looneymoon
they/them
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- Rishi
I dunno, I think this is the first time I've seen everyone on the board acting mature at once.
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I dunno, I think this is the first time I've seen everyone on the board acting mature at once.
Ryushikaze
Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
- AKA
- Tim, Ryu
Actually, I think he was simply commending us for acting as mature as we two could. Not that we were any more mature than anyone else. That's how I see it, anyways.
Octo
KULT OF KERMITU
- AKA
- Octo, Octorawk, Clarky Cat, Kissmammal2000
Overall I think its been dealt with well. In the beginning though it was clear that there we're issues and personal history shit playing a part. I don't want to name names and open a can of worms or anything here.
The forums being down wasn't helpful at all. If it hadn't been for that we could have got this resolved much earlier. The disruption gave people time to get quite worked up about things, and then there was a load of hearsay and conjecture blah blah blah.
Anyway, my point is, and Alex Strife can correct me if I am wrong here: He didn't intend to insult anyone. I just don't like seeing people get jumped on is all.
Ugh, and now I am perpetuating drama aren't I? Excuse me while I go flog myself
Alex Strife
Ex-SOLDIER
Wow. Never thought such a small sentence would...
I just felt they were the most likely to say things in a less polite way, seeing how things had been going so far. I mean, they were the two people who were originally in the problem, so I would not have been surprised if either (or the two) of them had reacted worse than they did. And I think they could not have been more mature about this.
EVERYONE in this thread at least was extremely mature, civil, and correct with this. And I am extremely happy for that, but Bex and Ryu still surprised me.
Poorly phrased, yes. Sorry if anyone took it the wrong way, really. I just wanted to praise the two of them particularly.
You can drop the issue if you want now, since there's nothing else behind it. I mean if you guys want to think I'm attacking you... I guess I can't stop anyone. I'm just surprised you guys think I could be like that.
EDIT: I removed some specific answering. This is not the right thread for it. I thought I may make another thread for something specific that's worrying me about this forum and my relationship to it but... screw it, I won't. People can think of me whatever they want. I know I can't change people's opinions on me, so.
I just felt they were the most likely to say things in a less polite way, seeing how things had been going so far. I mean, they were the two people who were originally in the problem, so I would not have been surprised if either (or the two) of them had reacted worse than they did. And I think they could not have been more mature about this.
EVERYONE in this thread at least was extremely mature, civil, and correct with this. And I am extremely happy for that, but Bex and Ryu still surprised me.
Poorly phrased, yes. Sorry if anyone took it the wrong way, really. I just wanted to praise the two of them particularly.
You can drop the issue if you want now, since there's nothing else behind it. I mean if you guys want to think I'm attacking you... I guess I can't stop anyone. I'm just surprised you guys think I could be like that.
EDIT: I removed some specific answering. This is not the right thread for it. I thought I may make another thread for something specific that's worrying me about this forum and my relationship to it but... screw it, I won't. People can think of me whatever they want. I know I can't change people's opinions on me, so.
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Celes Chere
Banned
- AKA
- Noctis
Sorry, but after hearing what Ryu has to say, I disagree. He said he actually feels bad about multiple things, including making other members feel uncomfortable. Even expressed that he was wrong, and that he wants people to confront him about it and has listened to each and every person in this thread. I think this drama should be dropped already. Ryu made a mistake, and he feels bad about it. I really hope this all can be done with now.
looneymoon
they/them
- AKA
- Rishi
I'm not saying his apology isn't genuine, or even a bad one. I'm just reiterating what Splintered and Mog have already said. I can't help feel a little uncomfortable with him saying "yeah what I did was wrong but everyone else is really bad too!" I mean, I know there is a certain kind of culture and humour on this board, but the there is a very big important difference between what happened and what generally goes on.
I don't mean to belittle Ryu or his apology in the slightest by saying that, and I'm sorry if I'm coming across that way
In fact, I was very ready to hate him a couple of days ago, but the posting of the apology actually made me gain more respect for him. I just want to stress the point of, you know, big important difference of the actions. Tres and Bex have pretty much explained it better than me and bluh I'm just glad the mods are at least acknowledging that while this may have been slightly born from the board's regular shenanigans, the severity is just... in an entirely different league than the general tomfoolery of the board's culture./being very careful not to sound like an unforgiving bitch
CK
buried but breathing
- AKA
- CK, 2D, wanker
uh no I really don't think it had anything to do with personal history. People (I know I was) were generally pissed off with how this was handled. It had nothing to do with hating on ryu or anyone else we were pissed off with his actions and how he and the staff had handled it.
With that being said i'm really fucking happy with the way we are all handling this now. I'm so proud of you all. ._.
Octo
KULT OF KERMITU
- AKA
- Octo, Octorawk, Clarky Cat, Kissmammal2000
I wasn't talking about everybody, sorry if it looked like I was. I was talking about stuff that was said on FFOF and here, which I dont think everybody saw due to database errors. Since the forum has ben back up everyone has handled it very well.
Masamune
Fiat Lux
- AKA
- Masa
And the only two people it should have involved, afaik.
Bex was the injured party here. If she was happy to bury the hatchet with Ryu over this affair, then that should've been that and the forum wouldn't have gone into meltdown. I think we can all accept it was a dipshit thing to do but was there really the need for this? People, people, people.
Mod policing was the kinda crap that went down on ACF. I thought this place might have learned a thing or two from those days.
Joker
We have come to terms
- AKA
- Godot
Still on phone, can't post tldr until tomorrow. This is something that *doesn't* just affect Bex and Ryu...I wish everyone could have seen that from the beginning. Maybe things at frog would not have happened in that case.
All the same, my post is now at two pages handwritten, and I ask that I be allowed to post it (tomorrow bluh ;.; ) it is very important to me.
All the same, my post is now at two pages handwritten, and I ask that I be allowed to post it (tomorrow bluh ;.; ) it is very important to me.
Joker
We have come to terms
- AKA
- Godot
Still on phone, can't post tldr until tomorrow. This is something that *doesn't* just affect Bex and Ryu...I wish everyone could have seen that from the beginning. Maybe things at frog would not have happened in that case.
All the same, my post is now at two pages handwritten, and I ask that I be allowed to post it (tomorrow bluh ;.; ) it is very important to me.
All the same, my post is now at two pages handwritten, and I ask that I be allowed to post it (tomorrow bluh ;.; ) it is very important to me.
Alex Strife
Ex-SOLDIER
I type on a computer so 
And no, I'm not insulting the phone users
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And no, I'm not insulting the phone users
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Rumpelstiltskin
Banned
- AKA
- L, Castiel, Scotty Mc Dickerson
It does actually happen more than people imply.
looneymoon
they/them
- AKA
- Rishi
Octo
KULT OF KERMITU
- AKA
- Octo, Octorawk, Clarky Cat, Kissmammal2000
WHO WATCHES THE WATCHMEN
I dunno...Coastguard?
Joker
We have come to terms
- AKA
- Godot
So of course I forget my stuff at work. 
I'm going strictly off the cuff now, which is okay (I wrote the other, after all), but because so much of what I wanted to say before has already been said, I'm really just going to cover two things in particular.
Uncomfortable:
You've done a lot of things in the past to make me extremely uncomfortable. And the weird thing is, it started after I'd seen you around here and CT and stuff, and, frankly, I thought you seemed like a pretty cool dude. After seeing a few things, I pulled back a bit; I probably could have said something to you about them, but, having seen in the LTD how that was likely to go over, I didn't. I just sort of kept it to myself. And then, more stuff happened, and about a year ago the dam just burst and I crossed a line.
And for that, I'm sorry.
There's no real excuse or rationale for it. Sure, things can get a person upset sometimes, but I really do try to be more level-headed than that. I extremely failed, in that instance, and while all of those issues still stand, in my eyes, the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of different ways to handle things, and the only word to describe my actions is "wrong". While things will likely remain the same between us on both sides (too much having happened), I would like to offer my sincere apology for what I did.
Shademp: this has been less touched upon, but I'll just say that I saw what had happened and didn't say anything about it at first because I wasn't sure that I'd even seen what I thought I had. I was like "wait, did he just...?", and it wasn't until Belle posted something that I knew I had seen it. It made me a bit uncomfortable here to see a moderator informing someone as to the content of a post that had been deleted by the original poster, because...what if it was me next time, you know? But I also know that it was likely not done with any malicious intent or anything - just a bad call on your part, imo.
In the end? Nah, I really don't think you should be de-modded. I agree with the rest that something should happen here, but I really don't know what - just so long as it's fair. Loss of staff status seems really harsh, but "don't do this stuff again or you'll be demodded" seems far too lenient. I guess whatever the people decide is best, but, for what it's worth, as a MODERATOR, and strictly in THAT capacity, you're very capable when you want to be. I'd say my only issue is that, despite the very first post of the current LTD basically saying DON'T STEP OUT OF LINE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TOLERATING THAT SHIT ANYMORE, a lot of stuff that those rules were made to prevent are still happening, and being allowed to happen with nothing coming of it. No "this is your one warning to stop flaming/get back on topic" or anything. At one point I've seen you participate in the very thing the rules go against. I guess what I'm saying is that I think the moderation of the LTD topic in particular isn't very good.
But again, overall, I'd say you do a pretty decent job around the site, as I know you help with front page content, and are always answering people's questions and make every effort to be helpful with things, and always like to get involved with community projects.
That's the gist of what I needed to say.
I'm going strictly off the cuff now, which is okay (I wrote the other, after all), but because so much of what I wanted to say before has already been said, I'm really just going to cover two things in particular.Uncomfortable:
You've done a lot of things in the past to make me extremely uncomfortable. And the weird thing is, it started after I'd seen you around here and CT and stuff, and, frankly, I thought you seemed like a pretty cool dude. After seeing a few things, I pulled back a bit; I probably could have said something to you about them, but, having seen in the LTD how that was likely to go over, I didn't. I just sort of kept it to myself. And then, more stuff happened, and about a year ago the dam just burst and I crossed a line.
And for that, I'm sorry.
There's no real excuse or rationale for it. Sure, things can get a person upset sometimes, but I really do try to be more level-headed than that. I extremely failed, in that instance, and while all of those issues still stand, in my eyes, the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of different ways to handle things, and the only word to describe my actions is "wrong". While things will likely remain the same between us on both sides (too much having happened), I would like to offer my sincere apology for what I did.
Shademp: this has been less touched upon, but I'll just say that I saw what had happened and didn't say anything about it at first because I wasn't sure that I'd even seen what I thought I had. I was like "wait, did he just...?", and it wasn't until Belle posted something that I knew I had seen it. It made me a bit uncomfortable here to see a moderator informing someone as to the content of a post that had been deleted by the original poster, because...what if it was me next time, you know? But I also know that it was likely not done with any malicious intent or anything - just a bad call on your part, imo.
In the end? Nah, I really don't think you should be de-modded. I agree with the rest that something should happen here, but I really don't know what - just so long as it's fair. Loss of staff status seems really harsh, but "don't do this stuff again or you'll be demodded" seems far too lenient. I guess whatever the people decide is best, but, for what it's worth, as a MODERATOR, and strictly in THAT capacity, you're very capable when you want to be. I'd say my only issue is that, despite the very first post of the current LTD basically saying DON'T STEP OUT OF LINE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TOLERATING THAT SHIT ANYMORE, a lot of stuff that those rules were made to prevent are still happening, and being allowed to happen with nothing coming of it. No "this is your one warning to stop flaming/get back on topic" or anything. At one point I've seen you participate in the very thing the rules go against. I guess what I'm saying is that I think the moderation of the LTD topic in particular isn't very good.
But again, overall, I'd say you do a pretty decent job around the site, as I know you help with front page content, and are always answering people's questions and make every effort to be helpful with things, and always like to get involved with community projects.
That's the gist of what I needed to say.
Shademp
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I emailed Ryu and informed him not to repeat that blunder next time I delete a message. I emphasized that there are no lingering hard feelings, as he made an honest mistake with the good intention of preventing on-going speculation about a deleted message that he considered harmless. We're cool.
I'm looking forward to participating in future "Let's Play FFVII" entries with him (and the other guys and gals too, of course
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