The Final Fantasy VII LTD Thread (Round 4)

[The Twilight Mexican]

Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father.

 

[Strangelove]

D:

Be glad I can't warn you, motherfucker.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Citizen Kane- Rosebud was his sled.
Sixth Sense- He's dead.
Fight Club- The other guy isn't real.
OldSchool- It's secretly Fight Club.
The Bible- He dies. Then he comes back. Then he leaves. Then John of Patmos drops acid.
Good Omens- It's the end of the World, Charlie Brown.
The Hulk- Bruce gets angry.

I'm still amused this all spiraled out of a joke I made with an intentionally wrongly spelled name to poke fun at my typo.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

 

[Strangelove]

Nice. Classy.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Ooh, ooh, don't forget, Angela was Peter!

 

[Tennyo]

It always amuses me how people think that Neo being "The One" is a spoiler. That was kind of the point of the movie from the very beginning. Even when the Oracle said he wasn't you knew it was still somehow true that he was. :/

Anyway, I agree with that non-FFVII spoilers should be tagged. At the very least it's polite. Not all of us have played FFXIII yet.

 

[Max Payne]

Ooh, ooh, don't forget, Angela was Peter!

BUT WHO WAS PHONE

 

[Strangelove]

Because hoping people would take the the few extra seconds to write 'spoiler' is a such an unreasonable demand that it warrants snarky comebacks.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Because hoping people would take the the few extra seconds to write 'spoiler' is a such an unreasonable demand that it warrants snarky comebacks.

Spoiler

Spoiler: Yep.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

...can I buy that spoiler shirt somewhere?

 

[looneymoon]

I saw some girl wearing it once... so yes you can.

 

[Eerie]

@Ryu: you forgot that Keyser Söze doesn't exist.

As for Lighting's name:

Spoiler

Because I firmly believe that Lighting Eclair is a stupid name. Like that it sounds much better XD

 

[Ryushikaze]

@Ryu: you forgot that Keyser Söze doesn't exist.

As for Lighting's name:

Spoiler

Because I firmly believe that Lighting Eclair is a stupid name. Like that it sounds much better XD

But he did exist. He was just giving them a false name.

I love how the misspelling has continued. It are amuse.

 

[ForceStealer]

It's been almost a year since the game came out. Shouldn't we be past any statute of limitation concerns on spoilers given that this is a FF fan site?

Hell, I'd say six months should be the limit, but that's just me.

And, yeah, there was absolutely no impact from finding out her real name, and I say that as someone who found out without it being spoiled.

Tres, come on. Firstly, it has not been almost a year since the game came out. It's been 6 months (and 9 months from its Japanese release, and having a whole quarter year left doesn't make almost).

And secondly, you didn't even play the damn game

 

[OneWingedDemon]

And secondly, you didn't even play the damn game

It's on youtube

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Tres, come on. Firstly, it has not been almost a year since the game came out. It's been 6 months (and 9 months from its Japanese release, and having a whole quarter year left doesn't make almost).

And secondly, you didn't even play the damn game

Less than three months to go is almost a year to me. And what OWD said.

 

[ForceStealer]

But its still 6 months to just about all of the members here.

 

[Kobato]

The love triangle is more of a choice between the personal player, that's why game had that relationship point system, there's no canon, there's no 'Clouds true love '. There is only what the player prefers personally. Even in ACC you can still judge personality who you prefer Cloud to be with, whether you want Cloud to be with Tifa or Aerith is up to the player, the person and not what SquareEnix says to the fan. I think I'm a Clerith fan because I dislike how manipulative Tifa was in the original game, and didn't tell Cloud the truth about his past straight away, when he told his own version of the fraud past to the group. Also she doesn't seem to find Cloud attractive or search after him, until she finds out that he's a solider, before that, during childhood Tifa and Cloud were neighbors to each other, and Tifa didn't show much interest in Cloud.

But all of this is personal, and somebody else may think that Tifa wasn't manipulative to Cloud at all, and she didn't Cloud the truth about what happened in Nibelhiem because she's worried what would happen to him. I think that Cloti and Clerith's could fight and argue all day, and the battles would be pointless, because it would be just fighting about, who we prefer a fictional character to be with. Of course there's proof about Clerith, but there's also plenty of solid proof of Cloti. Tifa being Cloud's light in KH2 is a huge example. The love triangle is all just opinions, and what the player prefers to see and hear. Square was generous and clever back in the day, and instead of forcing a pairing down our throats, they gave us a choice.

 

[Homura Akemi]

I Find that Tifa fell in love with him the more she knew him nothing wrong with that

 

[Ryushikaze]

The love triangle is more of a choice between the personal player, that's why game had that relationship point system, there's no canon, there's no 'Clouds true love '. There is only what the player prefers personally. Even in ACC you can still judge personality who you prefer Cloud to be with, whether you want Cloud to be with Tifa or Aerith is up to the player, the person and not what SquareEnix says to the fan.

That's not how Canon works. You personal canon, your Fanon, is what you're describing. Canon is what happens in the works, the actual sequence of events as best we can tell.
As for the point value, that represents the values of each character to Cloud, not the other way around, and are described as such on a few occasions. It's basically how all dating sims and galges work. The interesting thing here is that they admit it's the other person's value towards Cloud.

I think I'm a Clerith fan because I dislike how manipulative Tifa was in the original game, and didn't tell Cloud the truth about his past straight away, when he told his own version of the fraud past to the group.

*sigh* Not this again. Cloud KNEW THINGS about the event that only people who were there could have known, because he was actually there. THAT is why Tifa didn't correct him until the Crater, she wasn't sure herself due to her head trauma and because HE KNEW. And if she corrected him, she wouldn't actually be correcting him. While as far as she knew, he was not there, he was. There's no manipulation here. Only doubt.

Also she doesn't seem to find Cloud attractive or search after him, until she finds out that he's a solider, before that, during childhood Tifa and Cloud were neighbors to each other, and Tifa didn't show much interest in Cloud.

Cloud was the neighborhood kid who got into fights with everyone and she still thought he was cute. They were 13.

But all of this is personal, and somebody else may think that Tifa wasn't manipulative to Cloud at all, and she didn't Cloud the truth about what happened in Nibelhiem because she's worried what would happen to him. I think that Cloti and Clerith's could fight and argue all day, and the battles would be pointless, because it would be just fighting about, who we prefer a fictional character to be with. Of course there's proof about Clerith, but there's also plenty of solid proof of Cloti. Tifa being Cloud's light in KH2 is a huge example.

The whole 'them confirming their feelings for each other' rather cements the idea better than the cosmology of an AU, actually, since 'your Light is your romance' is technically an assumption that does not universally hold true in KH.

The love triangle is all just opinions, and what the player prefers to see and hear. Square was generous and clever back in the day, and instead of forcing a pairing down our throats, they gave us a choice.

Killing off someone is not 'giving us a choice.' Historically, that's a very good way to remove the idea that there is a choice. When there's an ambivalent love triangle, and the story proceeds with killing one third of the triangle, have the other two expose their most private selves to each other- literally in Cloud's case- and confirm their feelings for each other, followed by moving in together and raising a family... there IS no choice. The pairing isn't 'forced', but not being forced isn't the same as not being there.

What SE did was very clever, I'll agree with that. But what they DID was make a mindgame full of red herrings and a mindscrew. You get led in one direction, only for the big reveal that 'everything you know was wrong,' and then another one down the road just when you thought you had it figured out. Some people sussed the reveals before they happened. Some people were surprised by it. Some people don't want to admit there was a reveal. Some people want to insist Cloud was Cloud and that's the end of that. Some people want to think Aerith deliberately sacrificed herself. Some people want to think she's coming back. What people want to think and what is actually there are two different things entirely.

 

[Zee]

I was at the edge of my seat waiting for this reply

 

[Madame Mayor]

there's proof about Clerith

This is the part where we ask if you could provide this proof.

 

[Vendel]

This is the part where we ask if you could provide this proof.

Last time I asked a Clerith that they linked me to the C/A forum. Specifically the "100 reasons for Clerith" thread.

This of course trumped my Ultimania quotes quite thoroughly........ Right?


And honestly my first thought was "troll" when I saw Yoshi. But I can't even tell anymore.

 

[Splintered]

an. I think I'm a Clerith fan because I dislike how manipulative Tifa was in the original game, and didn't tell Cloud the truth about his past straight away, when he told his own version of the fraud past to the group.

One of the reasons why I stay in the LTD is because the massive potential for character assasination on the way to judge who is better for Cloud.

Tifa's "manipulation" wasn't really manipulation, it was her being cautious. She never forced him to do, made him think, or change his personality any which way. Every time she motivated him, she did it by asking (or calling upon a childhood memory- which they both held close to their hearts), or interacting meaningfully. But something was wrong and she herself was seriously confused because Cloud was presenting knowledge he shouldn't have. Even if she said, "Hey, everything you think are lies", what really would have happened? Because she still can't account for how he knows about their town.

Also she doesn't seem to find Cloud attractive or search after him, until she finds out that he's a solider, before that, during childhood Tifa and Cloud were neighbors to each other, and Tifa didn't show much interest in Cloud.

She starts liking Cloud as soon as they had meaningful interaction. I highly doubt it was because he said he was going to be SOLDIER, all things considered she met SOLDIERs and didn't really give a crap about that. She started liking him because they connected that night.

Also, him being in SOLDIER would have made things worse. She hates SOLDIER, Shinra, and everything to do with it to the point she became an eco terrorist.