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I'm going to confess to being both highly confused and somewhat annoyed that we're still at the "Should we have a forum-wide trial?" question. Whether going by the poll or what the majority of people have been saying in actual posts in the thread, we as a community clearly want the Thanks system to remain. The question should only be "What measures might we take to make some kind of accommodations for those it bothers without, frankly, abandoning common sense?"
There's such a thing as taking a valid point too far and overreaching, folks. My State is dealing with the fallout of that right now, if you've been following the news.
Two attempts at reasonable accommodation have been offered (disabling Thanks in one section and giving members the ability to hide Thanks from their own view), and both are applicable to the venue where most of the arguments for concern have been brought up. We don't need to rush headlong into anything without thinking about it or having a discussion, no, but sweet Jesus, we don't need to discuss something to the point of impotence either.
I'm sympathetic to the points that have been raised about the News, Politics, Religion & Debate section, particularly from Flare, whose tenacity and good faith willingness to remain in debates where she was overwhelmingly outnumbered has impressed me on multiple occasions. I'll be honest and admit that I'm far less sympathetic toward someone who can't handle a Thanks system outside more serious, debate-y venues, so it's good that others were present to bring up options for individual users to turn Thanks off.
If the suggestions we have so far are still insufficient for someone, and they would only be satisfied by no one having the system available to them, their discomfort is their cross to bear, not anyone else's. We have a trial proposal that directly addresses the area of biggest concern for those who are overall in favor of leaving the system in place even while they are in favor of pruning it from that one section (a number that is itself still far larger than those who want it gone altogether), as well as a suggestion that should satisfy anyone who doesn't want to see it at all.
Any insistence upon overreaching beyond that I am firmly opposed to, as it would seem most of us are. The discussion is just going in circles at this point. It's time to shit or get off the pot.
EDIT: What X said, basically.![Cookie Monster :monster: :monster:](/forums/images/smilies/cookiemonster.gif)
There's such a thing as taking a valid point too far and overreaching, folks. My State is dealing with the fallout of that right now, if you've been following the news.
Two attempts at reasonable accommodation have been offered (disabling Thanks in one section and giving members the ability to hide Thanks from their own view), and both are applicable to the venue where most of the arguments for concern have been brought up. We don't need to rush headlong into anything without thinking about it or having a discussion, no, but sweet Jesus, we don't need to discuss something to the point of impotence either.
I'm sympathetic to the points that have been raised about the News, Politics, Religion & Debate section, particularly from Flare, whose tenacity and good faith willingness to remain in debates where she was overwhelmingly outnumbered has impressed me on multiple occasions. I'll be honest and admit that I'm far less sympathetic toward someone who can't handle a Thanks system outside more serious, debate-y venues, so it's good that others were present to bring up options for individual users to turn Thanks off.
If the suggestions we have so far are still insufficient for someone, and they would only be satisfied by no one having the system available to them, their discomfort is their cross to bear, not anyone else's. We have a trial proposal that directly addresses the area of biggest concern for those who are overall in favor of leaving the system in place even while they are in favor of pruning it from that one section (a number that is itself still far larger than those who want it gone altogether), as well as a suggestion that should satisfy anyone who doesn't want to see it at all.
Any insistence upon overreaching beyond that I am firmly opposed to, as it would seem most of us are. The discussion is just going in circles at this point. It's time to shit or get off the pot.
EDIT: What X said, basically.
![Cookie Monster :monster: :monster:](/forums/images/smilies/cookiemonster.gif)