Surprisingly, there are some KH references here...

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Strangelove

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#52
I can't make a serious reply to such an insincere post.

But light and dark = FFIII and FFIV (and that Tom Sawyer game)
One-winged angel = FFVII's penultimate battle
Sephiroth summoning a meteor = was a minor plot point in the original game, but you might have missed it since they didn't make a big deal about it
 

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#53
I can't make a serious reply to such an insincere post.

But light and dark = FFIII and FFIV (and that Tom Sawyer game)
One-winged angel = FFVII's penultimate battle
Sephiroth summoning a meteor = was a minor plot point in the original game, but you might have missed it since they didn't make a big deal about it
Light and darkness were of course in FFIII, just like all the others, but as usual, in FFIII, it was about keeping the power of Light dominant and using it to destroy darkness. It was never about them being equally important, and finding balance between light and darkness. That's KH, not FF.

One-Winged Angel was only a song. It never actually appeared in the plot of FFVII, nor was Sephiroth shown as the One-Winged Angel. That was again, only in KH and KH2. He actually HAD one wing in KH and KH2. AND you got a keyblade from Sephiroth that was named that and had the one wing as the keychain. That's where he actually was called that title and shown to be one.

I said it was only in KH that Sephiroth summoned a Meteor. In FFVII, he used the spirit energy of the planet to do it. Not himself. He was too weak, and injured to do it on his own, so he basically had the planet cast it while he held it. Not the same thing.

I know what I'm talking about, guys. I'm not stupid.
 

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#54
Light and darkness were of course in FFIII, just like all the others, but as usual, in FFIII, it was about keeping the power of Light dominant and using it to destroy darkness. It was never about them being equally important, and finding balance between light and darkness. That's KH, not FF.
Don't ignore my Tom Sawyer reference. That game predates any FF or KH game. It was a story about light and dark finding balance, shown through the metaphor of a white kid and a black kid on a raft trying to stay afloat.

One-Winged Angel was only a song. It never actually appeared in the plot of FFVII, nor was Sephiroth shown as the One-Winged Angel.
You got me there. I don't think he was ever shown with a wing in the original game. I only played Crisis Core, so I thought the guy in red was Sephiroth.

I said it was only in KH that Sephiroth summoned a Meteor. In FFVII, he used the spirit energy of the planet to do it. Not himself. He was too weak, and injured to do it on his own, so he basically had the planet cast it while he held it. Not the same thing.
In KH he uses the spirit energy of Auron from KHII to summon meteors, just like FFVII. In FFVII, Auron was the great^9 ancestor of the planet's inhabitants, so Sephiroth was using Auron's spirit energy to stop that witch from Galbadia. The moomba with the fiery tails mentions it.

I know not what I'm talking about, guys. I'm stupid.
I believe you made an error there, so I took the liberty of correcting it for you.
 

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#55
Don't ignore my Tom Sawyer reference. That game predates any FF or KH game. It was a story about light and dark finding balance, shown through the metaphor of a white kid and a black kid on a raft trying to stay afloat.
....Fuck, you may have me with that Tom Sawyer game. Damn you :wacky:

But seriously, FFIII wasn't like KH in terms of its treatment of Light and Dark, silly.


You got me there. I don't think he was ever shown with a wing in the original game. I only played Crisis Core, so I thought the guy in red was Sephiroth.
LOL, you're a riot hitobito. But yeah, in FFVII, Sephiroth had more than one wing, and it wasn't even black, or just one on his back. So he wasn't the One-Winged Angel in FFVII.


In KH he uses the spirit energy of Auron from KHII to summon meteors, just like FFVII. In FFVII, Auron was the great^9 ancestor of the planet's inhabitants, so Sephiroth was using Auron's spirit energy to stop that witch from Galbadia. The moomba with the fiery tails mentions it.
LOL what?! XD

But yeah, only in KH could Sephiroth summon Meteor on his own. In FFVII that wasn't even Sephiroth's own power. The planet cast Meteor, not Sephiroth. He was too weak and legless.


I believe you made an error there, so I took the liberty of correcting it for you.
Hey, I see what you did there. You know I'm right. Stop giving me a hard time. XD
 

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....Fuck, you may have me with that Tom Sawyer game. Damn you :wacky:

But seriously, FFIII wasn't like KH in terms of its treatment of Light and Dark, silly.
Sorry, I was talking about FFVI. I don't get this Japanese numbering. There was a guy called Shadow and this little white fluffy thing. I thought that was the light and darkness stuff.

LOL, you're a riot hitobito. But yeah, in FFVII, Sephiroth had more than one wing, and it wasn't even black, or just one on his back. So he wasn't the One-Winged Angel in FFVII.
So was he the guy with the white wing in CC? Or that duck that follows Sora around? He had two wings that weren't black or on his back.

LOL what?! XD

But yeah, only in KH could Sephiroth summon Meteor on his own. In FFVII that wasn't even Sephiroth's own power. The planet cast Meteor, not Sephiroth. He was too weak and legless.
You can do a lot of damage when you're legless. My brother broke a table the other day when he was drunk. And he doesn't have any wings, so I can't imagine what you must be able to do when you're pissed and angelic.

Stop giving me a hard time. XD
Are you coming on to me? My English is not so good.
 

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#57
Sorry, I was talking about FFVI. I don't get this Japanese numbering. There was a guy called Shadow and this little white fluffy thing. I thought that was the light and darkness stuff.
LOL now you're trolling hito. Wtf :monster: If you know I'm right, just say so.


So was he the guy with the white wing in CC? Or that duck that follows Sora around? He had two wings that weren't black or on his back.
LOL, you're cracked man. Anyways, Sephiroth is only a "One Winged Angel" in KH. He's not one in FFVII. Donald has two wings, ergo he's excluded. So does Angeal :monster:


You can do a lot of damage when you're legless. My brother broke a table the other day when he was drunk. And he doesn't have any wings, so I can't imagine what you must be able to do when you're pissed and angelic.
Be that as it may, Sephiroth was too weak to use Meteor and thus had to trick the planet into casting it for him XDDD


Are you coming on to me? My English is not so good.
Rofl. Me love long time?
 

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LOL now you're trolling hito. Wtf :monster: If you know I'm right, just say so.
If I knew you were right, I wouldn't be bringing up such compelling evidence against you.

LOL, you're cracked man. Anyways, Sephiroth is only a "One Winged Angel" in KH. He's not one in FFVII. Donald has two wings, ergo he's excluded. So does Angeal :monster:
But Angael's son was in FFVII, so the song was in the game but was about his dad.

Be that as it may, Sephiroth was too weak to use Meteor and thus had to trick the planet into casting it for him XDDD
Now you're just making up excuses. There's no one stronger than Sephiroth. Kojima said so.

Rofl. Me love long time?
You can't get your own way just by sucking cock every time.

But maybe sometimes :awesome:
 

Makoeyes987

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#59
If I knew you were right, I wouldn't be bringing up such compelling evidence against you.


But Angael's son was in FFVII, so the song was in the game but was about his dad.


Now you're just making up excuses. There's no one stronger than Sephiroth. Kojima said so.


You can't get your own way just by sucking cock every time.

But maybe sometimes :awesome:
LOL hito, you're insane. :wackymonster:

You're just trolling me now!
 

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I know that Mako is obviously trolling, but it seems there are some people here who actually forgot the fact that the balance between Light and Darkness is an important plot point of FFIII.
An example, is the Dark Warriors joining the Warriors of Light to beat the CoD.
 

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And this is why I voted for Mako as best bullshitter.
 

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#63
I know that Mako is obviously trolling, but it seems there are some people here who actually forgot the fact that the balance between Light and Darkness is an important plot point of FFIII.
An example, is the Dark Warriors joining the Warriors of Light to beat the CoD.
Actually, that plot point wasn't added until the remake of FFIII for the DS :monster:

Originally it wasn't about keeping the world in balance. It was just about defeating the darkness. So again, KH did it first. KH had a lot of firsts apparently for SE. The attacks I mentioned for Squall, Cloud, and Sephiroth, this plot point, and everything else.
 

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Actually, that plot point wasn't added until the remake of FFIII for the DS :monster:
You weren't added until the remake.

KH was just a rip-off of the Moonwalker game, which did everything KH tried and failed to do with less fruity Disney characters. That's where those attacks and Sephiroth/Squall/Cloud originated.
 

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You weren't added until the remake.

KH was just a rip-off of the Moonwalker game, which did everything KH tried and failed to do with less fruity Disney characters. That's where those attacks and Sephiroth/Squall/Cloud originated.
LOL dude I'm serious. That shit about keeping the world in balance between light and dark, with the dark warriors and shit wasn't added until the DS remake. It's another one of those new cutscenes, such as Cid taking the orphans up to the floating continent when Xande enacted his whole goal of stopping time on the surface world and shit. None of that was in the original FFIII. They probably got inspiration from KH again.

lol Moonwalker. But no XD
 

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I played the original FFIII when it came out. It was exactly the same as the remake, except the graphics looked better than the DS.
 

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Allow me a stupid question. Wasn't there an interview with Nomura on which he stated that Dissidia was basically what he intended to do inside Twilight Town in KH2? :huh: He also said that he wasn't allowed to do that, so he took his team from KH and made Dissidia.

If that's true, wouldn't be logical to take the attacks of Sephiroth, Cloud and Leon and include and/or improve them on Dissidia?

Just wondering.
 
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Allow me a stupid question. Wasn't there an interview with Nomura on which he stated that Dissidia was basically what he intended to do inside Twilight Town in KH2? :huh: He also said that he wasn't allowed to do that, so he took his team from KH and made Dissidia.

If that's true, wouldn't be logical to take the attacks of Sephiroth, Cloud and Leon and include and/or improve them on Dissidia?

Just wondering.
Great, more ammunition for him.
 

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Allow me a stupid question. Wasn't there an interview with Nomura on which he stated that Dissidia was basically what he intended to do inside Twilight Town in KH2? :huh: He also said that he wasn't allowed to do that, so he took his team from KH and made Dissidia.

If that's true, wouldn't be logical to take the attacks of Sephiroth, Cloud and Leon and include and/or improve them on Dissidia?

Just wondering.
Yes, that was from the Dissisdia Ultimania. That's what I've been saying, I'm glad you see my point.

All those attacks:

Blasting Zone and Rough Divide for Squall

Heartless Angel (actually Sin Harvest), Meteor, Oblivion/Flash, and Shadow Flare for Sephiroth

Aerial Fang, and Omnislash for Cloud

...All those attacks originated from KH, and were incorporated into Final Fantasy, through Dissidia. They originally wanted to do this in KH2, but now he finally got the chance to do it in Dissidia, and basically give it to FF to use. Makes sense?
 

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Yes, that was from the Dissisdia Ultimania. That's what I've been saying, I'm glad you see my point.

All those attacks:

Blasting Zone and Rough Divide for Squall

Heartless Angel (actually Sin Harvest), Meteor, Oblivion/Flash, and Shadow Flare for Sephiroth

Aerial Fang, and Omnislash for Cloud

...All those attacks originated from KH, and were incorporated into Final Fantasy, through Dissidia. They originally wanted to do this in KH2, but now he finally got the chance to do it in Dissidia, and basically give it to FF to use. Makes sense?
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I get what you're saying, but the phrasing totally needs reworking.
You're saying most of the Dissidia versions of these attacks come from KH, but you cannot say most of them come from KH, period.

And the existence of the DW and the overloading of the world with light was there in the original, though you can be forgiven for missing it.

Also, what of Ehrgeiz?
 

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I get what you're saying, but the phrasing totally needs reworking.
You're saying most of the Dissidia versions of these attacks come from KH, but you cannot say most of them come from KH, period.

And the existence of the DW and the overloading of the world with light was there in the original, though you can be forgiven for missing it.
If you got what I was saying, you'd not say that. They did come from KH, period. Where in FFVIII did Squall's gunblade grow and turn golden and then smash into the opponent? Where did Sephiroth use Shadow Flare, Meteor, or Sin Harvest in FFVII? Where did Cloud use Aerial Fang and Omnislash?

Those all came from KH, man.

And it wasn't in the original at all. That was solely from the FFIII DS remake. Originally it was just the world of light stopping CoD and her powers of darkness from the dark world.

Ehrgeiz doesn't count cause that wasn't Square. That was Namco and Dream Factory.
 

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#74
That was solely from the FFIII DS remake. Originally it was just the world of light stopping CoD and her powers of darkness from the dark world.
I'm going to be stopping your arse with my foot in a minute.

Then I'm going to take your home and make it into a toll bridge.
 

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If you got what I was saying, you'd not say that. They did come from KH, period. Where in FFVIII did Squall's gunblade grow and turn golden and then smash into the opponent?
Any time after I upgraded his sword and got a limit break. You may have heard of it. It's called Blasting Zone.
Not that his KH 'blasting zone' is like his Dissidia blasting zone in anything save scale.

Where did Sephiroth use Shadow Flare,
Where did Shadow Flare come from?
I know I have four e.Skill materia with it handy.

Disc 2 and 3.

or Sin Harvest in FFVII?
He never uses 'Sin Harvest' in KH either.
A hilarious note "Almost all of Sephiroth's attacks, such as Super Nova, Heartless Angel and Shadow Flare, are named for attacks he uses in the Final Fantasy series. The few attacks he does not know in the Final Fantasy series, such as Meteor and Flash, are still named for attacks in the series."

Where did Cloud use Aerial Fang and Omnislash?
AC and FF7, and ACC.

Those all came from KH, man.
Troll harder, Mako.

And it wasn't in the original at all. That was solely from the FFIII DS remake. Originally it was just the world of light stopping CoD and her powers of darkness from the dark world.
And a similar situation had occurred with an overbalance of light 1000 years prior. I know you're in ondore mode, but your lie is too easily seen through. I too, played the original game. The Dark Warriors are in it too.
I know you know you're talking out your ass, but just for anyone confused about this
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/file/563415/26910
This is a walkthrough, last revised in 05, regarding the NES FF3. It mentions the dark warriors and their sacrifice.

Ehrgeiz doesn't count cause that wasn't Square. That was Namco and Dream Factory.
And KH is Disney. It was a joint venture, and Square was the one who put the FF7 characters in Ehrgeiz.

I can see your point re- Sephy's animations, but beyond that, it's a stretch.
 
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