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Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
X
It especially odd when so many of the Reactors are seemingly far away from Shinra's ability to perform regular maintenance on them. I'll add this one up to the quotes. How're you finding all of the quotes?


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First of all I have generally good idea of the game's script, having talked to almost all NPCs and seen almost every scenario, so I can always find that spot in the game. Second, I sometimes take snapshots of interesting/funny quotes, which was the case with the mako maintenance quote.
I'm not getting them from any websites.
 
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Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
X
That's quite impressive to say the least :awesomonster:

Ya think that you could dig up some quotes about Gi Nattak, and the Gi tribe, and Nanaki's race's history? All the chat about the pre-Jenova FFVII universe in the compilation thread got me thinking about it.



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I'll try to look that up later, but for now I got some other quotes here.

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(Gossip guy in Kalm)
"I heard President Shinra was killed.
And his son Rufus, the new president,
was badly hurt."

"Heh, heh, heh......This is just between us.
I heard it was that
there Ava-whaddya call-ums that attacked
the President Shinra and his son."

We never get the impression in-battle that Rufus was considerably hurt. Just like with Reno; we only learn the fight on the pillar gave him injuries when Rude mentions it in the Mythril Mine.
The gossip guy's line is also interesting in contrast to Aeris's well-known line (though I recall hearing something about it being badly translated, I dunno)

Aeris
"I've heard that no one's ever
seen him bleed or cry."
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One of my FAVORITE characters in the game...
The studying Shinra grunt in the third floor of the military barracks in lower Junon.

(Shinra grunt)
"Mmm?
I'm not going to the parade."
"The road to becoming SOLDIER
First Class is very difficult."
...
"Ugh...My eyes are tired...
No, I've got
to really buckle down!"
"At least until I become SOLDIER First Class."
...
"Most of my rivals died
in the attack on Weapon."
"Oh, of course, I was here, studying."
"That coveted green officer's uniform
is almost in my reach."
"Then I'll be on the newspapers as a
plain clothed First Class officer
in SOLDIER..."

"Then make a triumphant return to my homeland!!
Tons of fan letters...
My future's peachy!"

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This difference between the PC and PSX is fairly well-known, but I post it anyway.

(PSX version)
Elena
"It really doesn't matter!
But you really got guts doin'
my boss in like that!"


(PC version)
Elena
"It really doesn't matter!
You really got guts messin'
my boss up like that!"


As many of us already knew, the PC version makes Tseng's survival less surprising.

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That's it for now. Got to go.
 

Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
AKA
Mog
Aeris
"I've heard that no one's ever
seen him bleed or cry."

For years I thought this was in reference to Sephiroth, because that would make fucking sense. Who gives a shit about Rufus bleeding or crying? He's a businessman. That's like saying no one's ever saw Bill Gates bleeding or crying.
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
Bill Gates isn't a badass who carries a sawed off shotgun with a Dark Nation or jumps from rooftops into mid-air helicopters.

Rufus is hard. Men wish they were Rufus Shinra.
 

Tetsujin

he/they
AKA
Tets
Bill Gates isn't a badass who carries a sawed off shotgun with a Dark Nation or jumps from rooftops into mid-air helicopters.

Rufus is hard. Men wish they were Rufus Shinra.

More men wish they were Cloud. They'd have some issues but those would come with a busty brunette. :awesome:
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
Rufus gets it on with Elena though. And everyone knows Elena > Tifa.
 

Smaddy

Green Mage
For years I thought this was in reference to Sephiroth, because that would make fucking sense. Who gives a shit about Rufus bleeding or crying? He's a businessman. That's like saying no one's ever saw Bill Gates bleeding or crying.
To be honest, that's what I always thought that quote meant too...

And men wish they were Cloud who wishes he was Zack who wishes he was... idk, with Aeris? XD
 

Smaddy

Green Mage
Hito cleared up that quote, & what it's supposed to mean.


X :neo:
Wow. Thank you for that. Geez... makes me wish even more for a retranslated script.

It's baffling to me, Square is a multimillion dollar company... and I assume FF7 was several million dollars to make (not even considering the later Compilation)... and they do a really shoddy job translating it. They don't even learn their lesson with later titles, either.

And not only is it a faulty translation, but I'm seeing now that a lot of the errors are in lines that are crucial to the storyline, ex: Tseng's fate, or how the Ancients traveled.

Square needs an English proofreader or better American beta testers to make sure things make sense and are spelled right. XD
 
I've just looked at the Cosmo Canyon files.

(Boy at fire place)
"This fire is called 'Cosmo Candle'.
It has burned for generations."
"It's a holy flame
that protects this canyon."
"I've heard it only went out once,
long ago."
(Most likely referring to the Gi tribe invasion)

That's all I could find. All the references to the attack on the canyon aren't really substantial.

Edit: Guess I might as well add this well-known line from Costa del Sol.

*Red XIII resting in the sun, his tail waving*
Red XIII
“Hm, that's interesting.”
“It's not as if I'm doing this because I
want to.”
“You see, this tail of mine, moves quite
independently of my will.”
 
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I can't believe I forgot to share this one; a personal favorite.

*when you enter the Ancient Temple*
[Red XIII]
“…sniff…sniff…
This place smells good.”
“It smells the same as Cosmo Canyon.”
 

X-SOLDIER

Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
X
I've just looked at the Cosmo Canyon files.

(Boy at fire place)
"This fire is called 'Cosmo Candle'.
It has burned for generations."
"It's a holy flame
that protects this canyon."
"I've heard it only went out once,
long ago."
(Most likely referring to the Gi tribe invasion)

That's all I could find. All the references to the attack on the canyon aren't really substantial.

Edit: Guess I might as well add this well-known line from Costa del Sol.

*Red XIII resting in the sun, his tail waving*
Red XIII
“Hm, that's interesting.”
“It's not as if I'm doing this because I
want to.”
“You see, this tail of mine, moves quite
independently of my will.”

Those're awesome. I'll add them up immediately.

Also - something interesting to not about his tail - I think that it might tie in to how Gi Nattak uses the Soul Fires to possess people. The Soul Fires might actually be capable of somehow extending the life of the beings that they inhabit - thus Nanaki's species long life span, and the GI managing to remain essentially undead. (obviously theory crafting for some ideas here). I'll add all the quotes up.

Does Hojo mention anything interesting about Nanaki's species aside from the fact that he's trying to combine ti with the Aerith to have a longer living sample to study (still one of the most odd things in all of FFVII imo)


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Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
AKA
Mog
Also - something interesting to not about his tail - I think that it might tie in to how Gi Nattak uses the Soul Fires to possess people. The Soul Fires might actually be capable of somehow extending the life of the beings that they inhabit - thus Nanaki's species long life span, and the GI managing to remain essentially undead. (obviously theory crafting for some ideas here).

Eh, respectfully, I don't think so.
 

X-SOLDIER

Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
X
Haha, it's a bit apparent that I'm trying to stretch on any little pieces of information that I can find for some ideas. xD


X :neo:
 

S and G

FFVII books and stuff
AKA
MJ Gallagher
A few pieces:

Marlene at Aerith’s house
Marlene: 'Guess what? Aerith was asking me lots of questions. Like what kind of person Cloud is. I bet she likes you.'


Kotch tied up in Corneo's basement
Kotch: 'Hey, you’re not them…you’re…please help me.'
(Help him)
Kotch: 'Thanks. You know what? After you left, some Shinra guys forced themselves in here saying things like ‘information leaked’ and ‘good for nothing’. They took the Don somewhere and that’s it…I’m still here. Oops, they’re here again. I’m outta here. See ya.'


Tifa’s father
Man: 'You’re from Shinra, right?'
Cloud: 'Yeah.'
Man: 'Geez, big-headed young kid.'

(or)

Man: 'You’re from Shinra, right?'
Cloud: 'Who are you?'
Man: 'I’m the town’s…Hey…aren’t you Cloud?'
Cloud: 'Do I know you?'
Man: 'Don’t you remember me?'
Cloud: 'You…you’re Tifa’s father.'
Man: 'That’s right. And I want you to stay away from my daughter. We don’t need Shinra’s help to protect our town.'


Gramps at Nibelheim Inn
Cloud: 'What’s the situation with the town?'
Gramps: 'A lot of monsters have been appearing in the last 12 months. Other than that, there’s not much change. Nothing much exciting happens in a little town like this. It was alright when they were building the Reactor…while they were still building it. But, since it’s been completed, it’s been bad. Within a few years, all the trees on the mountain withered away. I don’t know if the Reactor was good or bad…I mean, it’s easy to say that now, but what can you do about it? Anyway, we have to get rid of the monsters. Then, we’ll all be able to relax a bit.'


Letter to Tifa from son of General Store manager

Tifa, how are you?
I just arrived in Midgar eight days go. Yesterday, all of Nibelheim got together to welcome me. The only person that we couldn’t get a hold of was Cloud. But everyone said he wasn’t really that close to us. So even if we asked, he probably wouldn’t have come anyway. Well, enough about him.
Midgar is really something. But to tell the truth, I feel so behind on everything…so out of it. Even the rooms of people in the slums are clean. Right now I’m living in the Slums, but I plan to move to a really nice room like the ones I’ve seen in magazines once I get some money. But, to do that, I guess I have to find a job first.
That’s right, I still haven’t found a job yet. I lied to my parents and told them I found a great job with Shinra Inc. I wonder if it’s too late to go back. Sometimes I think I should have taken over my parents’ store. I just made it here to Midgar, but all I think about is Nibelheim. Hey, Tifa, is that stupid old water tower still working? Is the old man at the Inn doing well? Are my parents still at the shop everyday? Have any monsters attacked? And most of all…how are you, Tifa?
It feels like I haven’t seen you for years. We were all talking about you last night. Everyone likes you. But because everyone idolizes you, I couldn’t very well stab them in the back. I always acted cool, but actually, I was just afraid of being jilted. Wow, if I keep writing like this, this’ll become a love letter. So, I think I’ll stop here. Take care. I’ll write again.
P.S. Write me back, okay?


Sephiroth in Reactor
Sephiroth: ‘This is a system for condensing and cooling Mako energy. At least, it’s supposed to be.'

…

Sephiroth: ‘Ordinarily, yes. But Hojo put something else in here. Take a look.’
Cloud: ‘What is this?’
Sephiroth: ‘Standard members of SOLDIER, like you, are humans who have been exposed to Mako. You may be different from civilians, but you’re still human.’
Cloud: ‘But what’s with these guys?’
Sephiroth: ‘They’ve been exposed to extreme levels of Mako…nothing like the dosage that was done to you.’
Cloud: ‘So they’re monsters?’


Men in Kalm bar
Man 1: 'My old man was a miner, but he couldn’t go to work after the monsters started appearing in the Mythril Mine.'

Man 2: 'Me? I used to work in a coal mine down south called Mythril Mine. After the monsters started appearing, the business went to pot.'


Full Yuffie scenario

(incorrect choices speech in yellow)

*Lying on her back*

Yuffie: ‘Man, I can’t believe I lost…’ (Jumps up) ‘You spiky-headed jerk. One more time…let’s go one more time.’

Cloud: ‘Alright.’
Yuffie: ‘I won’t lose this time. Take your time and get ready. Holler when you’re ready.’


Cloud: ‘Not interested.’
Yuffie: ‘Thinkin’ of running away? Stay and fight!’ (shakes guard arm) ‘Fight, I said. C’mon…what’s the matter? You’re pretty scared of me, huh?’

Cloud: ‘You’re gonna lose again.’
Yuffie: ‘Wh…what? Now I’m really mad. Make fun of me, will ya? Just watch'


Cloud: ‘…petrified.’
Yuffie: (laughs) ‘Just as I thought. What do you expect with my skills? Good luck to you guys too. If you feel up to it, we can go another round. Later! I’m really gonna leave. Really.’

Cloud: ‘Go ahead.’
Yuffie: ‘Oh yeah? Then do whatever you want.’


Cloud: ‘Wait a second!’
Yuffie: ‘What is it? You still have somethin’ for me?’ So is that it? I know you want my help because I’m so good. You want me to go with you?’

Cloud: ‘You kiddin’?’
Yuffie: ‘Oh yeah? Then do whatever you want!’


Cloud; ‘…that’s right.’
Yuffie: ‘Heh heh…thought so. You put me in a spot. What should I do? But if you want me that bad, I can’t refuse. Alright, I’ll go with you.’

Cloud: ‘What’s your name?’
(Yuffie disappears, stealing gil)

Cloud: ‘Let’s hurry on.’ (walk off)
Yuffie: ‘Huh? Hey wait. I’m Yuffie. Good to meetcha. Heh…just as I planned. Now all I have to do is…a little this…and a little that…hey wait for me. Here, I’ll give you back the money I stole from you.'

(If at any point you choose the wrong option, this dialogue appears:
Barret: ‘She’s gone. So what was all that about?’



People of Gongaga

1: ‘No matter how much I pray, it won’t bring our grandson back. Three years ago when the Reactor exploded, my husband…Do people really need Reactors to live? Aren’t there more important things in life? People can live without the Shinra’s Mako reactors.’

2: ‘Shinra built the Reactor, without even thinking about the town’s safety. And, this is the result. One day, there was a huge explosion. many townspeople died in it. It’s been a while since the explosion, but you can still find pieces of it left all over town.’

3: ‘This is Gongaga village. Many people died here in a Mako Reactor explosion. The Shinra people told us that everyone would be happy once the Reactor was built. But, all it brought us was sadness…’


Zack's parents with Aerith and Tifa in party
Man: ‘You a traveler? Hey, wait, that glare in your eye…you in SOLDIER?’
Woman: ‘Oh, you’re right. Don’t you know anything about our son?’
Man: ‘His name is Zack.’
Woman: ‘It’s been close to ten years since he left for the city, saying that he didn’t want to live in the country…’
Man: ‘He left saying he’s going to join SOLDIER. You ever heard of a Zack in SOLDIER?’
Cloud: ‘Hmmm’ (frowns and thinks) ‘…I don’t know’
Aerith: ‘Zack…’
Man: ‘Young lady, do you know him?’
Woman: ‘I remember he wrote to us six or seven years ago saying that he had a girlfriend. Could that have been you?’ (Cloud turns to look at her and she quickly shakes her head)
Aerith: ‘That can’t…’ (leaves)
Tifa: ‘Zack…’ (leaves)
Cloud: ‘What happened to you two?’

Man: ‘Have you ever met someone in SOLDIER named Zack?’
Woman: ‘I can’t believe he hasn’t contacted us in ten years. After all, we’re his parents.’


Zack’s Letter

(translated from hidden files - apologies but I've forgotten who translated it)

To Dad and Mom,
How are you?
I'm sorry for suddenly rushing out of the village. The truth is that I really wanted to become a SOLDIER. I thought that saying that would worry you...I'll work hard as a SOLDIER.

P.S. I've managed to get a girlfriend.




JUST AS A TOTAL SIDE NOTE...

Has anyone ever wondered why President Shinra uses the phrase 'you must be the one who quit SOLDIER and joined AVALANCHE'? It's quite clearly wrong as Cloud was never in SOLDIER. Pisses me off every time.
 
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X-SOLDIER

Harbinger O Great Justice
AKA
X
Awesome! I'll add these up in a little bit.

Is there any real mention of Cloud's family anywhere in the game aside from the super brief conversations with his mom?


X :neo:
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
S and G said:
Has anyone ever wondered why President Shinra uses the phrase 'you must be the one who quit SOLDIER and joined AVALANCHE'? It's quite clearly wrong as Cloud was never in SOLDIER. Pisses me off every time.

I've wondered this myself. But since Shinra admits he doesn't actually remember him, I figured maybe that word had spread through the city of AVALANCHE recruiting an ex-SOLDIER. He looks like one, after all.
But it could be a error too, what do I know :monster:
 
(Note: All these are from the PC version.)
This line is interesting because I missed it for years and years, but it makes the final scene much less of a surprise. Talk to Red XIII at some point on the Highwind.

Red XIII
“Shinra only cares if things are good right now.”
“But, I plan to live for 500 years and
won't stand for that type of thinking.”

And I always liked this one too.

Vincent
“Hojo…what a queer fellow.”
“Such utter lack of scientific talent…
compared with the genius of Dr. Gast…”
“Lucrecia chose him in order to protect him.”
“Now I understand…
I understand…but…”

This one in Costa del Sol confounds me. Dont remember who says it.
“But a bunch of hardworking deckhands
like you wouldn't understand.”
“On the marine blue sea,
Gazing at the eternal skies
that seem to go on forever…
Gives you the feeling like
you're taking a nap on the wing of a Cessna.”
“It's the ultimate high!”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cessna_models
Interesting that they specify on an aircraft type like this.

Don't know if anything of the above is first-post-worthy. Here's a few funnies anyway.

*Have Cait Sith in party when finding Cloud in Mideel*
Cait Sith
“If Tifa were my nurse,
I'd switch places with
Cloud any day!

(And yes, that lack of a final quotation mark is true to the script)

*try to go north from Forgotten Capital when looking for Aeris*
Cid
“You thinkin' of going skiing?
If we wanna find Aeris,
we go THAT way!”

*having too little money for the inn at Upper Junon*
(Inn Keeper)
“Aw, knock it off already!
You don't have enough moolah!
No, you 'forget it'!”

...He seriously called money 'moolah'?

*talk to hostess in Junon pub*
“Hey G.I. Joe,
aren't you still on duty?”

So yeah, that's a few chuckles for ya.
 
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ForceStealer

Double Growth
Shdemp said:
This one in Costa del Sol confounds me. Dont remember who says it.
“But a bunch of hardworking deckhands
like you wouldn't understand.”
“On the marine blue sea,
Gazing at the eternal skies
that seem to go on forever…
Gives you the feeling like
you're taking a nap on the wing of a Cessna.”
“It's the ultimate high!”

That's the woman in a bikini lying on the wing of the seaplane at the docks

Shademp said:
*Have Cait Sith in party when finding Cloud in Mideel*
Cait Sith
“If Tifa were my nurse,
I'd switch places with
Cloud any day!

hahahahahaha:lol:, I agree.
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
Hey Shademp, I have a challenge for you.

In Mideel, on disc 2, when you play as Cid and find the rusty, old key, there's a door in one of the shops and if you try to open it, the key won't work, and he'll discover the door doesn't lead to anywhere. Then the shopkeeper will say something.

Can you find that line of dialogue please? It's rather...interesting.
 
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