So which hero got the shaft?

[Makoeyes987]

I enjoyed all of the Destiny Odyssey's, don't get me wrong. But I'm sure someone probably feels some characters didn't get as good of a storyline as others did. Either due to the length, presentation, or whatever.

For me, it really seemed like Destiny Odyssey IX and V were probably the weakest. Zidane's story felt like it should've had more given the theme of life, existence, and memories regarding the Crystals and spirit energy. I wanted more references to life, rather than just friendship and counting on your friends.

Spoiler

Kuja and Zidane's most deep and meaningful interaction only happened in Shade Impulse, really. The rest of the time just seemed...goofy.

As for Destiny Odyssey V, Bartz just...he didn't really seem to do anything. I mean, Bartz is silly and all but I mean, how the hell can he wield the Brave Blade if he's constantly running away from everyone?

Or maybe that knife he has on his side is also the Chicken Knife.

I dunno, I just expected more from Bartz beside his one badass moment fighting ExDeath alone.

So yeah, discuss

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

I agree with you on Zidane's story being the weakest. I actually kinda enjoyed Bartz's, I thought it really captured his carefree attitude without making him seem like a wimp. I never got the impression he was running because he was scared, more he just didn't want to fight. The man has shit to wander through after all.

But Zidane's just kinda seemed like a total switch in character. Aside from that one scene in Pandemonium, Zidane was the one who kept the group together. Hell, he was the one who supported others and led them all to saving the world and such. I know the Pandemonium scene where he doubts his friends is important, but why base a large portion of his story around that in Dissidia? Maybe I'm just remembering wrong, but isn't that all Zidane did? Stress over his friends?

It does seem to be a logical 'Zidane-reaction' if he WERE separated from his friends, but I was hoping for more.

 

[Celes Chere]

I agree with you BOTH about Zidane. He's a great character, and I was really disappointed with the way he was in Dissidia. I also agree that it seemed like a switch in character, too. I didn't really feel like it was Zidane in the game... just really sloppily thrown together lines put to someone who looked like him. I know this is about the heroes, but Kuja seemed out of character for me too. They just really fucked up on IX. ;

I mean... "I need my bait for Zidane fishing"? I can't imagine Kuja saying something that retarded. Like, EVER.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well, Kuja was always jealous over Zidane. That didn't feel out of character to me at all. He loved humiliating him and proving himself as the better Genome.

But yeah, the whole thing with Zidane just..didn't feel right. It wasn't as satisfying. Their Shade Impulse confrontation was better.

Zidane's conflict basically being summed up as just 'worry for his friends' just felt weak. There should've been more.

And while Bartz was carefree, he wasn't an airhead. In FFV, when the shit hit the fan, he was pretty badass and a no-nonsense adventurer. He wasn't the type to just shy away from a fight. Remember Kelgar the werewolf? He fought him without a second thought to prove himself. Bartz would get in your face if he had to.

Just seemed a bit silly for him to just constantly run and run and run. I get running away from an Ultimecia, Mateus, and Sephiroth gang bang, but Golbez? "I don't have time to play with you ExDeath?" Naw.

 

[Celes Chere]

Oh, I know. It's just his way of expressing it that irked me. Kuja has always been more intelligent and well, dignified. In this game it felt like he was dumbed down.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I think Kuja came off more intelligent and dignified because he was the one in control and had the most power.

Considering he's amongst peers of his who are considerably older, wiser, and way more evil...well...he not only felt inferior being the n00b to the side of Chaos, but Ultimecia went out of her way to pick on him and make him feel as if his existence didn't matter. Cue inferiority complex and angst.

 

[The Darkest Light]

I agree. Zidane doesn't sound like himself. He's one of the characters in Dissidia that dissapointed me. His attitude..... it changed. It's not the carefree Zidane I know anymore. Kuja was the perfect villain for him.

Besides, I heard that he was trying to flirt with Ultimecia in Squall's (and his own) story. I mean, what the fucking hell?!

 

[Ryushikaze]

I agree. Zidane doesn't sound like himself. He's one of the characters in Dissidia that dissapointed me. His attitude..... it changed. It's not the carefree Zidane I know anymore. Kuja was the perfect villain for him.

Besides, I heard that he was trying to flirt with Ultimecia in Squall's (and his own) story. I mean, what the fucking hell?!

That IS in his character, though. Man's a flirt. He copped a feel of Garnet's ass and commented on its softness.

But yes, he felt off.

 

[Alex Strife]

I think a big part of Zidane's off-character is his english voice. Japanese sounds more carefree as he is.

 

[The Darkest Light]

^I agree. His japanese voice may sound like a girl (he IS voiced by a girl anyway), but I think it's much better than the english voice.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Romi Park is amazing, kthx

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

I don't think you can blame it all on the voice though. I feel the English VA did a good job, perhaps not AS good, I haven't heard enough of the Japanese to say, but his character just basically changed.

Also, am I the only one that thought no one cared about Cecil aside from Golbez? In every other story, the characters mix, mingle and angst to one another, but not Cecil. He has a few scenes looking pretty with Cloud, Firion and Tidus, then just kinda vanishes. Thoughts?

 

[Alex Strife]

It's not like you would blame it all on the voice, but I think it's a big thing. I was massively disappointed with his English VA, honestly. Thought it didn't sound like him at all...

 

[Makoeyes987]

Huh? I thought Cecil had plenty of good moments and screentime..alone and with the other characters.

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

Mind refreshing my memory? All I remember is the Great Golbez Hunt...

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Onion Knight got more screen time than Zidane?

What a world!

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Cecil got shafted. They turned him into some helpless whiner who flies into emo-ness whenever Golbez shows up. I get that his storyline is about him torn between his brother and his duty, but they could have shown that without making him a wimp.

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

Cecil got shafted. They turned him into some helpless whiner who flies into emo-ness whenever Golbez shows up. I get that his storyline is about him torn between his brother and his duty, but they could have shown that without making him a wimp.

I agree, but let's be honest with ourselves, which hero wasn't at least a little wimpy. Warrior of Light. Squall. That's about it. Yay for strong heroes!

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I dunno, Zidane was pretty consistent with the ass beatings. Cloud was too, except for the little 'mental manipulation by Sephiroth' thing. Bartz as well.

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

I dunno, Zidane was pretty consistent with the ass beatings. Cloud was too, except for the little 'mental manipulation by Sephiroth' thing. Bartz as well.

Bartz was consistent with ass beatings because he fought pretty much no one. But I agree, he did a good job more or less.

Zidane I can't agree with, mainly because all he did was worry about Bartz who...was fine.

And Cloud, while I liked his story and thought it was pretty fitting for him, you can't really call him a strong hero. He's flawed, that's why he's as popular as he is.

Keep in mind I meant mental strength/strength of commitment. All the heroes can fight well when need be, they just kinda complain before it happens.

 

[Makoeyes987]

How's Cecil a wimp for having a heart and caring about his brother, when before he wanted to kill his ass? Jesus, a man's still a man when having a heart.

The fucker curbstomped ExDeath for Christ's sake. Calling Cecil a wimp flies in the face of reason.

 

[ForceStealer]

And Cloud, while I liked his story and thought it was pretty fitting for him, you can't really call him a strong hero. He's flawed, that's why he's as popular as he is.

And yet looked up to by almost all the other heroes. True he's the oldest, but they are all impressed by his leadership ability. He doesn't really angst in Dissidia (since its after VII), he just wanted to be sure they weren't just being tricked and used - and he was kinda right.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I love how Cloud told Sephiroth to shut up in Shade Impulse when he started trying to mind fuck him after he beat him.

~*~​

Sephiroth: What is it..that drives you?

Cloud: Myself.

Sephiroth: You don't exist anywhere...

Cloud: ENOUGH! Looking for a reason to fight...wandering around for a reason. Those are all MY choices. I'm not tied to you anymore! Get a hobby you freak!

Sephiroth.....Hmph. But my shadow is burned into your heart.. Nyah nyah, fgt! *poofs away*

Cloud: Dick.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

How's Cecil a wimp for having a heart and caring about his brother, when before he wanted to kill his ass? Jesus, a man's still a man when having a heart.

Play through his storyline and count the number of times he calls out "brother!", and mopes because of something Golbez told him. How many times did Cecil mope in FF4? I count about four times - when he returned from Mysidia, sort of when he burned Mist, when he went back to Mysidia, and at the Giant of Babil when he finds out Golbez is his brother.

If they wanted to capture the spirit of the original, they should have done this.

Have Cecil devoted to Cosmos and defeating Golbez. He knows Golbez is his brother, but tries not to think about the implications and forces it out of his mind so he can consider Golbez nothing more than an enemy. Golbez's actions would disrupt Cecil's attempts to think of him as evil and demonstrate his good side, causing Cecil to question his course of action in opposing him.

That's the Cecil I remember - honorable and righteous, things get to him but he tries not to let it show, and questioning the mortality of his actions.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Play through his storyline and count the number of times he calls out "brother!", and mopes because of something Golbez told him. How many times did Cecil mope in FF4? I count about four times - when he returned from Mysidia, sort of when he burned Mist, when he went back to Mysidia, and at the Giant of Babil when he finds out Golbez is his brother.

God forbid a guy be troubled! Every hero moped in their story. That's the point. They have an internal struggle to over come and thus rise above it. Cecil's an angsty guy by default. He angsts a hell of a lot more than that. He angsted over Rosa being kidnapped by Golbez and also having the Desert fever as well. And he worries about bringing her with him to the moon as well. He's a worrisome guy. Bullpies.

Have Cecil devoted to Cosmos and defeating Golbez. He knows Golbez is his brother, but tries not to think about the implications and forces it out of his mind so he can consider Golbez nothing more than an enemy. Golbez's actions would disrupt Cecil's attempts to think of him as evil and demonstrate his good side, causing Cecil to question his course of action in opposing him.

Yeah, that'd work too. But they went the other way which clearly mirrors his new line of thinking in "The After" where he actually cares about Golbez already and wants to treasure him as a brother, rather than see him as the demon he was back during FFIV.

That's the Cecil I remember - honorable and righteous, things get to him but he tries not to let it show, and questioning the mortality of his actions.

The guy let everything show dude. He was not some stoic badass akin to Kenshiro. He was the first troubled, and internally torn hero of FF. He's Cloud's grandfather.