still the right choice.

Also, when Naruto proves that it was his memories that held him together when the Juubi was tearing him apart was fucking awesome, and I like that we've finally gotten to the core of what went down with Kakashi Gaiden.


I have this sneaking suspicion that the Uchiha's ability to enter someone's inner world, like we saw with Sasuke entering Naruto's world way back when might come into play at some point, since Madara hasn't made his move yet.


X :neo:
 

Obsidian Fire

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The Engineer
Yeah, as much as it really looks like Obito could go either way, Madara is still out and about doing who-knows-what... although he seems to be more focused on Harashima at the moment...
 

Obsidian Fire

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The Engineer
Good storyteller = when you have no clue what will happen next in the story, but you know it's going to be awesome

Kishimoto is really good at timing things right. Overall he does a good job of not rushing through the important stuff that isn't at "exciting" to get to the flashy parts.
 

Obsidian Fire

Ahk Morn!
AKA
The Engineer
Given that we haven't seen what's happened with Obito yet... I'm thinking that's a no. We all kinda want to see a conclusion to the Obito has been behind all this since the beginning arc... and the issue of the Edo Tensai Hokage (and Madara) has to be addressed as well. They can't just stay "alive"... and Orochimaru... what's he up to? Still to many loose plots going on for there to be a timeskip just yet...

Then again, this is Kishimoto... so I'm throwing out all expectations about where we're going next in the story.

And this chapter is why I like Naruto so much. None of it's characters are perfect, all of them are capable of failing, and none of that is what is really important. What is important, is how people react when they fail. They can either give up on themselves (and everyone else to boot) or they can keep trying to not fail. There's no simple or easy fix for the world they are in, but they can try to make it better then it is. It's been pointed out by several characters that there isn't a very big difference between the "bad guys" and the "good guys" except for how they responded to the situations they found themselves in. The series has really matured over the 14 years it's been going, and in all the right ways.
 

X-SOLDIER

Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
X
It might be a longer hiatus than a week. Mangastream's translation suggests the beginning of the new year. I'll dig around for some more concrete information.


X :neo:
 

X-SOLDIER

Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
X
I think that's what came from the MangaStream translation.

I'd take it that Kishimoto wants to be able to have a little real vacation time over the holidays, in addition to the Madara battle probably going to be one HELL of a time to get all the artwork done for, so the hiatus is probably two-fold in that respect. I know I'll be missing it 'til the new year, but I'll have other things to keep me occupied.



X :neo:
 

skyrise

get cape. wear cape. fly.
Bring Madara on the front already; Obito sadly proved to be such a flop villain, that most of his arc consisted of sappy rin, RIIN, RIIIIIIIIIN!!111 flashback panels- yes, we get it you worshipped Rin and the extension of that was a complete absurd and stupid reasoning to destroy Konoha and everything else. (though, you ask me, Konoha needs a royal slap but not for the silly reasons Obito stated)

srsly, bring Madara on, it's already past due. only yay for the latest horrid chapters is that thankfully they didn't kill the best character on the series, Shikamaru the boss.
 
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