The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Dashell]

I think you spend too much time at the pink forum. I'm a member and I don't have time to read 55 page topics.

I find it more amusing that 542542 and other similar outlets were bombarded with FFVII questions last night

 

[Frostwave]

I like how when any Clerith who isn't as "seasoned" as the admins and "Cetra" members asks a question and doesn't seem sure of some Clerii truth or other, that a certain "Senior' Clerith(insert snide implication with plausible deniability here)will jump on the thread like it's on fire, and quash the seeds of doubt from their minds.

I wish I could see the look on her face. Must be pretty funny.

 

[A]

Page 666. Now we should be expecting something bad to happen in 3... 2... 1...

I like how when any Clerith who isn't as "seasoned" as the admins and "Cetra" members asks a question and doesn't seem sure of some Clerii truth or other, that Anastar(or one of the other Senior Cleriths)will jump on the thread like it's on fire, and quash the seeds of doubt from their minds.

'To be a Cetra, you must present yourself with elegance and grace, and promote the love that is Cloud and Aerith.'

And hate anything Tifa touches.





And I would be skewering my brain if I was reading through fifty five pages of fangirls denying the real facts.

 

[Vendel]

I wish I could see the look on her face. Must be pretty funny.

 

[Dashell]

hahaha okay that made me laugh. WTF Is that?

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

And hate anything Tifa touches.

Because Tifa is a slut... That filthy broad...

Oh no! She takes advantage of Cloud's mako poisoning to touch him in Medeel; then she takes advantage of Aerith's death to touch her dead body... Hell, she even takes advantage of Bahamut's attack to touch Cloud and Aerith's spirit-child, Denzel...

... Oops.

I foresee a rough time for Tifa Lockhart in the Lifestream. IF she doesn't get kicked out of it when she dies, for being a slut.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Less naming of names, more snide implications with plausible deniability.

Yes, Tifa in KH2 threw a giant wrench in the pink works of the C/A paradigm. Just like Zack's whitespace in ACC (but somehow not his appearance in AC) did.

 

[Splintered]

Eh, KHII drove the pairing fans crazy, it's kind of funny. Because by KHI, I was sure that they were hinting at CxA and that Aerith was his light. I wasn't particularly bothered because it was an AU and I always felt there was potential for CxA, it just never came to light because she died.

But KHII pretty much destroyed that. Then at the same time, I read Nomura's explanation of Tifa

In Nojima-san's scenario, it explained Cloud and Tifa's connection more in-depth but I deleted it away. I thought it would be more interesting to let the gamers think about it. For example, "If Cloud's darkness is Sephiroth, then Tifa is light"; in that sense you can take it that Tifa isn't really human. The reason Tifa doesn't talk to anyone else besides Sora and co. may be because she doesn't exist as a human. Of course, I also presented her in a way that she could also be a resident of Hollow Bastion, so I think you can feely think for yourself about her.

If you interpret it that way, Aerith and Tifa's roles kinda switched. Tifa may not completely be there in this realm of existence and she plays more of a role of a spiritual guide with a strong connection to Cloud, while Aerith is a whole person where Cloud can go to "when he's finished" or whatever.

My first thought was, "Holy shit, did Nomura just troll the pairing fans?"

I could be wrong, but I think my explanation has a lot more ironic amusement.

 

[I Am Not Me]

If you interpret it that way, Aerith and Tifa's roles kinda switched. Tifa may not completely be there in this realm of existence and she plays more of a role of a spiritual guide with a strong connection to Cloud, while Aerith is a whole person where Cloud can go to "when he's finished" or whatever.

It can come out that way. I thought of that before, because that's really what it looks like on the outside.

But adding the Sephiroth's lines about Cloud running away from the light of the present, and Aerith saying she's going to be just be there to cheer him on--it's still pretty parallel to the FFVII universe. It's like even being an actual human, all Aerith can do is watch from the sidelines and cheer for him, just like how she is as dead in AC/C.

So even if in a sense that Tifa becomes the spirit and Aerith becomes the whole human, Tifa will still be the one that has what Cloud needs, sex light. And Tifa makes it a point to actually chase him to give it to him, and fight alongside him. It's something Aerith can't do, even as a human.

My first thought was, "Holy shit, did Nomura just troll the pairing fans?"

Nomura always trolls the pairing fans. Particularly the Clerith side. Nojima did it with Case of Tifa too.

WTF

 

[Ryushikaze]

Eh, KHII drove the pairing fans crazy, it's kind of funny. Because by KHI, I was sure that they were hinting at CxA and that Aerith was his light. I wasn't particularly bothered because it was an AU and I always felt there was potential for CxA, it just never came to light because she died.

But KHII pretty much destroyed that. Then at the same time, I read Nomura's explanation of Tifa

If you interpret it that way, Aerith and Tifa's roles kinda switched. Tifa may not completely be there in this realm of existence and she plays more of a role of a spiritual guide with a strong connection to Cloud, while Aerith is a whole person where Cloud can go to "when he's finished" or whatever.

No, she's in the realm of existence, she just might not be human. She EXISTS, physically, as per various scenes in Hollow Bastion, the question of her humanity is just in question. In either case, she's all light no dark.

My first thought was, "Holy shit, did Nomura just troll the pairing fans?"

Nomura's been trolling everyone for years.

It can come out that way. I thought of that before, because that's really what it looks like on the outside.

But adding the Sephiroth's lines about Cloud running away from the light of the present, and Aerith saying she's going to be just be there to cheer him on--it's still pretty parallel to the FFVII universe. It's like even being an actual human, all Aerith can do is watch from the sidelines and cheer for him, just like how she is as dead in AC/C.

So even if in a sense that Tifa becomes the spirit and Aerith becomes the whole human, Tifa will still be the one that has what Cloud needs, sex light. And Tifa makes it a point to actually chase him to give it to him, and fight alongside him. It's something Aerith can't do, even as a human.

In short- Tifa make Cloud better because he's got this connection to her.

Nomura always trolls the pairing fans. Particularly the Clerith side. Nojima did it with Case of Tifa too.

WTF

I'm just waiting for the pairing trolling in the rest of the novellas. The way he'll get it into ShinRa will be a site to see, I'll bet.

 

[Dashell]

Less naming of names, more snide implications with plausible deniability.

Thanks.

Nojima did it with Case of Tifa too.

Throwing koibito in there was just... well...
Nomura and Nojima = best trolls ever.

 

[Dawnbreaker]

Am I the only one who that whole light-darkness stuff went over the head of? oO

That said Tifa was with Cloud during his confrontation with Sephiroth in KHII so I'm guesing that got to count for something.

 

[Dashell]

Nope, she just got in the way and annoyed him


here's a thought
Basically in KH2 they did what the WANTED to do with Cloud in KH1. What if Tifa was in KH1... what do you think Cloud's journal would have been like in two?

 

[muchmoxie]

Am I the only one who that whole light-darkness stuff went over the head of? oO

LMFAO, it went over my head too. When the light went to Aerith, and that was it, I was like "What happened? I don't really get it..."

But I'm not what you'd call a "talented individual", so.

 

[Dashell]

Speaking of being confused, and Kingdom Hearts, a few pages ago I said that Tifa wasn't planned for KH2 originally, and a bunch of you said she was and, in fact, was planned for KH1. Well now I finally found out where I found that quote that said she wasn't:

http://www.kh2.co.uk/?page=NI/KH2U

And Tifa from FFVII showed up.
In fact, back when we were working on KH:FM, some of the staff members wanted to have Tifa show up. They said "Battling with Tifa would be fun, in a melee sense" and originally wanted to add both Sephiroth and Tifa (into KH:FM) but due to tight schedules, we could only go with one character so we inserted Sephiroth into KH:FM. Because of that, we decided to let Tifa show up in this game. When we were recording the voices for KHII, coincidentally they were also doing the recording for FFVII:AC so somehow we end up doing "Today we record FFVII:AC, tomorrow KHII"... (laugh) The voices were recorded in the same flow so I'm glad about that.

That just says KH FM, NOT the original KH which was what I thought you guys meant. I probably misunderstood but just battling her wasn't what I thought you meant... I assumed you meant she was supposed to do what she did in KH2.

http://tifa.nu/tifa/compilation/compilation.php?z=loveau

Nojima: Tifa wasn't planned to appear at first. I was talking with Tetsu about what Cloud could be doing in Hallow Bastion, and we eventually moved towards him chasing after Sephiroth, but also being chased by something himself. So Cloud's really running from something but goes around pretending, saying that he's chasing Sephiroth. Then we decided to make it him running from the "something warm" like what Tifa was after in AC.

Uhm... which is it?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Speaking of being confused, and Kingdom Hearts, a few pages ago I said that Tifa wasn't planned for KH2 originally, and a bunch of you said she was and, in fact, was planned for KH1. Well now I finally found out where I found that quote that said she wasn't:

http://www.kh2.co.uk/?page=NI/KH2U

That just says KH FM, NOT the original KH which was what I thought you guys meant. I probably misunderstood but just battling her wasn't what I thought you meant... I assumed you meant she was supposed to do what she did in KH2.

http://tifa.nu/tifa/compilation/compilation.php?z=loveau

Uhm... which is it?

Both. And when we say 'original KH' we do include KH:FM, same as we include International versions of stuff like FF7 and 10.
Anyways, it's both because they wanted her in KH, like Sephy, but didn't get the chance in the first round, like the WEAPON bosses in 7. So they wanted to add them in to KH-U/FM, but ran out of time, so only put in Sephy.
In KH:2, they didn't think to bring her in initially, but she flowed logically out of the scenario Cloud was in.

 

[Splintered]

Speaking of being confused, and Kingdom Hearts, a few pages ago I said that Tifa wasn't planned for KH2 originally, and a bunch of you said she was and, in fact, was planned for KH1. Well now I finally found out where I found that quote that said she wasn't:

http://www.kh2.co.uk/?page=NI/KH2U


That just says KH FM, NOT the original KH which was what I thought you guys meant. I probably misunderstood but just battling her wasn't what I thought you meant... I assumed you meant she was supposed to do what she did in KH2.

http://tifa.nu/tifa/compilation/compilation.php?z=loveau


Uhm... which is it?

Multistage planning? They wanted Tifa in it, but they didn't know what she would do, or just threw her name out as a suggestion but they didn't have enough time to put down some ideas. KHII came around, and by then AC was finished and they had a differently developed Tifa and as Ryushikaze said, her character and role in AC reflected the Cloud of KH so they added her in.

I dunno, story development probably isn't linear.

 

[Dashell]

okay... I got it, thanks.

I for some reason thought I was being told that her role in KH1 was going to be what she did in KH2.

And when we say 'original KH' we do include KH:FM

I usually differentiate between the two myself.

NExt topic:
This Cajun Alfredo is great isn't it?
Oh yeah.. that's right, you guys don't have any, nya nya

 

[Madame Mayor]

KHII came around, and by then AC was finished

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the AC and KHII vocals were being recorded at the same time. I recall a quote along the lines of, "One day it would be AC, and the next it would be KHII."

I also remember quotes saying that what happens in AC and what's going on between Cloud and Tifa in KH is meant to reflect each other, hence the costume change for Cloud at least.

Man, I'm either really tired or getting lazy on my FFVII random quote remembering skillz.

 

[NoenGaruth]

NExt topic:
This Cajun Alfredo is great isn't it?
Oh yeah.. that's right, you guys don't have any, nya nya

Goddammit Quexy gimme that Alfredo!

 

[Dashell]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the AC and KHII vocals were being recorded at the same time. I recall a quote along the lines of, "One day it would be AC, and the next it would be KHII."

I just posted that quote on the last page.

Goddammit Quexy gimme that Alfredo!

 

[Frostwave]

This Cajun Alfredo is great isn't it?

Bah. Girl, I can have real Cajun food whenever I want.

But, it doesn't sound bad tho.

Oh yeah, on topic, on topic.

Uhh...so... nope. Got nuthin'. *shrugs* Sorry.

 

[Dashell]

Oh yeah, on topic, on topic.

Uhh...so... nope. Got nuthin'. *shrugs* Sorry.

This topic hasn't been on topic for at least 500 pages.

Just cause I'm thinking about it, I once asked a Clerith (not gonna say who) about that 3 different versions of the HW thing. They said there's the low and high affection, and the high affection one has two outcomes. Tifa will either board the Highwind and go into the corner and sorta fall over if her affection with Cloud is high, or she'll go over to the corner and tap her foot. So because the high affection version can end two ways, some Cleriths consider those two plus the low affection one three versions.

So ... just wanted to point that out

 

[Ⓐaron]

Have any of them ever supplied any proof that this alleged low affection version none of us have ever been able to duplicate exists anywhere other than in their heads?

 

[Dashell]

Wait excluding the outcome of the high affection version... I thought there all ready was two versions.