New site staff and Mod, TresDias/Squall_of_SeeD

[Makoeyes987]

I see a lot of repetition. And that's all.

Probably because there's nothing else to it. What do you think happened in terms of us appointing him? You think he bribed us with hookers and Colombian blow, so that he could turn this entire site into a George W. Bush Sr. shrine, and then sell it to Rupert Murdock for some quick cash so he can move to Costa Rica and start a diet pill pyramid scheme?

 

[Marauder]

No, I'm talking about in general. Everyone on staff keeps reiterating the same condescending bullshit.

@Mako - maybe not that, but I do think he sucked some cock.

 

[Celes Chere]

Again, how does finding another individual who had the same qualifications, skills, positive attitude, and experience random?

I know, I know. Quality over quantity and all that, but this is how it seems random. There are people who have been here for a long time who are JUST as good as Tres (perhaps even better), and then for members to log on and just see "Oh hay Tres is a Mod guys!!"--- it just seems like a random selection, okay? There are plenty of others with skills and positive attitudes and yet he, who is new to the site, is selected after only making 127 posts? That just doesn't make sense to me. Just because you know someone, doesn't mean they should automatically be made a Mod. Like... what about Aaron for instance? Tenny, like I said? What's wrong with them? Why does Tres post an essay or two, and just WIN? It's the fact that not a lot of members know him like you guys do, so they're kind of wondering who he is. Maybe if he had been here for more than a month or two (I could be exaggerating I'm not sure), members could have gotten to know him better so that the Mod isn't a mystery. O.o

Well thanks but that's your opinion. If we're looking for a member to fill the specific hole left behind by a previous staffer, and we find an experienced member who fills that space in every conceivable way possible and is qualified, then we're not going to let nepotism and popularity stop the person who's more qualified and the better choice stop us. That's the whole point of us exercising our judgment in the first place and evaluating how he works out.

Well yeah, of course it's my opinion! And I'm not trying to say Tres is a bad choice, or that he won't be a great Mod. I'm just wondering why him over other members who have been here longer, and have proven their worth more than enough times that he is selected out of them? I respect the choice that was made, because Tres isn't a bad guy. I don't think he will do terrible, either. I just think it makes more sense to choose someone that members are familiar with, and have suggested themselves. It's not like members are stupid simply because they aren't Staff. :c

And I do have to wonder, if they picked Tenyo, would people still be complaining?

I don't think ANYONE would be opposed to Tennyo. She's great.

 

[NoenGaruth]

But she wasn't the choice for filling in the hole we were looking to fill.

Hehe...that sounds dirty


Anyways I have to agree that Tres was a good choice, from what I've seen he's intelligent, polite and highly knowledgeable concerning FF7. Only flaw is I remember him saying he wouldnt mind a Denzel game which of course is herasy in these here parts.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I know, I know. Quality over quantity and all that, but this is how it seems random. There are people who have been here for a long time who are JUST as good as Tres (perhaps even better), and then for members to log on and just see "Oh hay Tres is a Mod guys!!"--- it just seems like a random selection, okay?

To think we'd take some guy off the street and appoint them as a mod, seems a bit ridiculous. I don't get why it's hard to understand we exercised our judgment in terms of finding someone to fill in the shoes left behind by a previous mod, and our choice was this member.

There are plenty of others with skills and positive attitudes and yet he, who is new to the site, is selected after only making 127 posts? That just doesn't make sense to me.

Because moderator appointment isn't a matter of entitlement, post count, or popularity. I don't understand how that would even be seen as fair. That's not how we even do things, especially if we're looking for another mod to fill in the spot another mod left behind. If we want someone to fill in the skills and shoes left behind by one staff member, we're gonna go for someone who meets the bill, regardless of if they're popular, have a post count above 1,000, or not.

Just because you know someone, doesn't mean they should automatically be made a Mod. Like... what about Aaron for instance? Tenny, like I said? What's wrong with them? Why does Tres post an essay or two, and just WIN? It's the fact that not a lot of members know him like you guys do, so they're kind of wondering who he is. Maybe if he had been here for more than a month or two (I could be exaggerating I'm not sure), members could have gotten to know him better so that the Mod isn't a mystery. O.o

Stop right there. The essays were not the deciding factor, and it'd be nice if you would stop bringing them up. It's been repeated numerous times all the way on the fourth page that was only part of the reason. Being a moderator isn't an entitlement. You've just refuted your own point. Just because you know someone, or they're popular, doesn't mean they should automatically be made a mod. We made our decision in terms of who we wanted it to be based on our criteria. We never made it about post count or popularity.

Well yeah, of course it's my opinion! And I'm not trying to say Tres is a bad choice, or that he won't be a great Mod. I'm just wondering why him over other members who have been here longer, and have proven their worth more than enough times that he is selected out of them? I respect the choice that was made, because Tres isn't a bad guy. I don't think he will do terrible, either. I just think it makes more sense to choose someone that members are familiar with, and have suggested themselves. It's not like members are stupid simply because they aren't Staff. :c

I'll repeat the reason why then:

Considering the fact we wanted to find someone who would be more than capable of filling the qualifications, skills, and posting ability of the mod before (i.e. Schala) Tres was the member who fit the bill, while also exhibiting those traits in the first place. That was our decision and reasoning for doing it. Again, how does finding another individual who had the same qualifications, skills, positive attitude, and experience random?

So there's the reason, in a nutshell.

 

[Alex]

High post count does not mean quality posts.

In my case it does, thats why I have so many thanks.

 

[Dashell]

I'm not going to address you entire post since it's all been addressed all ready but

Why does Tres post an essay or two, and just WIN?

It wasn't a contest XD
and people REALLY need to stop thinking his essays were why he was modded.

And I do agree that Tenyo or Aaron would have made good mods, but they didn't get the job. Tres did And that's... really all there is to it

No one complained when I modded him at TNC... of course I only had like 5 people to choose from

 

[Marauder]

Obviously we're proposing a popularity contest guys, let's get down to it!

 

[Ryushikaze]

@Aaron: You took a facetious rephrase a bit too literally, but yes, there have been numerous posts that have been said here, that elsewhere would be seen as blatant flames and grounds for suspension and banning.

Oh fantastic, more staff who have no experience working with the common forum user.

Or maybe we can all just act like bestest friends, suck up the staff, and be part of a hunky dory internet forum! Right!? DO I GET A GOLD STAR NAO!?

She didn't submit her essay on time.

Yes, I thought Tennyo would have made an awesome mod.

SE WILL CRUSH YOU

Tennyo would be a fail mod, she can't even speak Japanese. I mean, ffs how is somebody that incompetent supposed to relate to the sizeable and influential hardline nationalist Japanese bloc of TLS members.

I mean really.

Then what is the point of you interjecting yourself as the center of attention and contention then?

well, it's not like you know Japanese or write essays or anything.

I think staff didn't appoint Tennyo because she was a woman and they're a group of sexist cowboys on a power trip.

Really now, you're expecting a staff whose most active admin flames in virtually every fifth post he makes to enforce no-flaming rules?

It's because they don't like you, it means they'll be on your back more.

That well-respected, reknowned problem solving think tank that we all trust to not cock things up?

OMG MOG, you're really setting a good example for staff responding to members' criticisms and opinions.
Good lord, I wish every staffer were as intuitive and eloquent as you.

And fresh out of the oven, this lovely example.

No, I'm talking about in general. Everyone on staff keeps reiterating the same condescending bullshit.

@Mako - maybe not that, but I do think he sucked some cock.

I mean, if you people WANT us to be more heavy handed, I can go infract most of those, and you can complain about the tyranny instead for a change.

 

[Marauder]

MASSIVE EGO BOOST IS GO.

btw, none of those are flames. Good job

 

[Makoeyes987]

You know, considering you just insulted a mod you don't even know and who hasn't even done anything to you, you should probably quit spamming and trying to be antagonistic.

 

[Marauder]

It wasn't an insult. You're all reading between the lines when there aren't any words to read there.

And it appears that I'm succeeding at being antagonistic, there's no cause to say I'm 'trying' anymore.

 

[Makoeyes987]

It's pretty damn insulting to insinuate he preformed fellatio for his moderating position. Regardless of if you meant it literally or not, the unwarranted connotation that he isn't qualified next to such an insulting and vulgar statement, is pretty well...insulting.

 

[Celes Chere]

That's because TNC has the most random fucking Mods that make no sense at all. . . That, and no-one cares about TNC, lol.

You're a good Mod though there, Quexi. You're like the only one who DOES anything there. I've said this before.

Mako, my point was NEVER that high post counts = istant Mod. My point is that the members don't know Tres well, and that Members who have been here longer who are just as good, weren't chosen. I was wondering why, that's ALL. I never meant that someone with over 9,000 posts should be Admin. Because then you'd have to Mod Ali and she never posts anything anymore. The point is that 127 posts suggests that he hasn't been here that long- and he hasn't. You guys know him and that's cool (I've only heard stories and he seems pretty nice from the posts I've seen), but the members don't seem to. That's why it seems random to a lot of us. I never said it was a contest either, maybe I shouldn't have said "WIN" but I didn't know how else to say it. x'D Just think, you've been a member here a long time, you've been told countless times that you're posts are amazing, that you should be modded, and then a new person who you've seen post a handful of times in one section after joining gets the position? Would that make sense if to you? That's what I've been trying to say.

And I've never once said he was a bad choice or that he'd do bad. In fact I keep saying that he's a great guy. The biggest thing I think, is that Staff here seems to have ignored the members of the Forum on this one. What makes Ten/Aaron/Alex/Meggy/anyone else anyone has mentioned not qualified for the spot? You haven't really answered that at all. >.<

 

[Marauder]

It's pretty damn insulting to insinuate he preformed fellatio for his moderating position. Regardless of if you meant it literally or not, the unwarranted connotation that he isn't qualified next to such an insulting and vulgar statement, is pretty well...insulting.

Wow, what a roundabout way to say that it was an insult. Which is basically just a repeat performance of everything else you've said in this thread. Do I detect a pattern?

And I've never once said he was a bad choice or that he'd do bad. In fact I keep saying that he's a great guy. The biggest thing I think, is that Staff here seems to have ignored the members of the Forum on this one. What makes Ten/Aaron/Alex/Meggy/anyone else anyone has mentioned not qualified for the spot? You haven't really answered that at all. >.<

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure Tres will be great. What I'm not sure of is modding such a new member. At this point, it's like modding me. Which quite a few people would be opposed to. (amaga)

 

[Makoeyes987]

Mako, my point was NEVER that high post counts = istant Mod. My point is that the members don't know Tres well, and that Members who have been here longer who are just as good, weren't chosen.

Then they can get to know him. And sorry, but modship is not an entitlement, right, or guaranteed appointment. I don't care how nice, high your post count and membership length is. That's not how it works.

I was wondering why, that's ALL. I never meant that someone with over 9,000 posts should be Admin. Because then you'd have to Mod Ali and she never posts anything anymore. The point is that 127 posts suggests that he hasn't been here that long- and he hasn't. You guys know him and that's cool (I've only heard stories and he seems pretty nice from the posts I've seen), but the members don't seem to. That's why it seems random to a lot of us. I never said it was a contest either, maybe I shouldn't have said "WIN" but I didn't know how else to say it. x'D Just think, you've been a member here a long time, you've been told countless times that you're posts are amazing, that you should be modded, and then a new person who you've seen post a handful of times in one section after joining gets the position? Would that make sense if to you? That's what I've been trying to say.

It wouldn't make sense if the actual staff never said anything about the appointment, or made a statement as to when and why it happened.

And I've never once said he was a bad choice or that he'd do bad. In fact I keep saying that he's a great guy. The biggest thing I think, is that Staff here seems to have ignored the members of the Forum on this one. What makes Ten/Aaron/Alex/Meggy/anyone else anyone has mentioned not qualified for the spot? You haven't really answered that at all. >.<

Because they weren't the ones we were looking for in terms of members who's qualifications would fill in the position left behind by Schala. We wanted a member who was comparable to her previous abilities, membership, etc, to fill in that spot. There are no members who are automatically entitled to be mods. I've repeated that now 5 different times and it's as if its not even been read.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Then they can get to know him. And sorry, but modship is not an entitlement, right, or guaranteed appointment. I don't care how nice, high your post count and membership length is. That's not how it works.

Then may I also say it doesn't matter if you're a mod or not, because you'll still have to earn my respect, or is that a bannable offense?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Then may I also say it doesn't matter if you're a mod or not, because you'll still have to earn my respect, or is that a bannable offense?

Why would that be a bannable offense...? That's reality. Most people operate that way (and rightfully so), so why would that be a problem?

 

[Dashell]

That's because TNC has the most random fucking Mods that make no sense at all. . . That, and no-one cares about TNC, lol.

I care

You're a good Mod though there, Quexi. You're like the only one who DOES anything there. I've said this before.

shut up! You can't make me happy by saying nice things about me! so shut up!

But anyway:

Then may I also say it doesn't matter if you're a mod or not, because you'll still have to earn my respect, or is that a bannable offense?

I really don't think anyone is saying you have to love the guy right now . They just want you to give him a chance

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Why would that be a bannable offense...? That's reality. Most people operate that way (and rightfully so), so why would that be a problem?

I'm sorry, I should have ended that with so that it was clear I was joking.

 

[Marauder]

Why would that be a bannable offense...? That's reality. Most people operate that way (and rightfully so), so why would that be a problem?

Then you can understand when a lot of people say that they don't respect this decision. Of course there is going to be outcry.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Then you can understand when a lot of people say that they don't respect this decision. Of course there is going to be outcry.

If you don't respect the decision that's fine, and more than your right to. But if you're going to attack its validity, it'd be nice if you brought some valid reasons to the table, coupled with an understanding as to why said decision was made.

 

[Marauder]

I can't understand it if the reasons you've given have been complete bullshit. Sorry, find your ass-kissing elsewhere.

 

[Dashell]

Pbobos, can I ask who you would make a mod? Or in your opinion, what makes Tres NOT mod worthy? Just cause people don't know him?

 

[Makoeyes987]

I can't understand it if the reasons you've given have been complete bullshit. Sorry, find your ass-kissing elsewhere.

More like you don't agree, and can't think of any valid reasons to bitch about it, actually. For one, I couldn't care less if you or anyone kisses my or anyone else's ass here. Number two, the fact we as staff made our choice to make him a mod based on who he was, his experience in other FF communities we've been apart of, his past postings, contributions, helpful actions for our own projects, and positive attitude is more than enough reason in our eyes to see he is qualified to be on staff and fill the vacated spot of another good staffer we had before. It hardly amounts to bullshit, and if you really can't wrap your mind around such a judgment, then I don't know what else to tell you.

If you don't agree, that's fine, and your right. But it'd be nice if you gave a valid and constructive reason for said disagreement other than popularity, entitlement, and antagonism.