So will Vincent age again?

[wayfarer]

In a logical story telling point of view, vincent should continue to age as part of his closure. he can get on with his life and stop dwelling in the past, mentally and physically now that he's aging.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

It can continue to be debated whether or not Vincent should age, but it should also be acknowledged that the issue of whether or not he will age has already been answered by Vincent in Case of Nanaki, as discussed in this thread: Any news on the new OTWTAS entries?. Whether or not Vincent was correct about what he said would be a more appropriate debate at this point.

Also—

No..Vincent does not have Jenova cells. By the time Vincent was experimented on, they hadn't begun putting Jenova cells to make SOLDIERs and shit.

This isn't really a valid reason why Vincent couldn't have Jenova cells in him, since even though they weren't putting Jenova in SOLDIER, we do know they were experimenting with it. Right in front of him, in fact. It's a valid assumption for people to believe Hojo stuck Jenova cells in Vincent because they were at the Jenova Project.

I'd say that Vincent didn't get called to the Jenova Reunion (or DID he? ) is more compelling evidence against Vincent having Jenova cells.

 

[ForceStealer]

The original FFVII shows he has four, and it's just another sad example of bad DC gameplay design choices.

As easy a bandwagon as that is to join, I wouldn't be too hard on DC here. The blatant ripoffs that his other two monsters are wouldn't have been the nods to famous characters like they were in FF7, they'd just be dumb. If they had included four, they would have completely redone them. In which case they would be "retconning" it anyway.

 

[wayfarer]

Note: In Case of Nanaki, Vincent said he was immortal. Whether this will change since he no longer has Chaos is unknown. But, since this was written long after DoC was made, its safe to assume the writers intend for Vincent to still be immortal.

 

[ForceStealer]

Not it isn't, the book is set before DoC. I personally think he's still ageless since Hojo did that to him, not Chaos, but you can't use the book as evidence for that.

 

[wayfarer]

I said the book was WRITTEN after DoC. Which means the writers came up with the concept, wrote it, and released it after DoC.

 

[ForceStealer]

But so what? That doesn't mean they intend for him to be immortal, it just means that he was definitely immortal while he still had Chaos and did not expect to lose it.

 

[wayfarer]

They wouldn't have him say "I'll live forever." If he was gonna stop a year later. I'm not saying this is the most conclusive evidence I've seen and may very well not mean anything, but if I was the writer, I would intend for this to mean that Vincent WILL live forever.

 

[ForceStealer]

That's like saying because Zack sees Vincent in his coffin in Crisis core, and since Crisis Core was made after Dirge, that they really intended for Vincent to still be in the coffin in the present.

 

[wayfarer]

That's like saying because Zack sees Vincent in his coffin in Crisis core, and since Crisis Core was made after Dirge, that they really intended for Vincent to still be in the coffin in the present.

No that is completely different, because we KNEW Vincent would get out of the coffin in FFVII. Since we already knew he would get up, Vincent's appearance in CC would be considered an homage. A homage to the original material. However, we don't know if Vincent will live forever because DoC failed to answer that. The writers, after the release of DoC, were involved in another project that took place before DoC, but still answered the question of how long he'd live. Whether the events of DoC wil have any effect, on what Vincent said, sure it's possible. But it is clear in my mind that the writers intend for him to stay the same age forever.

 

[ForceStealer]

So if Vincent was intended to begin aging again after DoC, you think they would have made it so that Vincent doesn't think he's immortal beforehand?

If they were trying ot subtly answer people's questions about Vincent's immortality, they did a lousy job of it, because here they're simply obeying continuity. Why would Vincent have any reason to believe that he wouldn't live forever a year before the events of Dirge of Cerberus?

 

[wayfarer]

I'm saying they wouldn't have him say it, if they didn't intend for him to remain immortal after DoC. imo.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

I'm saying they wouldn't have him say it, if they didn't intend for him to remain immortal after DoC. imo.

I have to agree with this. There would be no reason to bring up the idea of Vincent and Nanaki meeting every year for hundreds of years, if this wouldn't happen due to the events of DoC causing Vincent to age.

It's not proof, it's just that it doesn't make sense for them to introduce a story concept if it's going to be ruined by known events. Even more so, it's the fact that Nanaki would be travelling to Midgar to meet Vincent specifically. Nanaki is shown going towards Midgar in the 500/498 Years Later clip - which takes place after DoC, shows that MOST LIKELY, Nanaki is still going to meet up with Vincent - who is still immortal to be alive at that point.


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[wayfarer]

I have to agree with this. There would be no reason to bring up the idea of Vincent and Nanaki meeting every year for hundreds of years, if this wouldn't happen due to the events of DoC causing Vincent to age.

It's not proof, it's just that it doesn't make sense for them to introduce a story concept if it's going to be ruined by known events. Even more so, it's the fact that Nanaki would be travelling to Midgar to meet Vincent specifically. Nanaki is shown going towards Midgar in the 500/498 Years Later clip - which takes place after DoC, shows that MOST LIKELY, Nanaki is still going to meet up with Vincent - who is still immortal to be alive at that point.


X

*sigh* thank you.

 

[Andalegogo]

Pretty much agree with Fenrir here. I feel the same way in Zack's case where he didn't seem so much greater in comparison to other 1st Class SOLDIER in the original game, only to watch as all the prequels made it painfully obvious that, yeah, Zack was one bad momma.

And then Crisis Core came along and they inserted that one annoying little bit with Hojo referring to the fight Zack had with Sephiroth in Nibelheim. Not only was Zack a damn fine cut above other 1st Classes, but he was apparently tough enough to warrant Sephiroth's higher powers. And they made HOJO (of all people) acknowledge this, in the same game where he consistently condescends Zack for being no more impressive than a meandering gerbil.

Sometimes there's just no other way to go with these seemingly out of place little bits of info. The line in Case of Nanaki seems to imply what the creators intend in regards to Vincent's lifespan, just as the bit about Zack seems to show what they wish to convey about Zack's fighting ability. =/

But then, I never really attributed Vincent's agelessness solely to the Chaos implant. The only thing Chaos's presence did was provide Vincent's body the extra resilience that he needed to actually adapt to what Hojo had done, because apparently he wasn't doing so swell after Hojo finished with him. So after having enough time to adapt to Hojo's mutations, Vincent acquired the benefits of Hojo's experiments.

All Chaos really seems to be is a vast power source Vincent can rely on when he needs to.