Ravynne Nevyrmore
that one Lucrecia fangirl
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All right, that's what I thought. =P
Stagnant Lifestream
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[quote author=Suzaku link=topic=17.msg1985#msg1985 date=1229237185]Stagnant Lifestream is part of the natural life cycle of a Planet, and is comprised of Lifestream that is impure and has been seperated from the currents of the Planet. These impurities can include a variety of things, including extra-terrestrial substances that have entered the Lifestream, which means that, more or less.
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I've heard you say this before, but you've never cited a source. Could you do so, please?
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I've heard you say this before, but you've never cited a source. Could you do so, please?
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It's more or less what's said in the Omega Reports.
So stagnant lifestream is impure "bioplasma" that has overflown from the pure Lifestream. It's separated from the currents of the planet somehow and makes its way to the Spring of Chaos. And apparently occurs naturally so Chaos can be born from it.
As for what the exact nature of the impurities are, thats what is kinda a mystery. I think Suzaku is guessing it could include extra-terrestrial substances that enter the lifestream.
Omega Report Six: Impurities said:
So stagnant lifestream is impure "bioplasma" that has overflown from the pure Lifestream. It's separated from the currents of the planet somehow and makes its way to the Spring of Chaos. And apparently occurs naturally so Chaos can be born from it.
As for what the exact nature of the impurities are, thats what is kinda a mystery. I think Suzaku is guessing it could include extra-terrestrial substances that enter the lifestream.
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[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=17.msg5235#msg5235 date=1230851794]
I think Suzaku is guessing it could include extra-terrestrial substances that enter the lifestream.
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Read: Jenova?
It makes sense; if the Planet is a living entity, or at least, something with a life cycle. It's the Planet's equivalent to an immune system.
xD And sort of like global warning, Deepground messed up a natural process to the extreme.
I think Suzaku is guessing it could include extra-terrestrial substances that enter the lifestream.
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Read: Jenova?
It makes sense; if the Planet is a living entity, or at least, something with a life cycle. It's the Planet's equivalent to an immune system.
xD And sort of like global warning, Deepground messed up a natural process to the extreme.
Dark and Divine
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[quote author=Dumb Apple link=topic=17.msg5284#msg5284 date=1230885852]
[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=17.msg5235#msg5235 date=1230851794]
I think Suzaku is guessing it could include extra-terrestrial substances that enter the lifestream.
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Read: Jenova?[/quote]
That would be the case with the Negative Lifestream, yes.
As for the Stagnant Lifestream, i'm thinking more in small meteorites and such.
[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=17.msg5235#msg5235 date=1230851794]
I think Suzaku is guessing it could include extra-terrestrial substances that enter the lifestream.
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Read: Jenova?[/quote]
That would be the case with the Negative Lifestream, yes.
As for the Stagnant Lifestream, i'm thinking more in small meteorites and such.
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Or maybe those impurities are from those snot nosed kids in Mideel pissing in the Lifestream 
Dark and Divine
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[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=17.msg5335#msg5335 date=1230927522]
Or maybe those impurities are from those snot nosed kids in Mideel piss in the Lifestream
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Only from their piss?
Or maybe those impurities are from those snot nosed kids in Mideel piss in the Lifestream
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Only from their piss?
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- Smooth Criminal
Hell, anything that's not supposed to be in the lifestream's an impurity!
But seriously, with the whole destruction of Mideel, there's countless garbage, debris and what not that got washed into the Lifestream. It's gotta go somewhere.
But seriously, with the whole destruction of Mideel, there's countless garbage, debris and what not that got washed into the Lifestream. It's gotta go somewhere.
Yeah I don't think Lifestream is that easily tainted. I mean it's under the surface and frequently breaks through it, so I'm sure it's got all kinds of dirt and animal feces in it. I always figured tainted referred to something malicious in it. Like, say, what Geostigma's dead leave behind.
But is stagnant lifestream equivalent to tainted?
But is stagnant lifestream equivalent to tainted?
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[quote author=Dacon link=topic=17.msg5412#msg5412 date=1230964033]
I always figured that the Lifestream was tainted by the negative emotions and thoughts of the people that died in horrible ways or were just vile people.
But I dunno, it's just a thought.
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No really, it's just piss in the stream.
I always figured that the Lifestream was tainted by the negative emotions and thoughts of the people that died in horrible ways or were just vile people.
But I dunno, it's just a thought.
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No really, it's just piss in the stream.
Ravynne Nevyrmore
that one Lucrecia fangirl
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- Ravynne
Lolowned.
But if the Lifestream is the Planet's immune system then it does stand to reason that "extra-terrestials" in the conventional sense (i.e., aliens; i.e., Jenova) would also be rejected by it. A fever will attempt to burn out a virus or infection; the stomach will vomit what it cannot digest. Even a fetus can be rejected by a woman's body for being a foreign entity and, aside from eating, that's the most natural "invasion" of a human body that there is.
Dark and Divine
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[quote author=Ravynne link=topic=17.msg7334#msg7334 date=1231695811]
Lolowned.
But if the Lifestream is the Planet's immune system then it does stand to reason that "extra-terrestials" in the conventional sense (i.e., aliens; i.e., Jenova) would also be rejected by it. A fever will attempt to burn out a virus or infection; the stomach will vomit what it cannot digest. Even a fetus can be rejected by a woman's body for being a foreign entity and, aside from eating, that's the most natural "invasion" of a human body that there is.
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Maybe the Lifestream cannot reject or eliminate some impurities, the same way the human body cannot reject some viruses.
Lolowned.
But if the Lifestream is the Planet's immune system then it does stand to reason that "extra-terrestials" in the conventional sense (i.e., aliens; i.e., Jenova) would also be rejected by it. A fever will attempt to burn out a virus or infection; the stomach will vomit what it cannot digest. Even a fetus can be rejected by a woman's body for being a foreign entity and, aside from eating, that's the most natural "invasion" of a human body that there is.
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Maybe the Lifestream cannot reject or eliminate some impurities, the same way the human body cannot reject some viruses.
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[quote author=Dacon link=topic=17.msg5412#msg5412 date=1230964033]
I always figured that the Lifestream was tainted by the negative emotions and thoughts of the people that died in horrible ways or were just vile people.
But I dunno, it's just a thought.
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I had a similar thought, myself. Souls that could not rest, and become part of the cycle, turned black and corrupted. Since FFVII's universe is linked with FFX (which personified this with Fiends), I don't think it's a bad theory.
I always figured that the Lifestream was tainted by the negative emotions and thoughts of the people that died in horrible ways or were just vile people.
But I dunno, it's just a thought.
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I had a similar thought, myself. Souls that could not rest, and become part of the cycle, turned black and corrupted. Since FFVII's universe is linked with FFX (which personified this with Fiends), I don't think it's a bad theory.
Ravynne Nevyrmore
that one Lucrecia fangirl
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- Ravynne
But since the Lifestream has, in a sense, rejected Jenova, or at least that there is no evidence that it has not, what would be the purpose in supposing this?Dark and Divine said:
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The lifestream didn't start rejecting Jenova until Sephiroth's will was crushed and Aerith's purifying rain from the lifestream destroyed the cells.
The will of Sephiroth and tenacity of the cells was too great for the planet to overcome.
The will of Sephiroth and tenacity of the cells was too great for the planet to overcome.
Neo Bahamut
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The novellas pertaining to the lifestream maintain that people don't diffuse properly when tained by Jenova, or when they experience strong negative emotions that they refuse to let go of, with a strong likelihood that the former reason merely causes the latter.
This is most likely stagnant Lifestream.
Why is that bad?
From what we know of Sephiroth's "negative Lifestream," it rots away the good Lifestream. So it has to be isolated. Unfortunately, when it accumulates, we get mother fucking Chaos.
It's a vicious cycle.
G Substance, however, is NOT a fan term. It appears in the G Reports. Most likely, it is intentionally erroneous, as the Reports are written from the perspective of a researcher with limited data.
The gene splicing idea makes the most sense as to why the Tsviets don't take on Genesis's appearance or degrade, as well as why their powers are the way they are.
What perplexes me is that the other DG Soldiers are said to NOT have ANY of Genesis's cells in them, yet they clearly undergo a process of degredation.
I also noted that Shelke looks a bit like Genesis. However, flashbacks indicate her looking that way naturally, so if she experienced any form of the copy phenomenon, it would be impossible to tell, without it being specified. So, as such, Occam's Razor says that the interpretation that she didn't is preferable.
This is most likely stagnant Lifestream.
Why is that bad?
From what we know of Sephiroth's "negative Lifestream," it rots away the good Lifestream. So it has to be isolated. Unfortunately, when it accumulates, we get mother fucking Chaos.
It's a vicious cycle.
G Substance, however, is NOT a fan term. It appears in the G Reports. Most likely, it is intentionally erroneous, as the Reports are written from the perspective of a researcher with limited data.
The gene splicing idea makes the most sense as to why the Tsviets don't take on Genesis's appearance or degrade, as well as why their powers are the way they are.
What perplexes me is that the other DG Soldiers are said to NOT have ANY of Genesis's cells in them, yet they clearly undergo a process of degredation.
I also noted that Shelke looks a bit like Genesis. However, flashbacks indicate her looking that way naturally, so if she experienced any form of the copy phenomenon, it would be impossible to tell, without it being specified. So, as such, Occam's Razor says that the interpretation that she didn't is preferable.
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- Tets
No, Sephiroth's negative lifestream and the stagnant stream are two different things, the latter one being caused by natural occurences and the former one created through the people who died of the stigma and it's controlled by Sephiroth. Chaos will not be created through Sephiroth's Negastream.
Yes it is a fan term, and no it doesn't.
Neo Bahamut
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Did I say they were the exact same thing? Or that it would form Chaos?
Alright, then, explain where the term "G Substance" comes from, if it's not mentioned somewhere in Dirge?
There is no sensible origin. Any parallel you could draw between Genesis & the stagnant mako would be tenuous, at best.
Either it came from the G Reports, the Omega Reports, or the WRO members aboard the Shera. Regardless, it was in the game.
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- hitoshura
Fans making stuff up/getting things wrong?
I've played the Japanese version, spoken to all the NPCs and got all the reports, and there was no term like that in the game. This term came about before the English release IIRC, so it didn't come from there either.
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Wtf, "G-Substance" was never in the game, go play it yourself, if you don't believe us. It's a fake, fan made term.
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- Mog
Or it was made up and not in any game anywhere?