Remake Interviews: Catch-all Thread

[Ite]

While I won't say this rationale is incorrect, and indeed may be broadly correct: I can confidently say that as someone who replays the original on the regular, this would not have been me. I'd have relished the last moment as much as the first.



That's a funny way to spell "dread."

February 1st and already my post of the year.

 

[KindOfBlue]

I can confidently say that as someone who replays the original on the regular, this would not have been me. I'd have relished the last moment as much as the first.

If that’s the case, I feel like whatever shape the remake takes should matter even less

 

[Nandemoyasan]

Idk; I have trouble listening to an entire album of my own songs these days (which I produced myself too), simply because I listened to them about 89,000 times while making them. So I kinda get where Kitase is coming from here. It's just like it's all burned into my brain at this point.

 

[Odysseus]

Reason I work on so many fan projects is because I'm so intimately familiar with the OG it's kind of hard to replay casually anymore lol.

 

[KindOfBlue]

Idk; I have trouble listening to an entire album of my own songs these days (which I produced myself too), simply because I listened to them about 89,000 times while making them. So I kinda get where Kitase is coming from here. It's just like it's all burned into my brain at this point.

Even looking at it as a consumer, I don’t really understand enjoying the same product over and over only to be so dissatisfied that a remake of that product doesn’t capture what I like about the original.

If I’m going to keep enjoying the original all the same, then I don’t think how the remake deviates should matter all that much. Retroactively affecting the original would be one thing, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here as far as we can tell.

 

[ForceStealer]

And once again people subscribe to the false dichotomy that the options were either meticulous 100% faithfulness, or time ghosts, multiverses, and the personification of fate.

I'd have been plenty excited to see how things were adapted in the vein of sections like the Wall Market. I don't even dislike the sidequest chapters that people moan so much about.

 

[Odysseus]

This is probably gonna come across overly hostile but honestly all I can say is that no, it didn't have to be one or the other, but we're here now. Probably best to just let it go if it bothers you that much.

 

[ForceStealer]

Probably best to let people make cheeky posts in reactions to things on a forum designed for discussion about said topic.

 

[KindOfBlue]

I'd have been plenty excited to see how things were adapted in the vein of sections like the Wall Market.

I think the point is that we still got those things anyways. Regardless of how people may feel about the new plot elements everything that we likely would’ve gotten in a remake without them is still very much present in the remake, probably minus the game being one part instead of three. For better or worse, the remake exists because the devs wanted to do something different, not just because they want to stroke their own nostalgia boners.

 

[ForceStealer]

I think the point is that we still got those things anyways.

Yes, we did, because things don't go off the rails until the end. But now we are past that point. And the further we go from that point, the less and less likely we are to get those. So that changes the emotion from "excitement" to "morbid curiosity," or as I would-have-thought-was-obviously-playful: "dread."

For better or worse, the remake exists because the devs wanted to do something different, not just because they want to stroke their own nostalgia boners.

Ok.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yes, we did, because things don't go off the rails until the end. But now we are past that point. And the further we go from that point, the less and less likely we are to get those

At this point, it's a matter of faith. Because the devs have said they intend to have things be faithful with some differences unique to the adaption and have repeated they want to include the most memorable and important elements of FFVII, not cut anything, but also add new mysteries to create an experience that is enjoyable for old and new fans alike.

And people either just ignore those repeated assurances and statements of intent or simply believe them to be false. I don't think it's less likely because I don't think they're lying nor was anything in part 1 so egregious or frightening to me to imagine that would happen.

It's faith now. Trust. The writers are either going to remain true to their word or they're lying or they're insane.

 

[ForceStealer]

And people either (1) just ignore those repeated assurances and statements of intent or (2) simply believe them to be false.

Or, (3) don't believe they can do it well with the table they've set.
I don't have much doubt that every noteworthy event in VII will, broadly, exist. My concern is less that Weapon just won't attack Junon or something, but more that Zack's gonna be the one to fire the cannon that blows of its head

But in any case, I was only posting my responses to a couple lines in the interview. Sheesh.

 

[KindOfBlue]

but more that Zack's gonna be the one to fire the cannon that blows of its head

I could see how changes along those lines would be off-putting if they actually had bearing on the OG’s version of events, but it seeing as they likely wouldn’t, it just seems about as inconsequential to me as Dragonball: Evolution butchering Dragon Ball at this point

 

[Makoeyes987]

But nobody wants a Dragonball Evolution.

So to be fair, being anxious about the new story being good is an understandable concern. It's very consequential, lol. Even if it bears no bearing on the OG, I know I certainly want the Remake to continue being good.

 

[ForceStealer]

Yeah, using Dragonball Evolution as an example of why I shouldn't dread remake changes is certainly a choice.

 

[Kain424]

Zack's gonna be the one to fire the cannon that blows of its head

I might actually like it if the player were somehow able to impact this event in some way. Of course, it would depend upon its execution.

 

[KindOfBlue]

But nobody wants a Dragonball Evolution.

So to be fair, being anxious about the new story being good is an understandable concern. It's very consequential, lol. Even if it bears no bearing on the OG, I know I certainly want the Remake to continue being good.

Yeah, using Dragonball Evolution as an example of why I shouldn't dread remake changes is certainly a choice.

Maybe people wanting a remake of a perfectly playable and accessible game in the first place strikes at the core of my issue with modern media in general but that’s neither here nor there…

I’m saying that if you hold the OG in such high regard, then the remake could turn out as awful as Dragonball Evolution did and it wouldn’t and shouldn’t make a difference. The OG won’t stop being the OG no matter where the remake goes, just as Dragonball Evolution didn’t tank the whole Dragon Ball franchise or anything.

If the OG is your definitive FF7, then hold on to that. If the remake completely changes the original story, your FF7 will still be your FF7 and the world will keep spinning. I don’t dread it any more than I dread any other crappy adaptation of a beloved property (which I think fans overreact to way too much by the way). The stuff I like is over here and that other stuff is over there.

Now if the devs came out and said “yeah we’re retconning the OG so that now Aerith was never dead”, then I’d be right there with you. Otherwise, I don’t see what negative difference it makes to my enjoyment of FF7.

 

[Ite]

It may bring joy, it may bring fear, but let us embrace whatever it brings…

Unless it’s fear, then you should strawman, gaslight, and tactically misunderstand those people. Simp or get fucked am I right?

 

[KindOfBlue]

Unless it’s fear

Fear of what?

If it turns out badly, it’ll very disappointing but so it goes with video games. I dislike a lot of things but I’ve got very little energy to spare on getting upset about them, we’re talking about two different things here.

then you should strawman, gaslight, and tactically misunderstand those people. Simp or get fucked am I right?

The irony of typing this while doing the same to me isn’t lost on me but I guess I should’ve clarified the obvious, that nobody has to like anything they don’t like.

I’d prefer if a large chunk of Crisis Core just didn’t exist, and that stuff actually did affect the OG. But it is what it is. I’m just saying there’s no sense letting the remake ruin our enjoyment of FF7 if we love the OG as much as we do. Life is slightly less distressful that way, is all.

 

[Golden Ear]

Maybe people wanting a remake of a perfectly playable and accessible game in the first place strikes at the core of my issue with modern media in general but that’s neither here nor there…

I’m saying that if you hold the OG in such high regard, then the remake could turn out as awful as Dragonball Evolution did and it wouldn’t and shouldn’t make a difference. The OG won’t stop being the OG no matter where the remake goes, just as Dragonball Evolution didn’t tank the whole Dragon Ball franchise or anything.

If the OG is your definitive FF7, then hold on to that. If the remake completely changes the original story, your FF7 will still be your FF7 and the world will keep spinning. I don’t dread it any more than I dread any other crappy adaptation of a beloved property (which I think fans overreact to way too much by the way). The stuff I like is over here and that other stuff is over there.

Now if the devs came out and said “yeah we’re retconning the OG so that now Aerith was never dead”, then I’d be right there with you. Otherwise, I don’t see what negative difference it makes to my enjoyment of FF7.

I feel lucky that I'm relatively chill about the outcome, I definitely don't want Rebirth to suck but when something isn't my responsibility and out of my hands I just kickback and wait to see what it's like. I would have way more anxiety if I were in charge of making the game.

I agree with the sentiment that the OG is always there because that's genuinely how I feel, nothing can take that away from me. However, how other people feel about it is none of my business and I don't think it does any good to tell others how they should or should not feel. It just creates animosity, and we're all free to feel whatever way we want about it.

 

[cold_spirit]

Shiiit, and last week I said to myself "just stay out of it Cold".

Today on TLS:
If you like Remake you're a simp.
If you don't you're a purist grinch.

This cold war between you three, in different threads and in different months, is getting old.

Blue, just stop responding to Force and Ite. You can't be so insistent. The more you argue, the firmer you're making their stance. Remake isn't for them and that's fine. Let 'em troll, they just hang out here outta habit anyway.

Force and Ite, read the room. You're on a FFVII dedicated forum in the lead up to the next big release. Don't pull the "can't anyone take an opinion" card when some fans aren't receptive to your negativity. While Blue's argument is repetitive, yours is no better. We get that you don't like what Remake did. It's not funny or enlightening anymore.

Honestly all, it's been three years. I don't like the direction Kingdom Hearts went in, but you won't find me being snarky about it on the KH Insider forums. I've moved on. You've said your piece. Now try letting it go, please.

 

[Kain424]

Or maybe let's get into a healthy, "Let's wait and see" type of mindset.

 

[looneymoon]

Hollow would have been better if it was a screamo track or had white boy rap feature I am completely serious.

 

[ForceStealer]

I’m saying that if you hold the OG in such high regard, then the remake could turn out as awful as Dragonball Evolution did and it wouldn’t and shouldn’t make a difference. The OG won’t stop being the OG no matter where the remake goes, just as Dragonball Evolution didn’t tank the whole Dragon Ball franchise or anything.

If the OG is your definitive FF7, then hold on to that.

I've never expressed concern over the "ruining" of the original FF7. I've posted many times on the forum over the years before the remake that I have my copy and it's not going anywhere. So I don't understand where you're getting this idea that I'm being protective of the OG from. Are you confusing me with someone else? Everything I've posted in this thread and everywhere else is out of a desire for the Remake to be good. Because...I want to play a good game, and I think that approachign the story the way most of the Remake did is the best way to accomplish that. Why is this weird?

Dragonball Evolution is a silly comparison to make because Dragonball Evolution, itself, sucked. Not because it had any affect on the original show. So what is your point?

 

[Ite]

Shiiit, and last week I said to myself "just stay out of it Cold".

Today on TLS:
If you like Remake you're a simp.
If you don't you're a purist grinch.

This cold war between you three, in different threads and in different months, is getting old.

Blue, just stop responding to Force and Ite. You can't be so insistent. The more you argue, the firmer you're making their stance. Remake isn't for them and that's fine. Let 'em troll, they just hang out here outta habit anyway.

Force and Ite, read the room. You're on a FFVII dedicated forum in the lead up to the next big release. Don't pull the "can't anyone take an opinion" card when some fans aren't receptive to your negativity. While Blue's argument is repetitive, yours is no better. We get that you don't like what Remake did. It's not funny or enlightening anymore.

Honestly all, it's been three years. I don't like the direction Kingdom Hearts went in, but you won't find me being snarky about it on the KH Insider forums. I've moved on. You've said your piece. Now try letting it go, please.

Believe it or not, I actually quite agree. Other than the occasional sarcastic quip, I have tried to curtail my bitching about Remake and have largely enjoyed moving on to joshin around in the Discord or enjoying the rare post about the OG here on the forums.

Force is quite able to defend himself even if he was dogpiled, but Blue absolutely couldn’t let it go, and was rude and frankly dishonest in their response. That’s why I piped up.

Edit: just adding that perhaps the reason that Force was dogpiled in the first place is because I expressed support for his post. Y’all jumped down his throat as if he were me. We are, actually, not the same person and we disagree often about Remake.