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[Ⓐaron]

So only count the suggestions that we implement/listen to, that support your point?

My fault for not properly explaining my criteria. I wasn't expecting my post to be picked apart this pedantically, but then again, I forgot where I was posting and whom I was criticising, so that's my fault.

Even though we've listen to said suggestion and did it because that's what members expressly wanted. Why does it even matter if its temporary or not.

Because it's the sort of thing you don't have to bother with on a year-round basis. I already explained this. It's not going to raise activity on a permanent basis.

If that's what they want, go for it. And it's hardly temporary if its a yearly occurrence, which we were thinking of doing, especially with the creation of pixelated trophies and shit, like on ACF.

Fair enough, but it still doesn't do a damn thing for eleven months out of the year.

Right, even though most of the shit here on the forum is here due to users asking for it and suggesting it. Okay.

Yeah, 4+ months ago. And most of that after users repeatedly begged and wheedled for it.

 

[Alex]

Also, some thoughts:

Have people play through a section of the game at a time and then reflect on their experiences, thoughts on how the story is progressing, whether or not it was a good or poor part of the game. The same way that who would disect and criticise a chapter of a novel or TV episode.

Well that definitely sounds like a really good idea. I'd definitely would like to see your thoughts doing that for example.

It would be similar to a Let's Play, except instead of one guy waffling inanely over the game as he plays it through. The people that have volunteered to do this replay play through a section of the game, say The Mako Reactor to the arrival at the AVALANCHE HQ. Once that section is completed, people are free to share their experiences playing it through again, which bits they thought worked well in the context of the story and which bits didn't, how much they levelled up by, possible ways in which what happens has tied into the compilation, etc. All the things that the people on this forum love talking and debating about, except its been organised into chronological order.

It could be promoted on the front page too, encouraging more people to get involved in revisiting the classic FFVII since most people have been preoccupied with ACC, Crisis Core and Dissidia recently.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Do the shoutbox.chatbox, but i aint being drawn into no piss rows or shit, and no warnings for me in this shoutbox thing, i say what i want basicaully.

I'm sure staff will be perfectly willing to exempt you from standards for member conduct given your stellar track record to date on this forum.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Honestly, I'd be open to allowing Chit Chat to live, but its moderation rules would be tweaked, as Road suggested.

Anyways, if Yop's cool with that, he can start implementing that tomorrow or something and we can move on from this.

@User Name

Well you'd still have to adhere to the forum rules on the chatbox. It's not a "lawless" zone. So yeah, no flaming and shit there either.

 

[Alex]

My vote?

Kill General Fuckery.

Oh you

 

[Makoeyes987]

My fault for not properly explaining my criteria. I wasn't expecting my post to be picked apart this pedantically, but then again, I forgot where I was posting and whom I was criticising, so that's my fault.

Dude, if you're going to pedantically and antagonistically point figures at people for not doing what you perceive to be right, it'd be nice if you narrow down and specify what it is you're complaining about. Especially when it's not true off its initial premise.

Because it's the sort of thing you don't have to bother with on a year-round basis. I already explained this. It's not going to raise activity on a permanent basis.

Fair enough, but it still doesn't do a damn thing for eleven months out of the year.

Wasn't it also about pleasing the members too?

Yeah, 4+ months ago. And most of that after users repeatedly begged and wheedled for it.

So again, you think we should just say "SURE WHY NOT?" without any thought or discussion? Are staff to just be yes men, and not discuss their thoughts and sometimes misgivings on an idea? That doesn't make sense at all.

 

[Username]

i'll flame if people piss me off which will happen when i enter..just as long as your prepared for this all the time.

 

[Makoeyes987]

i'll flame if people piss me off which will happen when i enter..just as long as your prepared for this all the time.

And we'll subsequently warn and/or ban you

...just as long as you're prepared for this all the time.

 

[Username]

2 shay. but like look into it i say, not just me all the time, people do piss me off here.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Dude, if you're going to pedantically and antagonistically point figures at people for not doing what you perceive to be right, it'd be nice if you narrow down and specify what it is you're complaining about. Especially when it's not true off its initial premise.

I already said it was my fucking fault for not being more specific, what more do you want? If you're going to be bitchy about this then forget the whole thing.

Wasn't it also about pleasing the members too?

I'm pretty certain I haven't brought that up in this discussion. Maybe others did but my main concern has been with doing whatever generates the most interesting conversation and activity.

My concerns with pleasing the members mostly have to do with overall moderation policy, which have nothing to do with this discussion - this is forum administration.

So again, you think we should just say "SURE WHY NOT?" without any thought or discussion? Are staff to just be yes men, and not discuss their thoughts and sometimes misgivings on an idea? That doesn't make sense at all.

Again, stop putting words into my mouth, I didn't say that. My point is that a large number of suggestions for how to improve activity about this place have been shot down without any real discussion. This has been one of them - though it looks like you're reversing your stance, so kudos where merited.

 

[Alex]

i'll flame if people piss me off which will happen when i enter..just as long as your prepared for this all the time.

Oh shit man, this bad boy means it. When he enters the shout box business is about to pick up.

 

[Ⓐaron]

2 shay. but like look into it i say, not just me all the time, people do piss me off here.

boo hoo. Most of us manage to deal with people who piss us off fine without flaming

 

[Username]

it will, but i wont start it.

 

[Ⓐaron]

it will, but i wont start it.

Judging on past behaviour, I strongly doubt that

 

[Username]

well i wont be warned because i wont flame, thats the main reason i get warned.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I already said it was my fucking fault for not being more specific, what more do you want? If you're going to be bitchy about this then forget the whole thing.

Dude, you snarkily insulted me and the staff over my last post, don't be surprised if its brought up that that's what you were doing.

I'm pretty certain I haven't brought that up in this discussion. Maybe others did but my main concern has been with doing whatever generates the most interesting conversation and activity.

Well you were agreeing with them, so I thought that was part of your premise too.

My concerns with pleasing the members mostly have to do with overall moderation policy, which have nothing to do with this discussion - this is forum administration.

Fair enough, but in a discussion about us taking suggestions and listening to members, I'd definitely see it as pertinent to mention that we implemented a suggestion they saw as a fun way to celebrate our yearly anniversary. If we were the nazis you were portraying us as in terms of not listening to the members, we'd have just said "FUCK YOU GUYS, NO" and closed the thread.

Again, stop putting words into my mouth, I didn't say that. My point is that a large number of suggestions for how to improve activity about this place have been shot down without any real discussion. This has been one of them - though it looks like you're reversing your stance, so kudos where merited.

A large number? It's happened but I'd say a majority of the time, a change is announced and/or discussed to some extent.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

well i wont be warned because i wont flame, thats the main reason i get warned.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Look bitches, this bickering about what's been done in the past is irrelevant.

GF is going to be closed whether we set up a shoutbox or not, that decision has been made already. And, as you can see, no one has really cared to make any objections regarding the closure, other than Aaron. Personally, I don't care for the section. I have FCF an FFOF to post at to fulfill my Spam needs.

And hell, threads on FFOF and FCF get more action than General Fuckery, there's only like two threads in the section that garnered more than a 100 posts.

However, the Chit Chat thread has been the only place getting consistent activity for the most part...and it's a blatant spam thread. With the addition of a shoutbox, that's all this place needs, imho.

 

[Alex]

Tbf I'm with Road. If I want to post spammy posts then I don't need a specific section set out for me to do it in. Thats always been my stance on it and why I never bothered arguing one way or the other for a spam section on TLS.

 

[Username]

there may as well not be the chit chat thread, because the shoutbox will become the chit chat thread.

 

[Alex]

Also, for Mako's benefit: http://thelifestream.net/forums/showpost.php?p=176263&postcount=127 Since he missed it. Again.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Dude, you snarkily insulted me and the staff over my last post, don't be surprised if its brought up that that's what you were doing.

Describing the staff's usual behaviour over exchanges like these is a snarky insult now? Mmkay. You're the staff member here, you're supposed to be the bigger man.

Well you were agreeing with them, so I thought that was part of your premise too.

You thought.

Fair enough, but in a discussion about us taking suggestions and listening to members, I'd definitely see it as pertinent to mention that we implemented a suggestion they saw as a fun way to celebrate our yearly anniversary. If we were the nazis you were portraying us as in terms of not listening to the members, we'd have just said "FUCK YOU GUYS, NO" and closed the thread.

Saying "FUCK YOU GUYS, NO" in a thread you started asking for suggested would have been really fucking stupid. I may not have a particularly high opinion of TLS's staff right now, but even you guys are above that.

A large number? It's happened but I'd say a majority of the time, a change is announced and/or discussed to some extent.

"A large number" in one case and "a majority" on the other are not mutually exclusive. The fact that it's happened at all indicates that something's severely wrong.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Also, for Mako's benefit: http://thelifestream.net/forums/showpost.php?p=176263&postcount=127 Since he missed it. Again.

Yeah, thanks for posting that, I didn't see it.

Does anyone have a youtube account or whatever? If they could make a playthrough of FFVII and all, and share their thoughts or whatever, that would actually be cool. Kinda like a user commentary for the game with other members contributing or what not. That'd be fun.

 

[Ⓐaron]

GF is going to be closed whether we set up a shoutbox or not, that decision has been made already. And, as you can see, no one has really cared to make any objections regarding the closure, other than Aaron.

Alex objected to it too, but I guess you guys ignored that. Then again he retracted his objection after you made that post.

 

[Alex]

The objection still stands as to why I think its a bad idea to close GF. It just doesn't happen to effect me personally