The Elite Order of Cloud

[Tetsujin]

[quote author=spirit chaser link=topic=377.msg12820#msg12820 date=1233414452]
Cloud looks so freakin' badass in the new trailer! I especially love this scene:

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Gotta love SE for adding actual wounds and blood.
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I like how there's even blood in his hair.

Damn, I only now noticed even his arm is all cut and bloodied. D=

 

[Tennyo]

And those are really huge and deep cuts as well. Ew. But awesome.

[quote author=Masamune link=topic=377.msg12818#msg12818 date=1233412838]
Nice banner, Ten. The blue is very smooth and relaxing.

Only snags are the hilt of the stock has been chopped in half.
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Yeah I actually didn't notice the hilt had been cut off until I was done with it.

But thanks you guys. Maybe I'll try to come up with some sort of texture or something for the upper left.

 

[Arianna]

[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=377.msg12743#msg12743 date=1233381279]
@Ariana: I see what you mean. He's certainly no Superman, and of that I'm glad. I like to compare Cloud to Spider-Man myself.

What do you all think of this one:

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Great banner, Tennyo! *thumbs up*

I kind of wonder, even though Kingdom Hearts is an alternate reality and not connected to Final Fantasy except for using some of the characters, if what's said about Sephiroth and Cloud in that storyline is true?:

Sephiroth and Cloud are two sides of the same coin? Both are fighters; one is expert, refined and divine while the other is faulted, ragged and quite imperfect? I'm not fogetting one is on the side of darkness and evil the other on the side of light and goodness.

Any thoughts or facts (from interviews I know not about or any Ultimania books again I know not about) regarding this?

 

[Shademp]

[quote author=Arianna link=topic=377.msg12842#msg12842 date=1233427718]
[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=377.msg12743#msg12743 date=1233381279]
@Ariana: I see what you mean. He's certainly no Superman, and of that I'm glad. I like to compare Cloud to Spider-Man myself.

What do you all think of this one:

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Great banner, Tennyo! *thumbs up*

I kind of wonder, even though Kingdom Hearts is an alternate reality and not connected to Final Fantasy except for using some of the characters, if what's said about Sephiroth and Cloud in that storyline is true?:

Sephiroth and Cloud are two sides of the same coin? Both are fighters; one is expert, refined and divine while the other is faulted, ragged and quite imperfect? I'm not fogetting one is on the side of darkness and evil the other on the side of light and goodness.

Any thoughts or facts (from interviews I know not about or any Ultimania books again I know not about) regarding this?
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I think Kingdom Hearts went for a (mostly) different relationship between Cloud and Sephiroth. If you talk to Goofy right after Sephiroth appears in KHII, Goofy will say that Cloud and Sephiroth look alike. Sephiroth also says to Cloud later on "I am you."
It was all just a different take on Cloud's search for redemption. I don't see them being opposites in the canon FFVII universe.

 

[Tennyo]

Thanks, Arianna.

I think that the plot of KH could apply to FFVII in a metaphorical type of way. Having something with which to both tie the hero and villain together as well as separate them is always an interesting plot device in my opinion. Two sides of one coin is a good way to describe them.

Also, here are more banner variations:

I know the hilt is cut off and I tried to maybe just remove it but it just looks weird. I don't think there are any versions of this pic that have the full hilt. As I said I didn't even notice what had happened until I was done! D:

 

[Shademp]

Sooner or later the full image will be available somewhere.
Good work with everything Tennyo. I wonder however if his wolf-sign would suit well in the upper left section, or maybe together with those plant-thingies you have in the background.

 

[Tennyo]

Oh yeah, the Cloudy-Wolf (o lawd how I hate that name lol)! Why did I not think of that? dur...

I'll go add that post haste.

And yes, I hope a full image of that pic of Cloud is released. Would be nice. If anything they could at the very least give us the rest of his hilt. XD

EDIT:

And speaking of the Cloud wolf I found this on Photobucket and found it amusing:

 

[looneymoon]

beh, late on replies. bug internet.

I'm not one to really think Cloud is totally hawt or anything, but I must say he's looking alot more badass in the new trailer. It must be all the dirt and blood upping all the manliness factor or something

Why I like Cloud: simply put, I like Cloud because he is not good with people. He's awkward, and somewhat socially retarded. In the same light, he's not a complete angsty broody cliched badass that purposefully outcasts himself (a stereotype I find way too exhausting - ironically, the stereotype Cloud tries to build himself into). I like him because his separation from people is a result of his own insecurity, but at the same time he's still drawn to those around him. He's not smooth or cold; he's weird, he trips over his own two feet.
The SpiderMan comparison actually works very well.


As for the Cloud/Sephiroth parallel: I always got the feeling that Square tried to foil them in some ways. Namely, when thinking of Sephiroth's feelings toward others (especially the line about his childhood) it sort of mirrored Cloud's feelings of superiority to the Nibelheim kids. Of course, it was entirely different situations, but I always thought it was a bit of a parallel.

and of course, there are the obvious opposites to them: Sephiroth being the most successful in his field, Cloud never having success; Sephiroth constantly falling from grand heights, Cloud always rising from low depths etc.

 

[Arianna]

Tennyo, you've done excellent with the banners! While I think one small change could be done, I prefer the one with the Cloudy-Wolf emblem. I took, will try to use and spread the word of this group and The Lifestream!

The talking Cloud-Wolf icon is great! I love it! It sort of reminds me of the doorknockers in the movie, Labyrinth. ;D I saved that one too; never know where one can use that...

 

[Makoeyes987]

Just so you aware, if it doesn't spoil you too much, the Dissidia Ultimania translations regarding the tie in to FFVII has been posted on the front page, which shows the various references and connections Dissidia has to the original FFVII. Interesting stuff regarding Cloud there as well.

Particularly a part regarding a certain "Honey Set" he can obtain in the game as well. XD

 

[Tetsujin]

[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=377.msg12869#msg12869 date=1233431291]
Oh yeah, the Cloudy-Wolf (o lawd how I hate that name lol)! Why did I not think of that? dur...

I'll go add that post haste.

And yes, I hope a full image of that pic of Cloud is released. Would be nice. If anything they could at the very least give us the rest of his hilt. XD

EDIT:

And speaking of the Cloud wolf I found this on Photobucket and found it amusing:

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The banners look awesome. Good work Tenny

 

[Max Payne]

CLOUD YOU CAN'T BE SEFIORS YOU LOZER

UR NOT AS GUD A FITAH OR STRONG EITHU YOUR BEATING SEIFIROS 3 TIMES WUZ A FLUKE

 

[Makoeyes987]

Where the hell did that come from Dacon? Have you been smoking the crack?

 

[Tennyo]

I think he has. o_O'

Anyway thanks everyone. I'm rather proud of my banners.

And thanks for the tip, Mako. I'll go check those out. A bit. If I decide it isn't too much of a spoiler.

 

[Cloudskye]

Wow. Nice job on the banners Tenn. I like them.

@ Mako: Yeah, I think he was. xD

 

[Tennyo]

Hypothetical question, because I'm sure it won't be done now that we have Angeal and Genesis, but what do you guys think about Cloud having a wing? The one he had in KH was so awesome. I like the fact that he had a demon wing as the good guy to offset bad guy Sephiroth's angel wing.

A part of me wishes Angeal and Genesis had not had wings just so that I could hope and dream for Cloud to have one as well, but it would probably be overkill now.

Or would it...?

 

[Masamune]

Why not? Every other bastard has a wing. :

 

[Makoeyes987]

Cloud having wings wouldn't make sense. At all. He's not a monster, or related to the Jenova Project.

Regarding Kingdom Hearts. Chaos Vincent Valentine is on the other line, he wants his wing back. Along with his cape and glove.

 

[Cloudskye]

[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=377.msg17587#msg17587 date=1234539881]
Hypothetical question, because I'm sure it won't be done now that we have Angeal and Genesis, but what do you guys think about Cloud having a wing? The one he had in KH was so awesome. I like the fact that he had a demon wing as the good guy to offset bad guy Sephiroth's angel wing.

A part of me wishes Angeal and Genesis had not had wings just so that I could hope and dream for Cloud to have one as well, but it would probably be overkill now.

Or would it...?
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Cloud having a wing? Besides what he had in KH? That would be sweet! Maybe it would be half demon and half angel.

 

[Makoeyes987]

But what would be the point...?

 

[Tennyo]

[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=377.msg17634#msg17634 date=1234552037]
Cloud having wings wouldn't make sense. At all. He's not a monster, or related to the Jenova Project.
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Yes but he was a part of the Sephiroth copy project and had pure S-cells in his body.

 

[Tetsujin]

That alone doesn't make you grow wings though.

 

[Masamune]

Try some Red Bull.

 

[Tennyo]

lmao Oh Masa I think you've hit the nail on the head! Seph, Genesis, and Angeal all drank Red Bull! Now we just need to give Cloud some. XD

@ Tet: It's still a foundation though, don't you think? It could work story wise, if just might be overkill to have another person with wings.

 

[Makoeyes987]

S-cells are merely Jenova cells. And the Sephiroth Copy Project is the same procedure done to create SOLDIERs, except preformed on civilians. All the members of SOLDIER didn't start gaining feathers or wings. Not at all.

Only those who are part of the Jenova Project have wings. Cloud gaining a wing would be absurd given the story, and link him to something that he's trying to distance himself from completely. He's not a "Jenova monster" he's a human. And that's what he likes.